Education

[Mallon]

It has been asserted before that, in general, creationists tend to be less well educated in the sciences than "evolutionists". Creationists like to refute this claim by pointing to those relatively few degree-holding scholars that lead the ranks of AiG, ICR, DI, etc. Some even accuse scientists of not knowing what science is (a recent post by dad comes to mind). I thought it might be interesting to see what a local poll says about the matter. As Christians, let's all be honest.

 

[vossler]

What Poll???

 

[Mallon]

What Poll???

The one above.

 

[Mallon]

Apologies to those of you who were homeschool or are in the middle of completing a degree. The options are limited.

 

[chaoschristian]

I sure hope you count Sociology as science. With post-grad degree work in Org Dev.

 

[Battie]

Clarification for my vote (TE - college/university degree in science):

I'm one year away from my degree, and it's in Computer Science. I hope that counts both ways.

 

[random_guy]

Clarification for my vote (TE - college/university degree in science):

I'm one year away from my degree, and it's in Computer Science. I hope that counts both ways.

Off topic, but congratulations or condolences, depending on how you look at it. I graduated with a CS degree about 2 years ago and ended up hating programming. I hope you have much more enjoyment. Personally, I blame it all on video games. It made me want to be a CS major (as 99% of all incoming CS students want to be game programmers, no joke), and now I hate them. I'm going back for more school in hopes of getting a Ph.D. in Bioengineering.

 

[Melethiel]

I don't know what to put - I'm two years away from my BM. It's in Music, but I'm also Premed, so have to take a boatload of sciences.

 

[Battie]

Off topic, but congratulations or condolences, depending on how you look at it. I graduated with a CS degree about 2 years ago and ended up hating programming. I hope you have much more enjoyment. Personally, I blame it all on video games. It made me want to be a CS major (as 99% of all incoming CS students want to be game programmers, no joke), and now I hate them. I'm going back for more school in hopes of getting a Ph.D. in Bioengineering.

I don't like programming much either, but it's a useful skill and CS gives me a good background for IT work, which is what I really like to do with computers. Plus, I'm overloading on art classes, so I also have that path to follow. Something will work out.

Bioengineering sounds pretty awesome, though.

 

[tel0004]

I answered Creationist, College degree in Non science. Im still in college, so I dont have a degree, but I'm more than half way done. I dont think programming should count as a science for this poll. I think to make it more clear, we should include natural sciences, but not include social sciences.

 

[random_guy]

I answered Creationist, College degree in Non science. Im still in college, so I dont have a degree, but I'm more than half way done. I dont think programming should count as a science for this poll. I think to make it more clear, we should include natural sciences, but not include social sciences.

I guess it depends on the kind of programming. I took mostly theory courses in college (Machine Learning, AI, Computational Theory, etc...) which I consider to be more science. Networking, databases, OS could count as science, too, it focuses on the theory. I think there should be a distinction between software engineering (which I don't consider to be a science degree) and computer science (which I do consider to be a science degree).

 

[Willtor]

Ah, CC! If I could do it all over again, I'd do Sociology (of ancient societies). That's not to say I don't like Computer Science. I've got a powerful like for it. But I've really been enjoying exploration of ancient mindsets and paradigms of thought.

I'll post pix in the CC Krazy Kafe of my graduation (MS in CS) as soon as people send me pictures.

 

[steen]

Baqckground in Agriculture and agricultural economics BS. Natural resources management MS. Pre med, medical school, medical residency. A ton of science

Plus, I read everything I could get my hands on about biology ever since I learned how to read.

 

[jon914]

It has been asserted before that, in general, creationists tend to be less well educated in the sciences than "evolutionists". Creationists like to refute this claim by pointing to those relatively few degree-holding scholars that lead the ranks of AiG, ICR, DI, etc. Some even accuse scientists of not knowing what science is (a recent post by dad comes to mind). I thought it might be interesting to see what a local poll says about the matter. As Christians, let's all be honest.

My girl friend daughter comes home from Fl. state and she knew everything. We would have small fights over ceation and such. She said that her professor said........!
So her professor said that the fact is evolution, but he can not prove it. So his degee is useless if he is a lier or does not speak with understanding.

So allow me to ask this question. If you have many teacher, who teach a lie does that make them intelligent.....? Does a PHD or a Doctor degee give them understanding.

If I remember John and Peter were fishermen and the rest did not have a degee. Maybe Paul did, but had to go for 3 more years in the desert for practical training.

So what is a degee? Not much unless it tells me how hot or cold it is.
I have a PHD (post hole digger) does that count.

John914

 

[Dannager]

My girl friend daughter comes home from Fl. state and she knew everything. We would have small fights over ceation and such. She said that her professor said........!
So her professor said that the fact is evolution, but he can not prove it. So his degee is useless if he is a lier or does not speak with understanding.

So allow me to ask this question. If you have many teacher, who teach a lie does that make them intelligent.....? Does a PHD or a Doctor degee give them understanding.

If I remember John and Peter were fishermen and the rest did not have a degee. Maybe Paul did, but had to go for 3 more years in the desert for practical training.

So what is a degee? Not much unless it tells me how hot or cold it is.
I have a PHD (post hole digger) does that count.

John914

Simply making an observation here, but that sounds like something someone would say if they don't have a degree but want to downplay the importance of having one so that the weight of their opinion doesn't suffer dramatically. A degree reflects familiarity with and commitment to a given field and can be used to determine both one's proficiency with the details of said field and their ability to provide insight on relevant issues.

 

[Melethiel]

My girl friend daughter comes home from Fl. state

Booo, FSU...UF pwns them.

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

I answered Creationist, College degree in Non science. Im still in college, so I dont have a degree, but I'm more than half way done. I dont think programming should count as a science for this poll. I think to make it more clear, we should include natural sciences, but not include social sciences.

Computer Science like math is ... I'm not sure what it is , but it generally isn't science, though as noted one can get quite theoretical.

I tend to agree that for the purposes of this poll we should probably be speaking of the natural sciences, but then again ... I dunno.

In any case, do everybody remember that these CF polls are sometimes interesting but always highly unscientific.

 

[Willtor]

Computer Science like math is ... I'm not sure what it is , but it generally isn't science, though as noted one can get quite theoretical.

I tend to agree that for the purposes of this poll we should probably be speaking of the natural sciences, but then again ... I dunno.

In any case, do everybody remember that these CF polls are sometimes interesting but always highly unscientific.

Computer Science is science, loosely speaking. The question is whether Mallon wanted "science" to refer exclusively to the Physics, Chemistry, Biology, and related sciences. In CS, we have peer-reviewed journals, and when we publish our experiments have to be reproducible. Some of the fields extend into math so there are proofs involved, so some may say it only borders on what can be termed, "science," but I'd consider it a science.

 

[chaoschristian]

Does a PHD or a Doctor degee give them understanding.

Having been the Academic Program Director for a Doctoral degree program at a major research university I can answer, yes, a PhD does provide one with understanding, with a high degree of certainty. Science based PhDs are not trivial. Those who treat them as trivial do not earn the degree.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

If I remember John and Peter were fishermen and the rest did not have a degee. Maybe Paul did, but had to go for 3 more years in the desert for practical training.


figuring the rise of modern universities is 1500 years in their future i wouldn't expect them to have degrees, nor would i expect that they worn a suit, tie, and wing tip shoes in order to preach. But their clothing choices are not therefore either binding nor examplars for us, nor is their degrees or lack thereof.

Personally i have never heard a sermon from a preacher who did not have a college and a seminary degree, that doesn't mean that all their sermons were good, just a bit more uniform and expressing good theology then if you widen the preacher's requirements.