No, what is sad is that your statement here is a flat out lie. Maybe you should actually read my posts before posting such nonsense.
It's not a lie that your theology (Free Grace Theology) doesn't believe that repentance for salvation involves turning from sin. This is heresy.
Neither of you appears to know anything about God's matchless grace. Seems your ilk gag on grace rather than understand it. Since you brought up gagging.
The matchless grace that you describe is a license where sinners can come to Jesus in love with their sin, allegedly be saved, and then optionally commit all the future sins they please because it's covered under grace. This is more heresy.
btw, you forgot to mention the severe discipline that goes along with the kind of life that you described. It's not just about loss of rewards. It's about God's discipline, which the Bible teaches as being severe. Not that anyone can see into the head of one such child of God being disciplined. So don't even try. It's none-ya business. Just know that no child of God gets away with habitual, continual sin. Paul told the extremely carnal Corinthian church the reason there was so much weakness, sickness and even death in that church.
This is further incriminating evidence of your theology where believers can gag on sin and end in heaven. They don't have to turn from their sin to be saved so why turn from it afterwards?
God promises His children (saved people) eternal security. Anyone is free to believe the deceptions of the world and/or the devil. But God's Word is truth. And the truth is that anyone who has trusted in Jesus Christ for salvation HAS eternal life, (Jn 5:24) and since eternal life is a gift of God (Rom 6:23) and God's gifts are irrevocable (Rom 11:29), every believer has in irrevocable gift. That is eternal security.
Yes, anyone who has trusted (past tense) and believes in the present has (in the present) everlasting life. That is conditional security. Let's unpack this verse and allow context and grammar and the Spirit of God, liberty.
Please consider the words of Jesus:
"24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears [present tense participle] my word and believes [present tense participle] him who sent me has [present tense; right now] eternal life. He does not come into judgment [present tense; right now], but has passed [perfect tense; from the past to present] from death to life." (ESV). John 5:24
Many are quick to emphasize the promise of "eternal life" in this verse. They may assert that "eternal life" cannot be lost because it lasts forever. While "eternal life" does last forever, it shouldn't be confused with possession of the state of "eternal life". Two illustrations may be helpful.
Suppose a man is gifted a $100 dollar bill; it's his and worth $100. If the bill is lost, he no longer has possession of it —the bill is still worth $100.00. It would be illogical to conclude he cannot lose it because the bill will always be worth $100.
Many employers offer life insurance to their employees while they remain with the company. It would be unreasonable for former employees to conclude that their life insurance will always remain in effect, even after leaving the company because it's called "life insurance".
In John 5:24, possession of eternal life is true ("has") while a person "hears" Christ's Word and "believes" in Him ("him who sent me"). To overlook these semantic qualifiers based on established rules of grammar is to reject God's inspired Word. A correct grammatical interpretation of Scripture is necessary for a correct doctrinal understanding. The Bible should define one's theological framework —not one's theology, the Bible.
The Apostle John, with great precision, grammatically constructed the words of Jesus as arranged in this verse. According to the book Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics (521-522; 1996), the two conditional participles used ("hears"; "believes"), best fall within the "customary (habitual or general) present" category . Wallace places the participle "believes" of John 3:16 inside this category (522). This category is defined by Wallace as, "the customary present is used to signal either an action that regularly occurs or an ongoing state" (page 521).
Please consider how Young's Literal Translation emphasizes the necessity to remain in ongoing belief:
Verily, verily, I say to you—He who is hearing my word, and is believing Him who sent me, hath life age-during, and to judgment he doth not come, but hath passed out of the death to the life. (John 5:24)
In the book, Life in the Son, Shank wrote the following:
Contrary to the assumption of many, John 5:24 does not present a privileged position, which, once attained, is forever irrevocable. Quite to the contrary, our Savior's Words depict a privileged position directly governed by the specific condition of habitually hearing and believing. Jesus declares that the happy circumstance of deliverance from present condemnation and of standing passed out of death into life is the privilege only of such as habitually hear His Word and believe the Father. It is only on the basis of a present hearing and believing that one shares the eternal life of God and enjoys deliverance from present condemnation and spiritual death. (Page 61; 1989).
A comparable passage to John 5:24 is probably John 10:27-29. This passage is used regularly to emphasize the doctrine known as "eternal security". While it's true that this passage provides security, it's also true that this security is conditional on perseverance. The "sheep" must "hear" and "follow" the Shepherd for eternal life.
27 My sheep hear [present tense] my voice, and I know [present tense] them, and they follow [present tense] me. 28 I give them [the group in verse 27 that is persevering in the present] eternal life, and they [the group in verse 27 that is persevering in the present] will never perish, and no one will snatch them [the group in verse 27 that is persevering in the present] out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them [the group in verse 27 that is persevering in the present] to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them [the group in verse 27 that is persevering in the present] out of the Father’s hand. (John 10:27-29)
Conclusion:
A grammatical examination of John 5:24 indicates that Jesus requires perseverance ("hears" and "believes") to be saved. This conclusion is not an abstract theological deduction. All credible English translations grammatically affirm the necessity to persevere in the faith for John 5:24. The requirement to persevere is found in other passages of Scripture — especially within John's Gospel.
You wrote, "But God's Word is truth. And the truth is that anyone who has trusted in Jesus Christ for salvation HAS eternal life, (Jn 5:24) and since eternal life is a gift of God (Rom 6:23) and God's gifts are irrevocable (Rom 11:29), every believer has in irrevocable gift. That is eternal security." ---end of your quote---
The Bible is true, but is doesn't state that all who have trusted (past tense) have (present tense) everlasting life. One must stay in the faith by continuing to believe.
You provided Romans 6:23. Yes, the gift of God is eternal life. God is sovereign and is allowed to define "gift" as He pleases. After all, the Bible is God's Word, not man's word.
Earlier in chapter 6, Paul wrote to believers, "Do you not know that if you [believers] present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death [spiritual] or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?" The death here is spiritual death. Paul similarly writes to Christians in verse 23, "For the wages of sin is death [spiritual], but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Based on your theology, believers can live (optionally) the "wages of sin" and not experience spiritual death.
Finally, you provided Romans 11:29 where Paul in the context is writing about the nation of Israel. The Bible only has meaning in context; it's wrong to steal a passage from one context and artificially implant it into another context. This behavior is common with cults. The Bible becomes a Home Depot to build any heresy one wants when the context and grammar are replaced for the preservation of a theology.
Only those who either hate or just terribly misunderstand God's grace will reject this truth. To reject eternal security is to reject God's promise. btw, JF: if Jesus is really first, as your handle says, why do you reject His words?
The book of Jude warns against false teachers who misuse the grace of God as a license to sin.
In Christ!
