Do We Have the Right Seventh Day?

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If you want to get real technical, it was the Romans rather than the Jews that, in the first century, numbered the days of the week and decided that Sun's day was going to be the 1st day and Saturn's day was the seventh. The seventh day sabbath keepers are using a pagan calendar to count the days, but the church has also used this Julian calendar with that numerical system for nearly 1800 years. The monkey wrench in all this started in 1752, when the United Kingdom and North America switched from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar. By Parliamentary decree, the day immediately after September 2nd was September 14th and 11 days were skipped. (There were even riots because people thought 11 days had been taken off their lives and it was a campaign issue in the British election of 1755.) Therefore if you do the math and put back the taken days, Saturday worshippers who think they are following the Bible by worshipping on the seventh day according to the Roman calendar, are really worshipping on the previous Tuesday, which is the third day of the week. And Sunday worshippers who think they are worshipping on the first day of the week are really worshipping on the previous Wednesday, the fourth day of the week. Of course, this doesn't take into account the additional drift that has taken place over the past 2 centuries. In the intervening period between 1752 and today, the difference between the Julian calendar used by the early Church and our current calendar has grown to 13 days. A new day is added every 125 years. So I think this means that in 2006, what we call Saturday which is the seventh day, is really the previous Sunday, the first and it will all even out by 2100. It is also very, very important to remember that this doesn't apply if you live in Alaska, which had two Fridays in a row: Friday October 6th immediately followed by Friday October 18th, when they switched from the Russian calendar to the US calendar after the US purchased Alaska from Russia in 1867. If you do the math there, the Alaskans are all only one day off with Saturday really being Sunday and the week's first day. So seventh day worshippers in Alaska are really worshipping on the first day and Sunday worshippers on the second day. And it is important to remember that none of this applies in Scandinavia, Greece, Russia or other countries since they had to drop different numbers of days to adopt the Gregorian calendar. They would all be worshipping on completely different days: the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th.
 
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By Parliamentary decree, the day immediately after September 2nd was September 14th and 11 days were skipped. (There were even riots because people thought 11 days had been taken off their lives and it was a campaign issue in the British election of 1755.) .
In this change of dates, there was no change in the days of the week.

Wednesday 2 September 1752 was followed by Thursday 14 September 1752.
 
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Hello Folks,

Just wondering what your thoughts are on if you think our seven day system lines up with the beginning of creation. If we are indeed keeping the Sabbath on the true seventh day? If so, how would we know? Thanks,

Greg


If not from creation at least from the first century and Roman witnesses, (link below). :)


If you want to get real technical, it was the Romans rather than the Jews that, in the first century, numbered the days of the week and decided that Sun's day was going to be the 1st day and Saturn's day was the seventh. The seventh day sabbath keepers are using a pagan calendar to count the days, but the church has also used this Julian calendar with that numerical system for nearly 1800 years. The monkey wrench in all this started in 1752, when the United Kingdom and North America switched from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar. By Parliamentary decree, the day immediately after September 2nd was September 14th and 11 days were skipped. (There were even riots because people thought 11 days had been taken off their lives and it was a campaign issue in the British election of 1755.) Therefore if you do the math and put back the taken days, Saturday worshippers who think they are following the Bible by worshipping on the seventh day according to the Roman calendar, are really worshipping on the previous Tuesday, which is the third day of the week. And Sunday worshippers who think they are worshipping on the first day of the week are really worshipping on the previous Wednesday, the fourth day of the week. Of course, this doesn't take into account the additional drift that has taken place over the past 2 centuries. In the intervening period between 1752 and today, the difference between the Julian calendar used by the early Church and our current calendar has grown to 13 days. A new day is added every 125 years. So I think this means that in 2006, what we call Saturday which is the seventh day, is really the previous Sunday, the first and it will all even out by 2100. It is also very, very important to remember that this doesn't apply if you live in Alaska, which had two Fridays in a row: Friday October 6th immediately followed by Friday October 18th, when they switched from the Russian calendar to the US calendar after the US purchased Alaska from Russia in 1867. If you do the math there, the Alaskans are all only one day off with Saturday really being Sunday and the week's first day. So seventh day worshippers in Alaska are really worshipping on the first day and Sunday worshippers on the second day. And it is important to remember that none of this applies in Scandinavia, Greece, Russia or other countries since they had to drop different numbers of days to adopt the Gregorian calendar. They would all be worshipping on completely different days: the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th.


See link below. :)


In this change of dates, there was no change in the days of the week.

Wednesday 2 September 1752 was followed by Thursday 14 September 1752.


:oldthumbsup:

Roman witnesses Cassius Dio and a Roman soldier named Frontinus:
Historical Proof that Saturday is the Sabbath
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If you want to get real technical, it was the Romans rather than the Jews that, in the first century, numbered the days of the week and decided that Sun's day was going to be the 1st day and Saturn's day was the seventh. The seventh day sabbath keepers are using a pagan calendar to count the days, but the church has also used this Julian calendar with that numerical system for nearly 1800 years. The monkey wrench in all this started in 1752, when the United Kingdom and North America switched from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar. By Parliamentary decree, the day immediately after September 2nd was September 14th and 11 days were skipped. (There were even riots because people thought 11 days had been taken off their lives and it was a campaign issue in the British election of 1755.) Therefore if you do the math and put back the taken days, Saturday worshippers who think they are following the Bible by worshipping on the seventh day according to the Roman calendar, are really worshipping on the previous Tuesday, which is the third day of the week. And Sunday worshippers who think they are worshipping on the first day of the week are really worshipping on the previous Wednesday, the fourth day of the week. Of course, this doesn't take into account the additional drift that has taken place over the past 2 centuries. In the intervening period between 1752 and today, the difference between the Julian calendar used by the early Church and our current calendar has grown to 13 days. A new day is added every 125 years. So I think this means that in 2006, what we call Saturday which is the seventh day, is really the previous Sunday, the first and it will all even out by 2100. It is also very, very important to remember that this doesn't apply if you live in Alaska, which had two Fridays in a row: Friday October 6th immediately followed by Friday October 18th, when they switched from the Russian calendar to the US calendar after the US purchased Alaska from Russia in 1867. If you do the math there, the Alaskans are all only one day off with Saturday really being Sunday and the week's first day. So seventh day worshippers in Alaska are really worshipping on the first day and Sunday worshippers on the second day. And it is important to remember that none of this applies in Scandinavia, Greece, Russia or other countries since they had to drop different numbers of days to adopt the Gregorian calendar. They would all be worshipping on completely different days: the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th.

Wow, Jack.. You seem to know a lot! Thanks for the response.
 
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Good article... it's still a bit fuzzy, but maybe it'll sink in.

There are two wars being referenced in the article. Cassius Dio speaks of the intervention of Pompey in 63BC while the Roman soldier speaks of the great war culminating in 70AD. In both instances the reference to "the days of Saturn" or "Saturn's day" refer to what has today become Saturday. The Romans called that day of the week after Saturn and the same day has never changed though the name of that day of the week has now become Saturday. Thus, if you are one who prefers to count consecutive weekdays in order, as do most modern calendars including the Jewish lunisolar calendar, you therefore have two witnesses from early Roman sources showing that first century Judaism observed the Shabbat on what the Romans called Saturn's day and that same Saturn's day is now called Saturday. :)
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There are two wars being referenced in the article. Cassius Dio speaks of the intervention of Pompey in 63BC while the Roman soldier speaks of the great war culminating in 70AD. In both instances the reference to "the days of Saturn" or "Saturn's day" refer to what has today become Saturday. The Romans called that day of the week after Saturn and the same day has never changed though the name of that day of the week has now become Saturday. Thus, if you are one who prefers to count consecutive weekdays in order, as do most modern calendars including the Jewish lunisolar calendar, you therefore have two witnesses from early Roman sources showing that first century Judaism observed the Shabbat on what the Romans called Saturn's day and that same Saturn's day is now called Saturday. :)
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Thanks, Daq. Cool. So "Saturday" is Sabbath.
 
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Widespread use of forms of the word Sabbath for the seventh day of the week, Saturday, is clear evidence that speakers of these languages understood which day is the Sabbath. And these are just the ones I found.
Arabic: Sabet
Armenian: Shabat
Bosnian: Subota
Bulgarian: Sabota
Corsican: Sàbatu
Croatian: Subota
Czech: Sobota
Georgian: Sabati
Greek: Savvato
Indonesian: Sabtu
Italian: Sabato
Latin: Sabbatum
Maltese: is-Sibt
Polish: Sobota
Portuguese: S ábado
Romanian: Sambata
Russian: Subbota
Serbian: Subota
Slovak: Sobota
Slovene: Sobota
Somali: Sabti
Spanish: Sabado
Sudanese: Saptu
Ukranian: Subota
 
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If you want to get real technical, it was the Romans rather than the Jews that, in the first century, numbered the days of the week and decided that Sun's day was going to be the 1st day and Saturn's day was the seventh. The seventh day sabbath keepers are using a pagan calendar to count the days, but the church has also used this Julian calendar with that numerical system for nearly 1800 years. The monkey wrench in all this started in 1752, when the United Kingdom and North America switched from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar. By Parliamentary decree, the day immediately after September 2nd was September 14th and 11 days were skipped. (There were even riots because people thought 11 days had been taken off their lives and it was a campaign issue in the British election of 1755.) Therefore if you do the math and put back the taken days, Saturday worshippers who think they are following the Bible by worshipping on the seventh day according to the Roman calendar, are really worshipping on the previous Tuesday, which is the third day of the week. And Sunday worshippers who think they are worshipping on the first day of the week are really worshipping on the previous Wednesday, the fourth day of the week. Of course, this doesn't take into account the additional drift that has taken place over the past 2 centuries. In the intervening period between 1752 and today, the difference between the Julian calendar used by the early Church and our current calendar has grown to 13 days. A new day is added every 125 years. So I think this means that in 2006, what we call Saturday which is the seventh day, is really the previous Sunday, the first and it will all even out by 2100. It is also very, very important to remember that this doesn't apply if you live in Alaska, which had two Fridays in a row: Friday October 6th immediately followed by Friday October 18th, when they switched from the Russian calendar to the US calendar after the US purchased Alaska from Russia in 1867. If you do the math there, the Alaskans are all only one day off with Saturday really being Sunday and the week's first day. So seventh day worshippers in Alaska are really worshipping on the first day and Sunday worshippers on the second day. And it is important to remember that none of this applies in Scandinavia, Greece, Russia or other countries since they had to drop different numbers of days to adopt the Gregorian calendar. They would all be worshipping on completely different days: the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th.
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The dates were changed but the days of the week remained in chronological order. So when September 2, 1752, ended (let's say it was a Tuesday) and September 14, 1752, began the next morning, it was Wednesday. The order of the seven days of the week never changed and the Jews who observed the Sabbath prior to the change, waited until Saturday (for example) September 17 and they celebrated their Sabbath exactly seven days after their previous Sabbath.
 
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