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Do you think Satan has been locked up for the past 2,000 years?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Houly, Aug 1, 2013.

Do you think Satan has been locked up for the past 2,000 years?

  1. Yes

  2. No

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  1. Zadok7000

    Zadok7000 Awake and Sober

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    :thumbsup:

    His spirit is here, but his body is not. It's not held in the abyss, but in heaven by the restrainer Michael. Rev. 12:9 has not happened yet. When he is cast out he knows he has a shortened time.
     
  2. Zadok7000

    Zadok7000 Awake and Sober

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    As a pre-mill, no. Bodily restrained in heaven until cast out immediately before the Millennium, yes. His spirit roams around but his body hasn't been here in 2,000 years since the Lord said "Go! (hupage), Get thee hence, Satan. Then the devil leaveth (aphiesin) Him".
     
  3. Houly

    Houly Member

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    Yeah, I agree. Preterists usually take one word, "bound," and explain how Satan has been bound by the gospel, since we can now realize Jesus Christ and accept the Holy Spirit. That is absolutely true, Satan has been bound in that sense. But that is not what Revelation 20 is saying:

    He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time. (Revelation 20:2)

    Can a preterist reconcile the last sentence? Will we, for a short time, lose the ability to realize Jesus Christ and accept the gospel? No.

    Revelation 20:1-3 is literal and future. Satan will be locked up in the Abyss for a thousand years, and then he will be set free for a short time.
     
  4. Done222

    Done222 Newbie

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    Preterist don’t have to reconcile anything. They just say it isn’t literal, no matter how literal the language and this allows them to discard any verse they don’t like.
     
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  5. Houly

    Houly Member

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    They should at least reconcile what it "figuratively" means.

    Most preterists believe that Revelation 20:1-2 was fulfilled when Satan was bound by the cross (and I think ignore Revelation 20:3, which says he is also thrown into the Abyss). But if that is the case, what could the final verse possibly mean by "he will be set free for a short time?"
     
  6. ancientsoul

    ancientsoul queen of broken hearts

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    sure is easy in 2013 to see an incredible heightened state of the spirit of anti-christ ... it seems to me people are abandoning the Lord's Way for the worlds' way in numbers ever increasing in speed ... but even more so i notice the vast majority as maintaining of the Lord as their Saviour, but incorporating everything under the sun into 'what's okay' ... making concessions for the 'sake of peace' ... and then the big one i hear like never before 'well, i'm not worried, i think i'm a good person ... i would give the shirt off my back ... or i would help anyone ... so, so much leaning on one's own very limited understanding ... no real understanding or knowledge ... 'my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge' ...
     
  7. ebedmelech

    ebedmelech My dog Micah in the pic Supporter

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    I would say it's easy to reconcile. As Jesus prior to going to the cross spoke that is was he who came to bind Satan. He said it to the Phrarisees in Matthew 12:25-29:
    25 And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.
    26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? 27 If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.
    28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
    29 Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.


    Jesus is saying He came to bind the "strong man" who is Satan.

    Prior to going to the cross Jesus pronounces Satan's judgment and his cast down to earth out of heaven in John 12:31-33:
    31 Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.
    32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”
    33 But He was saying this to indicate the kind of death by which He was to die.


    Revelation 12:7-12 will confirm Satan's casting from heaven and Jesus triumph at the cross
    No Satan is bound right now. This is what you have been taught, and what you believe, but this is because you won't understand that John himself tells you in Revelation 1:1 he is communicating in symbols.

    Now, you don't have to believe that but look up the word "communicated", and it tells you it mean to "signify" or communicate in symbols.

    Many of the symbols in Revelation are found in the OT prophets so you can say preterism can't reconcile the scripture...however I just did that. It's up to you whether our not you accept that.

    As you look for Satan to be bound, ask yourself if Satan isn't bound...how are you saved...:confused:

    Here's Jesus telling you about it in Luke 4:16-19
    16 And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read.
    17 And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written,
    18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, Because He anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor.
    He has sent Me to proclaim release to the captives, And recovery of sight to the blind,
    To set free those who are oppressed,

    19 To proclaim the favorable year of the Lord.”

    This is those who are bound spiritually and blind spiritually. This is why the Pharisees missed much of what Jesus said. He spoke spiritually, and they thought literally...people are still doing that today.
     
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  8. Houly

    Houly Member

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    Ebed, the last sentence: Satan will be set free for a short time after the thousand years. What do you believe that means?
     
  9. ebedmelech

    ebedmelech My dog Micah in the pic Supporter

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    It means that Satan will no longer be limited and he will fully deceive those who hate God and they will come against Christ and the church.
     
  10. Houly

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    What do you mean by limited? Do you think Satan is locked in the Abyss today?
     
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    Who are the resurrected Saints, were these not from every tribe of Israel as listed in revelation of John. These are the old covenant Saints that Christ raised after his resurrection in fulfillment of ezekiel 37:12 and as mentioned in Matthew 27:52.

    The fifth seal of grace signaling the start of the resurrection of the dead was opened by the lamb and the twelve tribes mentioned.

    How could you have the resurrection of Christ without the resurrection of the dead, that defies all biblical coherency.

    As Saint Paul States if the dead rise not then Christ had not risen and our faith is in vain and we are found deceitful workers and those that have died have most certainly perished never to be raised.
     
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  13. ebedmelech

    ebedmelech My dog Micah in the pic Supporter

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    Indeed he is because Christ 1,000 year reign has not ended. It says "When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,"
     
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    He seems to keep getting out somehow :(
     
  15. ebedmelech

    ebedmelech My dog Micah in the pic Supporter

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    Not when you understand HOW Satan is in the abyss. It doesn't say Satan is powerless, it says he's prevented from "deceiving the nations". Satan also has his angels too...they're still working...:thumbsup:
     
  16. Knee V

    Knee V It's phonetic.

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    While I certainly get what you're saying, I believe that the key to this discussion is to recognize 1) that the only place in all of Scripture where we find a "bottomless pit", "1000 years", etc, is Revelation, and 2) that Revelation is, in every regard, an apocalypse. As such, while the whole book may be true, little to nothing of what it says is actual. There is no actual dragon, no actual bottomless pit, no actual chains, no actual 1000 years, no actual release. That is the nature of an apocalypse - it uses fantastical visions to portray a truth that is beyond those visions. Thus, the dragon being chained and cast into the bottomless pit for 1000 years means something, but it does not mean that there is a dragon chained up and cast into a bottomless pit for 1000 years.

    So in response to your statement, it's not that he "keeps getting out". Rather, he never has been, and never will be, "chained" and "in a bottomless pit". He's around; he just doesn't have the influence that he once had, at least not until he's "released for a season", whenever that may be.
     
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