Donald Trump made the Religious Right implode in less than a week

[tulc]

I thought this was interesting:
https://thinkprogress.org/how-trump...e-in-less-than-a-week-d47a058945a1#.u4lxgrb2r

For decades, it’s been widely understood that religious conservatives are a force to be reckoned with in American politics. Millions of evangelical Christian voters — led by dynamic, charismatic leaders of the so-called “Religious Right” — have bent our electoral system to their will, helping propel Republican candidates into the White House on several occasions. Even as their power waned in recent years, political analysts insisted that the era of “values voters” is not yet over, as faith-fueled activists worked to widen their rock-solid networks to include conservative Catholics, Jews, and America’s increasingly influential Mormon population.

But that was before this week — when Donald Trump effectively forced the Religious Right’s entire political apparatus to collapse in on itself.

tulc(will now wait for dismissing instead of refuting)

 

[visionary]

It would be folly to vote for someone who wants ISIS to come in under the guise of refugees.

 

[Inkfingers]

If people choose a single issue its easy to choose one side or the other, but if they step back and see the wood not just the trees a bigger picture shows that both are unthinkable options.

At the moment its like asking whether people want Russia or China to occupy their country...and people are seriously actually trying to claim that one or the other is better.

 

[brinny]

I thought this was interesting:
https://thinkprogress.org/how-trump...e-in-less-than-a-week-d47a058945a1#.u4lxgrb2r

tulc(will now wait for dismissing instead of refuting)

Hmmmmm.......

“The 2016 presidential election will be remembered as the last spasm of energy from the Religious Right before its overdue death.” ~ Colin Hansen (editorial director of the Gospel Coalition)

he (Colin Hanson) wants the "Religious Right" to die, and none too soon?

And aren't the nearly 80 "prominent evangelical leaders" who signed the letter decrying Trump, of a "liberal" slant?

Isn't "Think Progressive" a news journal that generally finds anything not "progressive" rather distasteful and/or even possibly loathsome?

Just wondering, because isn't this something one might EXPECT to see in a "progressive" publication?



Coffee?

 

[redleghunter]

I thought this was interesting:
https://thinkprogress.org/how-trump...e-in-less-than-a-week-d47a058945a1#.u4lxgrb2r

tulc(will now wait for dismissing instead of refuting)

Your previous thread is quite similar to this one . I believe think progress is responding to the same information and providing their opinion.

You may want to check back to the NYmag thread you started. And read the posts from @PeaceByJesus where he breaks down the actual poll taken and compares with other polls.

One thing to consider. I don't know how many threads it takes to get the point across that the majority of voters this cycle are voting against a certain candidate and not affirming their personal lives.

 

[Larniavc]

I thought this was interesting:
https://thinkprogress.org/how-trump...e-in-less-than-a-week-d47a058945a1#.u4lxgrb2r

tulc(will now wait for dismissing instead of refuting)

Good. I think any country should have a defined separation of church and State.

 

[ranunculus]

It would be folly to vote for someone who wants ISIS to come in under the guise of refugees.

Why would terrorists subject themselves to a rigorous 2-year-long vetting process when they can just get a tourist visa? It's a lot easier than getting refugee status. In 2014 alone, 181 million people got visas to travel to the USA.

 

[RDKirk]

One thing to consider. I don't know how many threads it takes to get the point across that the majority of voters this cycle are voting against a certain candidate and not affirming their personal lives.

A big problem is that a good many of Trump's big-name evangelical supporters have been affirming his personal life--proclaiming him a man of God and holding Christian values.

The thing about "choosing the lesser evil" is that scripturally there is no such thing as a "lesser evil." Evil is just evil.

Now, in this fallen world, god does give permissions for our inability to make a righteous choice because of sin, such as He did regarding divorce.

But the error is in thinking that a permission for the inability to make a righteous choice because of sin is the same thing as being righteous. Not only do we not feel sadness at having made such a choice, but we revel in it and even seek opportunities for it, just as Jesus condemned Jewish men who sought opportunities to divorce their wives rather avoiding divorce.

Rather, it would be better when "choosing the lesser evil" always to keep in mind that we have chosen an evil, and that is something that ought to grieve us, not to bring us out in joyful rallies.

And above all, we should never let the evil think it has our mandate.

 

[Nithavela]

Let me help get the discussion started:

But Hillary Emails Obama Bill Clinton Benghazi.

 

[Jack of Spades]

A big problem is that a good many of Trump's big-name evangelical supporters have been affirming his personal life--proclaiming him a man of God and holding Christian values.

The thing about "choosing the lesser evil" is that scripturally there is no such thing as a "lesser evil." Evil is just evil.

Now, in this fallen world, god does give permissions for our inability to make a righteous choice because of sin, such as He did regarding divorce.

But the error is in thinking that a permission for the inability to make a righteous choice because of sin is the same thing as being righteous. Not only do we not feel sadness at having made such a choice, but we revel in it and even seek opportunities for it, just as Jesus condemned Jewish men who sought opportunities to divorce their wives rather avoiding divorce.

Rather, it would be better when "choosing the lesser evil" always to keep in mind that we have chosen an evil, and that is something that ought to grieve us, not to bring us out in joyful rallies.

And above all, we should never let the evil think it has our mandate.

Sorry too complicated. Lemme clarify this a bit, okay?

It gotta be "us vs them". And if Trump is one of us, then he is not one of them. If he was one of them, we couldn't be for him, because they are against us. And because he isn't against us, he is one of us, and therefore he is also against them and we are on the same side.

Got it?

Basic tribalism, disguised in religious rhetoric. Only them or us, no shades of grey.

 

[RDKirk]

Sorry too complicated. Lemme clarify this a bit, okay?

It gotta be "us vs them". And if Trump is one of us, then he is not one of them. If he was one of them, we couldn't be for him, because they are against us. And because he isn't against us, he is one of us, and therefore he is also against them and we are on the same side.

Got it?

Basic tribalism, disguised in religious rhetoric. Only them or us, no shades of grey.

What you're saying is that their religion is not a core belief, and not even their primary belief, but just a gang sign.

 

[iluvatar5150]

What you're saying is that their religion is not a core belief, and not even their primary belief, but just a gang sign.

Sounds right.

 

[Inkfingers]

What you're saying is that their religion is not a core belief, and not even their primary belief, but just a gang sign.

Someone should go to the rally with a truck full of lamp oil bottles and offer them around....to see if anyone catches on.

 

[JackRT]

It would be folly to vote for someone who wants ISIS to come in under the guise of refugees.

That is a manifestly ridiculous accusation.

 

[Rick Otto]

I thought this was interesting:
https://thinkprogress.org/how-trump...e-in-less-than-a-week-d47a058945a1#.u4lxgrb2r

tulc(will now wait for dismissing instead of refuting)

Feeling defensive? lol
I have no dog in that fight. So I can see it even where I don't completely agree or disagree with it.
But... "People who liked that also liked..."
(this guy is so fun to watch, lol)

 

[Rick Otto]

That is a manifestly ridiculous accusation.

That is a manifestly ridiculous statement.
(Love your signature stuff, though).
Are you one of those Tinfoilphobic Truth Deniers?

 

[Rick Otto]

Let me help get the discussion started:

But Hillary Emails Obama Bill Clinton Benghazi.

Dissociative state achieved.

What's on TV?

 

[Rick Otto]

Good. I think any country should have a defined separation of church and State.

It's a necessary ideal, even though it seems to some like an impossible task... and that only being necessary because we have assumed the state to be necessary.

 

[Sistrin]

I thought this was interesting:

An opinion piece based on a theory promoted in another opinion piece written by an acknowledged "guest blogger." But then it all fits your confirmation bias, so foist it upon us without investing any actual thought.

There are actually three articles associated with the single one cited in the OP, all of which work from the same base assumption and draw the same conclusion. Christians can't be Christians if they vote for Donald Trump. This is a conclusion promoted by pompous blowhards and liberal shills in support of the overall effort at voter fraud in this case designed in an attempt to suppress the evangelical vote.

But then liberals and the Democrat Party know all about voter fraud and voter suppression.

Christians are not voting as an affirmation of their faith. Nor should they be required to. Christians are voting in a Presidential election endemic to the world they have been commanded to occupy until the Lord returns. You identify as a Christian, Tulc, you should know that.

 

[W2L]

How can people find any fulfillment in politics? Its an endless battle for control but in the end we control nothing. Its full of contention. Its so horrible.