Do you believe and follow Jesus' words?

ananda

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An enemy in authority would ask. If uncompliant, more than likely, they will demand after that, and then if still resistent, force will be given.

Police are generally good in the performance of their duties, but we have seen how some cops can just plain go bad. Fear & distrust is spreading, and it is important to apply His words now more than ever to yield to those in authority, even to the froward when the stress and the insecurities of the day mounts to tempt one to be abusive in authority.

1 Peter 2:18Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. 20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. 21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
Thank you for your patience and for sharing your perspective on the verse. :oldthumbsup:
 
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The question "Why was this verse difficult for you to explain as an orthodox Christian"? I'm sorry. My answer: The verse was always in the back of my mind, but I spent most of my time focusing on Paul's writings.
That actually does not describe to me why it was difficult for you to explain.
 
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What about Luke 6:30, "Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again."?
I believe in Jesus and desire to follow His teachings. What we have from the Disciples is Gold, however not the same to me as if Jesus explicitly wrote it.

What was Luke meaning to imply to readers?

For me Charity.

Touchy subject asking to divulge this...
 
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"Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more." 2Cor :16
How does this show that St Paul's teaching contradicts Luke 6:30?
 
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I'm not saying it does. I'm saying that verse is how I rationalized the passing away of Jesus' earthly teachings/dispensation.
That's a pretty weird thing to do. .. Is that what you felt you had to do as an orthodox Christian?
 
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It was part of our doctrines.
I have never heard of that before. Can you tell me when that doctrine originated and who decreed it? It seems strange that a Christian religion would consider Jesus Christ's teaching obsolete.
 
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I have never heard of that before. Can you tell me when that doctrine originated and who decreed it? It seems strange that a Christian religion would consider Jesus Christ's teaching obsolete.
Surely you've heard of dispensationalism.
 
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Surely you've heard of dispensationalism.
I had to look it up on Wikipedia last week. I am not familiar with it. Do you know who started the idea that Jesus' teaching was obsolete? Can you link to the original statement?
 
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Why did you say this is orthodox Christianity? It doesn't sound like Christianity at all.
In the united States alone, it is said that up to 16% of self-professed Christians believe in dispensationalism. It includes Presbyterians, Baptists, Pentecostal, Charismatic, non-denominational, evangelical churches ... sounds like many orthodox denominations to me.
 
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In the united States alone, it is said that up to 16% of self-professed Christians believe in dispensationalism. It includes Presbyterians, Baptists, Pentecostal, Charismatic, non-denominational, evangelical churches ... sounds like many orthodox denominations to me.
What then do they claim Christianity to be, if it is not the observance of Jesus Christ's teaching?
 
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In the united States alone, it is said that up to 16% of self-professed Christians believe in dispensationalism. It includes Presbyterians, Baptists, Pentecostal, Charismatic, non-denominational, evangelical churches ... sounds like many orthodox denominations to me.
.. Also, why do you describe these as orthodox denominations? They are all protestant denominations.
 
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