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Compassion is part of it.

Also, look at the causes of it.

The US is one of various countries that has been stirring the pot in Syria in recent years, trying to overthrow the Baathist government there, which in Middle Eastern terms is quite secular. It would be helpful and compassionate for Western and other countries to stop interfering in such a way, for a start.
 
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What do you think?

No, I don't think most care about the refugee crisis beyond some lip service. The moment the time came to help the refugees, many displayed their true colors and considered the Syrian refugees fleeing a genocide (which many countries have the obligation to respond to due to the genocide convention) to be threats to them because of the actions of mainly non-Syrian non-refugees.

"But this is not just a problem of British tabloids. Those outlets, though loathsome, are in many ways just expressing an extreme version of the overwhelming sentiment among Western countries: that a single dead refugee child is a tragedy, but a million suffering refugees are a threat. Western voters have made clear to their leaders time and again that they want to keep refugees out, even if it means most of those refugees will die."

The drowned Syrian boy photo is viral social media at its most hollow and hypocritical

Also, look at the causes of it.

The US is one of various countries that has been stirring the pot in Syria in recent years, trying to overthrow the Baathist government there, which in Middle Eastern terms is quite secular. It would be helpful and compassionate for Western and other countries to stop interfering in such a way, for a start.

The pot has been stirring in Syria for decades because of that very Baathist "secular" and sectarian regime and not because of the US. One needs to just look at the uprising in Hama in 1982 when Hafez al-Assad (the Baathist) quashed it by killing hordes of civilians just like his son is doing today with the aid of a few countries (Iran, Russia, Lebanon, and Shi'a militias from elsewhere). The cause of the refugees today is, overwhelmingly, Bashar al-Assad (the Baathist) and his genocide of the Sunni Muslims.
 
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No, I don't think most care about the refugee crisis beyond some lip service. The moment the time came to help the refugees, many displayed their true colors and considered the Syrian refugees fleeing a genocide (which many countries have the obligation to respond to due to the genocide convention that they ratified/agreed to) to be threats to them because of the actions of mainly non-Syrian non-refugees.

"But this is not just a problem of British tabloids. Those outlets, though loathsome, are in many ways just expressing an extreme version of the overwhelming sentiment among Western countries: that a single dead refugee child is a tragedy, but a million suffering refugees are a threat. Western voters have made clear to their leaders time and again that they want to keep refugees out, even if it means most of those refugees will die."

The drowned Syrian boy photo is viral social media at its most hollow and hypocritical



The pot has been stirring in Syria for decades because of that very Baathist "secular" and sectarian regime and not because of the US. One needs to just look at the uprising in Hama in 1982 when Hafez al-Assad (the Baathist) quashed it by killing hordes of civilians just like his son is doing today with the aid of a few countries (Iran, Russia, Lebanon, and Shi'a militias from elsewhere). The cause of the refugees today is, overwhelmingly, Bashar al-Assad (the Baathist) and his genocide of the Sunni Muslims.
Somehow to attribute to the Baathists in Syrian a monopoly of bloodshed is a distortion of the facts.

Somehow to attribute to the Baathists in Iraq a monopoly of bloodshed would also be a distortion of the facts. Even President G. W. Bush was warned by some of his own advisors that overthrowing Saddam would likely lead to making his so called War on Terror actually more difficult.

Similarly, somehow to attribute to President Mubarak's government a monopoly of bloodshed would also be a distortion of the facts.

When Western countries, driven by an odd alliance of media receptiveness to Mossad which (of course) wants to weaken Syria, emotional distortions and oil interests who thought that the radicals in Libya would somehow be more amenable to Western oil companies than Colonel Khaddafi: then the present confused and distorted picture emerges in the Western media.
 
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I have two competing thoughts on this.

1) Many fellow believers in my community do care, and we've been raising funds for the persecuted church over there.

2) That doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to the path of destruction in Europe. Nurses working in rape clinics over there have valid reasons to feel the way they feel. Calling them callous is not a solution.

The Syrian war is pretty much a case of being forced to choose between the baby and bathwater.
 
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especially when it comes to helping them integrate into their current nation and acculturate to society.

This, this, this, this, this. If the poor folks are not interested in becoming active, patriotic members of their new home, you can't let them import disloyal affections. It's like a drowning person who pulls in the rescuer. We cannot help them if they don't want to play nice.
 
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The general consensus in my area is that refugees are not welcomed and if any come into our area they will be watched very closely.

We do it for the folks getting transplanted here from Chicago, so by all means we'll be keeping close tabs on refugees from the Middle East.
 
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I have two competing thoughts on this.

1) Many fellow believers in my community do care, and we've been raising funds for the persecuted church over there.

2) That doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to the path of destruction in Europe. Nurses working in rape clinics over there have valid reasons to feel the way they feel. Calling them callous is not a solution.

The Syrian war is pretty much a case of being forced to choose between the baby and bathwater.
Yes, indeed, especially when it has been Western countries that have actively contributed to the instability.

There is a multiple strategy in the Western media.

1) Bombard the media with distressing images (really sad, but they don't tell the whole story, especially when Western governments and the UN deliberately try to publicize in the media the use of chemical weapons in Syria while trying to hide the identity of those who are actually used them).

2) Fail to ask why media outlets automatically broadcast the aspiration for Syria to be weakened, while hiding the fact that Mossad naturally wants this (one does not necessarily blame Mossad for wanting this, but it's only reasonable to recognize it).

3) Promote vague support in the Western media for the so called Syrian "opposition", while scrupulously failing to define who these groups might be and failing to recognize that such groups have less in common with each other than even they do with elements of the Baathist government of Syria.
 
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This, this, this, this, this. If the poor folks are not interested in becoming active, patriotic members of their new home, you can't let them import disloyal affections. It's like a drowning person who pulls in the rescuer. We cannot help them if they don't want to play nice.
In the 18th century, when people tended to try to think rationally, Bishop Butler said: "If things and actions are what they are, and their consequences will be what they will be, then why should we wish to deceive ourselves?"

However, emotion and hidden agendas seem to drive the way Western governments and the Western media view events.
 
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This, this, this, this, this. If the poor folks are not interested in becoming active, patriotic members of their new home, you can't let them import disloyal affections. It's like a drowning person who pulls in the rescuer. We cannot help them if they don't want to play nice.

It's teaching people to fish instead of giving them a fish. Making them self supportive. However I think in some crisis it's important to remove people for a time. But the ultimate goal should be to keep people where they are at and help them solve the problems they are facing.
 
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Not the media part.....the hidden agenda part.....
At the moment, Israel and religious radicals from Saudi Arabia share a common interest in weakening Syria. Western governments led by the US wanted to weaken Iraq, and messed up. Western governments led by the US wanted to weaken Egypt's President Mubarak and similarly messed up. Western governments led by the US wanted to weaken Colonel Khaddafi and messed up. Now they want to weaken Syria. But Syria for one is proving so far to be too strong to be truncated into various religious fragments.
 
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At the moment, Israel and religious radicals from Saudi Arabia share a common interest in weakening Syria. Western governments led by the US wanted to weaken Iraq, and messed up. Western governments led by the US wanted to weaken Egypt's President Mubarak and similarly messed up. Western governments led by the US wanted to weaken Colonel Khaddafi and messed up. Now they want to weaken Syria. But Syria for one is proving so far to be too strong to be truncated into various religious fragments.
Thx...
 
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