Does anyone have a simple explaination? "Spiritual law"

[RibI]

Well,what he learned was that the law was nailed to the cross,

This of course is another misunderstanding that nominal christianity teaches.

Some people turn to Paul’s writings to try to do away with God’s precious Law, but is that what Paul taught? Not even close.
Let’s look at two of the scriptures they use to prove this heresy and see if that is indeed what Paul says.

You might want to consider these things that Paul said, and ask yourself, did the man who wrote these words then; try to do away with God’s Law?

1) Ro. 8:7 Because the carnal mind (a mind without God’s Spirit) is enmity against (or is hostile toward) God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then ,(or because that is true) those who are in the flesh (without God’s Spirit) cannot please God.
2) Ro. 7:12Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
3) Ro. 2:13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified.
4) Ro. 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
5) 1Cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
Does anyone really think, That This Paul, tried to do away with God’s Law?

Col. 2:14 is one verse people love to use to try to say that Paul did away with God’s Law. We need to understand what this verse is really talking about.
The Romans nailed two things to the cross 1) They nailed Jesus to the cross. 2) They nailed a sign stating that He was the king of the Jews to the cross. (i.e. the charge against Him) But Paul says, (figuratively) that “the handwriting of requirements that was against us” was also nailed to the cross.
This is the only place in the NT that these Greek words (handwriting of requirements) are used. This is a legal document, hand written by the criminal, stating the charges against him, (in our case the charge is that we have sinned; Ro. 3:23) and the debt that he owes. (our debt or penalty is death; Ro. 6:23.) This is what was nailed to the cross, not God’s Law. Read “Friberg Lexicon” and also “Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words” for a further explanation.

“The New Living Translation” makes it much clearer. Cor. 2:14“He canceled the record that contained the charges against us. He took it and destroyed it by nailing it to the cross.” (Not the Law)

Col. 2:16 is another scripture some people try to use to prove that Paul did away with God’s Law. But does it?
Col. 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival, (or feast day) or new moons.
What is Paul talking about here? Let’s read what he says. In verse 8 he warns us not to be fooled by the traditions of men. Verses 20, 22 warn us not to be subject to the rules of this world and commandments of men.

Col. 2 is actually a condemnation of acetic human philosophy. This is not a discussion of whether or not God’s laws are binding on Christians.

The church in Colosse was in the mist of a pagan gentile country. There is no question here of whether they were keeping these laws; rather they are being warned not to be influenced by the people around them. They are not being told to dismiss God’s Law. They were being encouraged to keep on keeping God’s Law in the mist of these worldly influences.
If one wants to dismiss God’s Law in their life they are free to do so, but they need to base it on human philosophy; not the Word of God.

 

[RibI]

Seems like the flesh kicks in,where the law is preached.

Boy, ain't that the truth. You have certianly made that abundantly
obvious.

 

[Yarddog]

Love the Lord thy God with all your Heart, and Love one another as I have Loved you....(Jesus)

That is how easy God has made it for us....

When man gets past all the pride that makes him want to purify himself and embraces the cross, things become so much easier.

The cross is so much lighter to bear than the Law.

Surrender to the Spirit.

 

[Frogster]

It was not the law that seperated people; it was men's misinterpretation and misuse of the law that seperated people.

No soft peddling it!

They could not intermarry.

Deuteronomy 7:2-3 and when the LORD your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them, then you must devote them to complete destruction. You shall make no covenant with them and show no mercy to them. 3 You shall not intermarry with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons,

Gentiles were unclean.Peter said they could not associate with us.


Peter knew that the Torah laws separated Jew and Gentile....

Acts 10:28 And he said to them, “You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a Jew to associate with or to visit anyone of another nation, but God has shown me that I should not call any person common or unclean.


Greek for unclean in that verse.Acts 10:28 (akathartos 169)
Definition:1) not cleansed, unclean
1a) in a ceremonial sense: that which must be abstained from
according to the levitical law
1b) in a moral sense: unclean in thought and life


That is why there is a mention to the diviiding wall of hostility,mentioned here.A reference to the wall,that was the court of the gentiles,that if they crossed,and went into the temple,they were put to death.That is what they tried on Paul,in Acts 21,with Trophimus.

Eph 2;14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility

That is why it had to be abolished,and yes,it contained the great separater,CIRCUMCISION,that was also a law.

Ephesians2:15
by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law (3551 nomos) of commandments (1785 entole,a commandment of God) contained in ordinances (1378 dogma), so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,


Thanks for listening.

 

[Frogster]

This of course is another misunderstanding that nominal christianity teaches.

Some people turn to Paul’s writings to try to do away with God’s precious Law, but is that what Paul taught? Not even close.
Let’s look at two of the scriptures they use to prove this heresy and see if that is indeed what Paul says.

You might want to consider these things that Paul said, and ask yourself, did the man who wrote these words then; try to do away with God’s Law?

1) Ro. 8:7 Because the carnal mind (a mind without God’s Spirit) is enmity against (or is hostile toward) God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then ,(or because that is true) those who are in the flesh (without God’s Spirit) cannot please God.
2) Ro. 7:12Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
3) Ro. 2:13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified.
4) Ro. 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.

I could have saved you time.After all that,he died to the law though. Your prooftexting.

5) 1Cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
Does anyone really think, That This Paul, tried to do away with God’s Law?

Your again,not going by the whole of it.

Romans 10:4
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

Definition
Telos 5056
1) end
1a) termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be
(always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end
of a period of time)
1b) the end
1b1) the last in any succession or series
1b2) eternal
1c) that by which a thing is finished, its close, issue
1d) the end to which all things relate, the aim, purpose
2) toll, custom (i.e. indirect tax on goods)

Then why did he preach against circumcision?
That meant obligation to the law.

Gal 5:3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

Col. 2:14 is one verse people love to use to try to say that Paul did away with God’s Law. We need to understand what this verse is really talking about.
The Romans nailed two things to the cross 1) They nailed Jesus to the cross. 2) They nailed a sign stating that He was the king of the Jews to the cross. (i.e. the charge against Him) But Paul says, (figuratively) that “the handwriting of requirements that was against us” was also nailed to the cross.
This is the only place in the NT that these Greek words (handwriting of requirements) are used. This is a legal document, hand written by the criminal, stating the charges against him, (in our case the charge is that we have sinned; Ro.

3:23) and the debt that he owes. (our debt or penalty is death; Ro. 6:23.) This is what was nailed to the cross, not God’s Law. Read “Friberg Lexicon” and also “Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words” for a further explanation.

That is an old one.It also says handwriting,sounds like the finger of God writing the law.But better than that,is context. Why in the verse before,did it say ALL OUR SINS FORGIVEN?
What else could contain all our sins,but the law. Then afterward,it says SABBATH,that was clearly from the law of Moses.That is why they did not have to observe the LAW,the Sabbath laws of the Torah.

Even left leaning NT Wright,says Col 2:14,and Eph 2:15,was the Torah.I think he leans left,but just sayin...

“The New Living Translation” makes it much clearer. Cor. 2:14“He canceled

the record that contained the charges against us. He took it and destroyed it by nailing it to the cross.” (Not the Law)

Col. 2:16 is another scripture some people try to use to prove that Paul did away with God’s Law. But does it?
Col. 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival, (or feast day) or new moons.
What is Paul talking about here? Let’s read what he says. In verse 8 he warns us not to be fooled by the traditions of men. Verses 20, 22 warn us not to be subject to the rules of this world and commandments of men.

He was addressing several things,if you read it in context.And the Sabbath was the law.Why would teachings of men,be nailed to the cross? It was several things spoken of.

Col. 2 is actually a condemnation of acetic human philosophy. This is not a discussion of whether or not God’s laws are binding on Christians.

It was part of the letter.Notice here "elemental spirits".


Col 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe,

That is the same phrase,that matches the Greek,where Paul talked about the LAW in Gal 4:3,and Gal 4:9.


Gal 4:3So with us; while we were minors, we were enslaved to the elemental spirits* of the world.

The church in Colosse was in the mist of a pagan gentile country.

So was the Galatian Church,where the circumcision followed Paul,hence the Col church too.

There is no question here of whether they were keeping these laws; rather they are being warned not to be influenced by the people around them. They are not being told to dismiss God’s Law. They were being encouraged to keep on keeping God’s Law in the mist of these worldly influences.
If one wants to dismiss God’s Law in their life they are free to do so, but they need to base it on human philosophy; not the Word of God.

Paul was battling alot of things,the Jewish gnostics were also pushing the law,on the church,that is why we see Sabbath.Most likely they were pushing circumcision too,that is why he says this..

Col 2:11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,

Could also be he said that to counter other types of mutilation,but in light of the Jews always infiltrating,I think it was they were also pushing circumcision,a law Paul fought.

 

[Frogster]

Boy, ain't that the truth. You have certianly made that abundantly
obvious.

good one!
But it is true..look what the law does the soul.So yes,it rialed me.

Romans 4:15
because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.

What wrath means in the greek,notice the effects on the soul.
orge 3709
1) anger, the natural disposition, temper, character
2) movement or agitation of the soul, impulse, desire, any violent
emotion, but esp. anger
3) anger, wrath, indignation
4) anger exhibited in punishment, hence used for punishment itself
4a) of punishments inflicted by magistrates

 

[RibI]

No soft peddling it!

They could not intermarry.

God made provisions for strangers to become full members of Israelite society.
The point was not to be unequally yoked. 2 Cor. 6:14

Gentiles were unclean.Peter said they could not associate with us.
Peter knew that the Torah laws separated Jew and Gentile....

Acts 10:28 And he said to them, “You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a Jew to associate with or to visit anyone of another nation, but God has shown me that I should not call any person common or unclean.

Obviously Peter was wrong and God straitened him out.

Spin all you want, but you will not be able to say you haven't heard the truth.
The only question will be, what did you do with it?

 

[Frogster]

Spin all you want, but you will not be able to say you haven't heard the truth.
The only question will be, what did you do with it?

Facts are spin?
How could this chielograph(check spelling) contain all our sins?
No,it was the law nailed to a tree.
Why would Sabbath be mentioned after?
Spin?

 

[RibI]

Facts are spin?
How could this chielograph(check spelling) contain all our sins?
No,it was the law nailed to a tree.
Why would Sabbath be mentioned after?
Spin?

Nothing huh?

 

[Standing Up]

This of course is another misunderstanding that nominal christianity teaches.

Some people turn to Paul’s writings to try to do away with God’s precious Law, but is that what Paul taught?-snip

Since Paul was accused of teaching apostasy from the Law of Moses, then yes. Acts 21:21

 

[RibI]

Since Paul was accused of teaching apostasy from the Law of Moses, then yes. Acts 21:21

Yes, Paul, like all of us Christians, is accused in ignorance, as Peter said in 2 Pet. 3:16 "as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures."
Thanks for that.