Dispensationalism is the root cause of terrorism

[Job8]

What is your proof that the secular state which men (not God) calls "Israel," is the Israel of Ezekiel? God told Ezekiel that they would be placed in the land upon Israel's resurrection. When did that happen? My question is a straight forward question.

That resurrection is yet future and before the Millenium. I have not even suggested that the secular state of Israel is the Israel of the Millennium. However, it is located on a portion of the land of Israel which will ultimately be between the Nile and the Euphrates (Gen 15:18). It is located in Palestine. Jerusalem is Jerusalem. The Mount of Olives is the Mount of Olives. Therefore when this prophecy of Ezekiel is fulfilled, it will be fulfilled on this land. And any Jew who will be saved will be saved just like any other sinner. God will gather Jews from around the world (Ezek 11:17; 34:13 etc). They will mourn, they will repent and believe, and they will be saved. There are numerous Scriptures to support that and they need not be listed.

You, on the other hand have claimed that Dispensationalism is the root cause of terrorism. That is such an absurd claim that you still have not put forth any argument to support it.

 

[Danoh]

That resurrection is yet future and before the Millenium. I have not even suggested that the secular state of Israel is the Israel of the Millennium. However, it is located on a portion of the land of Israel which will ultimately be between the Nile and the Euphrates (Gen 15:18). It is located in Palestine. Jerusalem is Jerusalem. The Mount of Olives is the Mount of Olives. Therefore when this prophecy of Ezekiel is fulfilled, it will be fulfilled on this land. And any Jew who will be saved will be saved just like any other sinner. God will gather Jews from around the world (Ezek 11:17; 34:13 etc). They will mourn, they will repent and believe, and they will be saved. There are numerous Scriptures to support that and they need not be listed.

You, on the other hand have claimed that Dispensationalism is the root cause of terrorism. That is such an absurd claim that you still have not put forth any argument to support it.

Methinks their celebrity writers are as sensationalistic that their "books about" become bestsellers among their own legions of book learned fanatics as those sensationalists within Dispensationalism - who so easily throw the actual hermeneutic out the window for the same "filthy lucre's sake" among our own, far too many book learned fanatics.

The reasoning that results in, as well as that caters to both sides of said book learned fanatics, is one and the same.

Say Boxer, do you guys have overpriced trips "to the holy land with..." your celebrities like our fanatics do with theirs?

You do? Cool? I'll trade you a Jack Van Impe and his wife "Thank You Jack, Rexella" for one of your Gary De Mars; I got a couple uh fanatics that'll just jump for joy at the chance to learn about "all those cool, dead, favorite chosen people in that holy land over there by the desert with the camels" that you were sensationalizing about earlier on this thread

In short, I feel your pain... here's a kick in the shins - get over it already

Seriously, your one size fits all has worn its elastic a bit thin...

 

[Righttruth]

Another point of biblical clarification regarding America's "Stand with Israel" policies. God forbade Israel to have allies and to acquire the land by force. God told Israel,

Then he said to me, "This is what the LORD says to Zerubbabel: It is not by force nor by strength, but by my Spirit, says the LORD of Heaven's Armies.


Furhtermore, God said that He would give them the land as the consequence of their returning to Him in obedience. But they have taken the land by military force.

Woe unto you who support Israel!

 

[Righttruth]

Modern "Israel" was created by the U.N. and not by God.

THE IDOLATORS OF ZION: ORTHODOX JEWS REJECT ZIONISM SO SHOULD CHRISTIANS - eXile MM - Christians in Exile 2000

It was created by guilty western world after the Holocaust! But Zionists with their self-declaration of independent state have not bothered to adhere to the complete resolution of the UN!

 

[Righttruth]

If Israel is to be placed in the land upon their resurrection, and they will know the Lord as their God at that time, then the people who now possess the land are NOT Israel, for they have not been resurrected, and neither do they know the Lord as their God. They reject God's Messiah.

Keep it simple dude! Those who "Stand with Israel" are actually supporting imposters.

 

[Righttruth]

Dispensationalism and Pentecostal movement started side by side with a strong delusion taking over the message of Jesus Christ with whacky thinking!

 

[Danoh]

Dispensationalism and Pentecostal movement started side by side with a strong delusion taking over the message of Jesus Christ with whacky thinking!

I've known many an old school Pentecostals to assert the Pre-Trib Rapture in one breath, followed by "he that endureth unto the end shall be saved," in the next breath.

That is not consistent Dispensationalism - those two thoughts are mutually exclusive of one another.

In this, it is obvious that Pentecostalism is the result of an inconsistent Dispensationalism, on the one hand, the residual of Preterist leanings on the other. They too espouse the wrath of God on fallen "Believers" that the Preterist espouses.

 

[Jack Terrence]

That resurrection is yet future and before the Millenium. I have not even suggested that the secular state of Israel is the Israel of the Millennium. However, it is located on a portion of the land of Israel which will ultimately be between the Nile and the Euphrates (Gen 15:18). It is located in Palestine. Jerusalem is Jerusalem. The Mount of Olives is the Mount of Olives. Therefore when this prophecy of Ezekiel is fulfilled, it will be fulfilled on this land. And any Jew who will be saved will be saved just like any other sinner. God will gather Jews from around the world (Ezek 11:17; 34:13 etc). They will mourn, they will repent and believe, and they will be saved. There are numerous Scriptures to support that and they need not be listed.

You, on the other hand have claimed that Dispensationalism is the root cause of terrorism. That is such an absurd claim that you still have not put forth any argument to support it.

Therefore, the people who now possess the land are IMPOSTERS and Christians are NOT obliged to stand with them against Palestinians. If they are imposters, which they are, then they have no more right to the land than the Palestinians have.

 

[Jack Terrence]

Dispensationalism and Pentecostal movement started side by side with a strong delusion taking over the message of Jesus Christ with whacky thinking!

Yes, dispensationalism's wacky theology and politics makes the imposter "Jews" and Palestinains jealous to have land. But according to Paul our theology is to make true Jews jealous for to have Christ.

 

[Job8]

Therefore, the people who now possess the land are IMPOSTERS

Not at all. They consider themselves Jews, but we know they are unbelieving Jews. And God knows that too. An imposter would be an Arab pretending to be a Jew.

and Christians are NOT obliged to stand with them against Palestinians.

Christians as Christians are simply obliged to preach the Gospel to them. But the Western world should stand with them against the Palestinians, whose sole aim is to destroy Israel. Actually hardly anyone is standing with Israel at the moment.

If they are imposters, which they are, then they have no more right to the land than the Palestinians have.

Since they are Jews, this allegation is false. Jews do have a right to Palestine because God gave them that land a long time ago. The Palestinians have no right to the land Israel, and ultimately all Gentiles will be removed from Palestine at the second coming of Christ.

You have still not addressed the question of how Dispensationalism produces terrorism. So study the Koran, and then study radical Islam, and you will know the roots of terrorism.

 

[Righttruth]

Not at all. They consider themselves Jews, but we know they are unbelieving Jews. And God knows that too. An imposter would be an Arab pretending to be a Jew.

The authenticity of the present Jews is questionable after the destruction of the temple with its records.

Malachi 4:
1 "For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace; and all the arrogant and every evildoer will be chaff; and the day that is coming will set them ablaze," says the LORD of hosts, "so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.

I don't think an Arab can pretend like a Jew there among Zionists.

Christians as Christians are simply obliged to preach the Gospel to them. But the Western world should stand with them against the Palestinians, whose sole aim is to destroy Israel. Actually hardly anyone is standing with Israel at the moment.

Christians should preach Gospel to both--no partiality in this work. Jews forcibly settled in the land with no regard to Palestinians who were there hundreds of years.

Since they are Jews, this allegation is false. Jews do have a right to Palestine because God gave them that land a long time ago.

Why did Jews run away from the land seeking greener pasture in 70 A.D.? They forfeited the right of land with that. Obsolete rights cannot be claimed with money and muscle power of the USA.

The Palestinians have no right to the land Israel, and ultimately all Gentiles will be removed from Palestine at the second coming of Christ.

So also deluded Christians, hypocrites,money swindlers of USA and unbelieving Jews.

You have still not addressed the question of how Dispensationalism produces terrorism. So study the Koran, and then study radical Islam, and you will know the roots of terrorism.

I have studied Koran. Both Judaism and Islam are radical. The roots of terrorism were there even during Jesus' time. It was the work of Zealots against Roman government.

 

[Biblewriter]

If Israel is to be placed in the land upon their resurrection, and they will know the Lord as their God at that time, then the people who now possess the land are NOT Israel, for they have not been resurrected, and neither do they know the Lord as their God. They reject God's Messiah.

Keep it simple dude! Those who "Stand with Israel" are actually supporting imposters.

If you had ever bothered to actually study the prophecies (not what people say about them) you would know that the scenario described there is one of an unbelieving Judah (not Israel) in the land during the time of great trouble, (Isaiah 28) followed by a physical return of all Israel after, not before, the Lord comes "with fire, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire." (Isaiah 66)