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Cordy

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Autumnleaf said:
Wives are to submit to their husbands and their husbands are to submit to God per the Bible. God wants submission and he has enslaved his people, had them almost annihilated at times, and allowed them to starve to gain that submission. He even drown the world to get submissive people back in the majority. God has no qualms about using force to make us submit to his authority. Should your husband do likewise or should he let you walk all over him?

With more wives filing for divorce than husbands and the divorce rate at 50% I don't care to elaborate further on how disrespected men are in the US. The freedom America grants its citizens does not always translate into a Godly society or even a happy one.

Overseas we fight for democracy in Iraq while we trade with people who enslave people who want democracy in China. Shop at Wal-Mart to continue the support of this practice. Don't look to foreign policy for morality unless you don't mind grave disappointment.


The rising level of divorce boils down to women? Wow… let us count the ways we can blame Eve for our sin…

Christians have the highest rate of divorce. Atheists and agnostic the lowest. Which one of those two groups pounds the issue of “wives submit!” in a unilateral way? Check out the correlations.
 
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mbams said:
The rising level of divorce boils down to women? Wow… let us count the ways we can blame Eve for our sin…

Christians have the highest rate of divorce. Atheists and agnostic the lowest. Which one of those two groups pounds the issue of “wives submit!” in a unilateral way? Check out the correlations.

From here it sounds like one group demands wives should not submit.
 
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Autumnleaf said:
From here it sounds like one group demands wives should not submit.

You'd probably find that amongst atheist/agnostic couples the issues of submission never come up, and that said couples operate on an egalitarian model which is beneficial for long term cohabitation.
 
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Autumnleaf said:
Wives are to submit to their husbands and their husbands are to submit to God per the Bible. God wants submission and he has enslaved his people, had them almost annihilated at times, and allowed them to starve to gain that submission. He even drown the world to get submissive people back in the majority. God has no qualms about using force to make us submit to his authority.

The are absolutes of opinion. Are you referring to the Jewish tribes and slaves in the Old Testament here, and their constant problems with making covenants with God and breaking them? They are referred to as "God's Chosen" people. The flood and Noah's ark are all in the Old Testament.
You are relating more to the Old Testament than to the New Testament or to Christianity today. I cannot imagine a saved Christian complaining "God has no qualms about using force to make us submit to his authority." Very strange language, very strange outlook on our Lord God.


Should your husband do likewise or should he let you walk all over him?

With more wives filing for divorce than husbands and the divorce rate at 50% I don't care to elaborate further on how disrespected men are in the US. The freedom America grants its citizens does not always translate into a Godly society or even a happy one.

Again, I am getting these little red flashing lights at the sound of these ideas. This extreme emphasis on "how disrespected men are in the US." American men have never struck me as feeling down trodden and "disrespected" by women. This is arrogant rhetoric of male domination found in other countries, cultures and religions in the extremes many times over.

American men and women are both more accustomed to freedom and equality in the United States, more so than in some other countries. The American men I have known would either take offense at such views or simply find them hilariously grim and pretentious.

And the shots at American freedoms not being for a Godly society or a happy one. That is an accusing finger pointing from afar, methinks.

Overseas we fight for democracy in Iraq while we trade with people who enslave people who want democracy in China. Shop at Wal-Mart to continue the support of this practice. Don't look to foreign policy for morality unless you don't mind grave disappointment.

This, He, we, them, ours, us, and thar business is beginning to strike me as really funny.

^_^
 
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Athene said:
You'd probably find that amongst atheist/agnostic couples the issues of submission never come up, and that said couples operate on an egalitarian model which is beneficial for long term cohabitation.

Or we might find people who don't rely on a God they view as Santa Claus who will fix all their problems.
 
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The more I read this the more I see it as men making abuse okay by calling it by a differant name as a way of having total control. If a man has to hit or in other ways put fear into his wife, to get control, he isn't getting respect. That's all IMO, I don't have scientific data to back it up but I do know any real man would never hit his wife.
 
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Autumnleaf said:
From here it sounds like one group demands wives should not submit.


:scratch: Wow, that is a very far cry what I said. I was referring to unilateral submission. I have made it clear throughout my posting history that I think wives should submit. I think it is not, however, the one way street that it has been abused to be. I believe submission is mutual in marriage between husbands and wives.
 
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