This is a serious question I've been struggling with, do aborted babies go to heaven?
This is a serious question I've been struggling with, do aborted babies go to heaven?
This is a serious question I've been struggling with, do aborted babies go to heaven?
I looked at your post and the referenced verses and don't see how those prove your point. Babies sure can sin. Anyone who can sin is under the judgement.Hi Herman, on what basis do you believe God could possibly judge babies or toddlers worthy of eternal punishment and damnation If you'd like, check out my (hopefully) Biblical .. rather than emotional .. argument in post #2 above.
BTW, do we know each other? Your name seems familiar to me somehow
Yours and His,
David
I agree with you... I think god sending babies to hell would be it for me..Hi Herman, on what basis do you believe God could possibly judge babies or toddlers worthy of eternal punishment and damnation If you'd like, check out my (hopefully) Biblical .. rather than emotional .. argument in post #2 above.
BTW, do we know each other? Your name seems familiar to me somehow
Yours and His,
David
I looked at your post and the referenced verses and don't see how those prove your point. Babies sure can sin. Anyone who can sin is under the judgement.
As for my name, it is not my real name, it is in reference to a method of Biblical interpretation.
I agree with you... I think god sending babies to hell would be it for me..But I remember in the bible saying David would be reunited with his son..or something along those lines in the book of Kings or Samuel not sure.
Hi David,Hi Matt, we know from what the Bible teaches us that unborn babies have souls. For instance, the Gospel of Luke says this about John the Baptist:
It seems to me that the only prayer we have for the genocide that's occurred because of abortion is this, "Father forgive us, because we KNOW what we are doing".
The singular connection that we have between spirit/soul/breath all entering the body at the same time is found in Adam, whose lifeless body wasn't formed within a womb.
Yours and His,
David
It's quite clear that scripture says he had the Spirit since the time in his mother's womb. What about when John the Baptist "leaped" in his womb when he was beside Mary with Jesus in the womb? Luke 1:41Hi David,
A little selective in translations we use here (I include myself); my favorite one says: "... he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb." The ek (from) here can include "in," but need not. And it seems in English "from" does not include anything prior to the end of the (time period) indicated. So not much of a proof for there being souls in the womb, especially considering that Adam (man!) only was (is) a living soul when given the breath of life. The breath being directly from God.
An interesting "we" you use in: "... we KNOW what we are doing." I doubt you are actually participating in abortion - I guess you take it you are somehow responsible because such occurs in the society in which "we" are a part. I guess you feel moral apprehension about abortion and not being able to halt the practice feel guilty about it? Do you also claim some responsibility for actual murders?
"Since" means "since," NOT during.It's quite clear that scripture says he had the Spirit since the time in his mother's womb. What about when John the Baptist "leaped" in his womb when he was beside Mary with Jesus in the womb? Luke 1:41
The baby was alive and sensed Jesus's presence even in the womb and couldn't contain his excitement. A servant even within the womb.
Chist was also a human, but He did not sin.The Bible never says one way or the other. We do know we are all conceived in sin from Adam. Most arguments I have heard that say all aborted babies go to heaven are based on emotion rather than what is found in the Bible. I am not saying they all go to hell, I am saying the Bible doesn't tell us, so we can't say.
Not relevant to abortion.You're right, when King David and Bathsheba's firstborn died he said,
"...he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.” ~2 Sam 12:23
The gender is determined by the sperm cell that 'wins the race', so the gender is immediately fixed.There are no "hes" in a womb. Ever.
Lol, it most certainly is biblical. The verse was about the babe's excitement, not Elizabeth's butterflies. John as a baby later on went to speak after he had been born aswell, God loosed his lips and he praised God."Since" means "since," NOT during.
There are no "hes" in a womb. Ever. What "the babe leaped" means is the usual quickening or movements of ALIVE - yes you are correct in that - fleshly parts responding to their environment, a phenomenon often experienced in late pregnancy. Nothing more, except that the "leaping" (so called) brought joy to Elizabeth, she it says was filled with the Holy Ghost.
I guess if "filled" means totally filled, then any filling in her womb might be considered to be likewise filled, but not in any way different than the way any other flesh of her body might have been filled.
It is referred to as a "babe" because after six months she was noticing it (including the "leaping" or "kicking" - certainly NOT like the poor man crippled from birth who actually lept when Jesus healed him), and MUCH ANTICIPATING, she had been barren all those years, seen as somewhat a curse in that society, so looking forward to actually having a baby she referred to what the angel promised would be a special son as a "babe" or "baby" when it had not yet been born.
All the bits about "sensed Jesus's presence and couldn't contain his excitement" are your construction, NOT BIBLICAL.
Not relevant to abortion.
Note it says first born - it was born (the firstborn) - I wonder if anyone called it "firstborn" in the womb, perhaps but it would have been inaccurate. In a sort of almost obvious way.
I know "church of the Firstborn" means of Christ, but does it also give hints about anything else?