BukiRob
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Great explanation. I also believe that I have ancestors who were either from Ephraim or but more likely Ashkenazi Jewish (genetically.) My Surname in Yiddish is defined as: Trumpeter of the Shofar. That said even if it be true, since my ancestor's did not keep their identity and mingled with gentiles we became gentile. IOW I could not make Aliyah.
The concept of Noachide Law is in deep error IMO. It is deeply problematic when you look at scripture on two very easy points to show that without question the concept of a Noachide law is false. First and foremost there is clear biblical evidence of the sacrificial system in place during the Noach era. It is spoken in detail to the events leading up to Cain's murder of Able. Noachide law precludes the sacrificial system
Second Noah knew what animals were clean and which were unclean. What earthly purpose could this have served? Clearly, it had to be related to the sacrificial system. It is only after the flood that G-d defines certain animals now as food. Again Noachide law does not mandate or even suggest the concept of clean and unclean. I say that correctly since we find that G-d speaking of Abraham declares "because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws." (Gen 26:5) Noachide law is simple holding to only 7 elements such a detailed description of Abraham's relationship with G-d would be out of place with Noachide law. Adonai goes into detail that it wasn't just keeping a few commandments. It illustrates a DEEP relationship of obedience going WELL beyond not committing murder, adultery, Idolatry, theft, eating the limb of an animal or cursing or being unjust.
I think its important to notice what is actually said and what is NOT said. What G-d did not say was "obeyed my voice" but rather spoke in detail that Abraham kept G-d's charge.
I would submit that we gain some illumination by another passage in Zechariah Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.
Walking in HIS ways....Keeping HIS commandments, His Statues and Laws...
How can this be anything other than the Torah passed from Adam to Noah to Shem, to Abraham to Issac to Jacob(Israel) then forgotten in Egypt....
In Malachi G-d declares that he doesn't change. Hebrews were told that G-d was the same yesterday, today and forever. If this is true (and it is!) then Torah has always existed. We see it as the Tree of Life in the garden. Every Jew and every Messianic believer knows that when the Torah is put back in the Ark what is said??
Her ways are pleasant ways And all her paths are peace. She is a tree of life to those who take hold of her, And happy are all who hold her fast.
Proverbs tells us that Creation itself was done through Torah. We see this in Proverbs 8
When I see all of this and I examine what is going on in Genesis with the sacrificial system in place and Noah knowing the difference between clean and unclean and then later Adonai speaking about how Abraham not only knew but KEPT Adonai's charge, statues, decree's and commandments it is to me, inescapable that Abraham was given the Torah and that it was subsequently lost to the children of Israel in their captivity in Egypt. To argue otherwise is to indeed suggest that G-d does change and that he has changed when scriptures in both the Hebrew scriptures and the Brit Chadasha.
To be sure my position is built on inference but it it is consistent with the concept of G-d being the same (consistent) and with other clues that we see that tell us elements of Torah are UNMISTAKABLY in existence.
I realize what I am saying is not at all mainstream thinking but to suggest its the noachide law to me is simply preposterous when there are elements clearly there in scripture that show it cant be Noachide Law
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