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Ever the Expert

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by Jet Black, Nov 13, 2004.

  1. Aron-Ra

    Aron-Ra Senior Veteran

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    All books were written by man, including every last chapter of your Bible. The Qur'an, the Vedas and the Gita, the Avesta, the Shaster, the Book of Mormon, and the sacred writings of the Bab and Bahá'u'lláh all claim to be written by God. In fact, of all the world's religions, the only ones I know with sacred scriptures not supposedly written by God are the Tao te Ching and the Guru Granth Sahib of the Sikhs. Otherwise, all the world's holy scriptures were either said to have been written by God or by men who were "moved by" God.

    And your prophesies utterly failed my test, remember? Or do you know of some time in which there was niether man nor beast in the whole of Egypt for forty years?
    If that were true, then I would have read that God were the benevolent, loving supreme intelligence I was lead to believe he would be.
    I would be only too happy to. But before I waste my time, (again) will any of it make any difference to you? If I could show you that Moses himself supported, condoned or encouraged abortion, murder, abuse, enslavement, sexual molestation or even cannibalization of children, would you care? Would you be willing to change your mind in that case? And would you state that up front, right now?
    I guess it wouldn't make any difference then, would it? You wouldn't change your mind no matter what the truth turned out to be.
    What it does instead is to present the horrible as if it were wonderful. I understand perfectly. In order for priests to secure power, influence, and following, and thus avoid working for a living, then they have to prey on the emotions of the laity, and evoke fear in any who might not believe.
    How can you be absolutely wrong about absolutely everything 100% of the time for such a long time, and still think you have the absolute truth?

    I do not "believe in" evolution any more than I "believe in" heliocentrity, geosphericity, gravity, or atomic theory. I simply accept what the facts seem to indicate, and will change my mind the moment they indicate something else instead. Because evolution isn't 100% true, and I know that already. But neither is it 100% false. Some of it is at least 90% true.
    Yes I question it, and some of it could be wrong. When have men ever been 100% right about anything? However, much of evolution is known to true for certain, and is demonstrable as fact. So it can't all be wrong.
    Thank you for that insight into your terrified mind. Uncertainty may scare you, but not me. And I know that pretending something is true doesn't really make it true. My mind doesn't work your way. I revell in the unknown, because without it discovery is impossible. And you can't even begin to seek the truth if you can't admit that you don't already know it.
    OK. Most people say that Captain Blackbeard was born with the name, Edward Teach. But it is a fact that he signed his own documents with different names, and with different spellings of that name. And there are those who hold that was born with another identity entirely. Which is true?

    Here's another example. When I was a boy, my history books taught how the American Revolutionary war hero, Nathan Hale bravely proclaimed his famous motto as he stepped up to the gallows; "I regret that I have but one life to give for my country". This I was taught in school as fact. Then I grew up and found out that the British executioners recorded his last words directly. In their version, he was pleading for his life on the excuse that he was only following orders. Which do you believe? And why?

    Like many other millions of kids, I was taught that Columbus proved that the world was round. Many people still believe this as indicated by the quote from Men in Black; "500 years ago, everybody knew the world was flat." When I still believed this myself, I said as much to other people. Was I lying if I thought I was passing on truth?

    Ever see Kevin Costner in JFK? Watch that and you'll understand what I mean.
    If I tell someone something that I believe is true, but it turns out not to be, then I have not lied. Its only a lie when you knew it was wrong before you said it. That's why I say Kent Hovind is a liar.
    I like to veer North by Northwest into a counterclockwise circle along a 6% upgrade. But sometimes when I drive, I'm sitting in front of the computer not really going anywhere. But even if I did only drive in one direction at a time, you still wouldn't have a point to make here.
    You worship a storybook with talking animals, magic spells, and wishes making mountains move, all starring a giant invisible ghost you just gotta believe in or he won't exist. But I'm not in the real world because I only believe what can withstand the tests of science and logic?! I think its time for your thorazine now, Billy.
    Wrong again, as always. I was a Taoist until just a few years ago, and I was very happy as one. I hated having to realize that I am no Jedi knight; when I die, I'll be naught but a couple hundred pounds of ape meat who wasted over half his life believing in nonsense. That's not a pretty thing to have to deal with, and it sure ain't something you would wish for. Material atheism is a resignation, not a resolve. If I could just believe whatever I want, I sure wouldn't believe what I do!
    Yes, somehow I still believe in Kharma, even though it is a hindu concept, and a bit odd that you would bring it up.
    That's your dementia talking. Its very frightening to me that people can think the way you do, and still be allowed to operate a motor vehicle.
    All the best lies are 90% truth. Don't you know that? You yourself just cited a truth of the Hindu religion. Does that make Hindu 100% truth? And what about the story of Nathan Hale? Just because he didn't say what they say he said, does that mean that Hale wasn't really a war hero? that he wasn't really captured? Or that he wasn't really Nathan Hale? How can these three things be true if the fourth thing isn't?...according to you anyway. I don't have a problem with things like that.
     
  2. Aron-Ra

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    I would be happy to. But bare in mind that I'll be back in school soon, and won't a lot of time anymore myself.

    And my common ancestry questions shouldn't take you more than two minutes per day to answer. So please do.
     
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    My irony meter is going through the roof.
     
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    Alchemist Seeking in Orthodoxy

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    Mine too. I'd even laugh if I wasn't convinced that the poster believed every word they said.. :sigh:
     
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    I understand and I am sure this will be difficult for us both.

    SEE common ancestry thread. :)
     
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    Bump?
     
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    I am coming back to this in the near future and wanted it in easy reach. :)
     
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