Did Jesus worship God after Going to Heaven?

[Radrook]

Does that mean that God has a God?
Or does it mean that Jesus isn't God?


How do I fix the Oped typo?

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Does that mean that God has a God?
Or does it mean that Jesus isn't God?


How do I fix the Oped typo?

Jesus was-is God.

If you go to your first post and click edit you should see a box near the subject line that lets you edit that thread title.

 

[com7fy8]

I understand that when Jesus says He is going to His God, He means to the Heavenly Father. Did Jesus worship His Father? I would say, yes, in various ways.

 

[Hieronymus]

Does that mean that God has a God?

No, the Son has a Father.

Or does it mean that Jesus isn't God?

No, Jesus is a person of YHWH Elohim.

 

[Radrook]

No, the Son has a Father.No, Jesus is a person of YHWH Elohim.

Here is Jesus speaking after he was resurrected and back in heaven:

Rev 3: 12
The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.

Four times he tells us that he has a God!

But even before that he had called the Father his God.

John 20: 17
Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

 

[Chriliman]

Does that mean that God has a God?
Or does it mean that Jesus isn't God?


How do I fix the Oped typo?

Jesus is God in the same way your word and actions represent who you are.

We understand who God is through Jesus. Similarly, we understand who you are through your word and actions.

So without God the Father, Jesus the man doesn't exist, but before Jesus the man existed, God the Father existed. Therefore, God the Father is greater than Jesus the man because he comes from the Father.

You are greater that your word and actions because they come from you, but you are still one being that speaks and acts a certain way. Similarly, the Father and Son are One and the Son represents who the Father is, in ways we mere humans can understand.

Does that help?

 

[Greg J.]

Jesus and the Father have different roles by choice. Jesus showed us how to live, including worshiping the Father. Did Jesus' relationship with the Father then change between the time he ascended and the time he arrived?

 

[Radrook]

Jesus is God in the same way your word and actions represent who you are.

We understand who God is through Jesus. Similarly, we understand who you are through your word and actions.

So without God the Father, Jesus the man doesn't exist, but before Jesus the man existed, God the Father existed. Therefore, God the Father is greater than Jesus the man because he comes from the Father.

You are greater that your word and actions because they come from you, but you are still one being that speaks and acts a certain way. Similarly, the Father and Son are One and the Son represents who the Father is, in ways we mere humans can understand.

Does that help?

From a non Trinitarian standpoint yes. From a Trinitarian standpoint which requires that
Father and Son and holy spirit be co-eternal no. So what you are describing isn't what they teach. Are you a non-Trinitarian Christian?

 

[Radrook]

Jesus and the Father have different roles by choice. Jesus showed us how to live, including worshiping the Father. Did Jesus' relationship with the Father then change between the time he ascended and the time he arrived?

Well. if he calls the Father his God in heaven after he is resurrected then that means that the Father was always his God.
Now, if Jesus is fully God, then that means that Jesus, who is God has a God.

 

[Greg J.]

God is often used to refer to the Father in Scripture. It is correct to say Jesus has a heavenly Father, but misleading to say he has a God.

Additionally, since Jesus continues to intercede for us, that means he is continuing his role. He's wouldn't have to intercede with himself (Hebrews 7:25). His role as our High Priest also continues (Hebrews 3:1), although he presumably has no more high priestly duties to carry out for us (Hebrews 10:12).

 

[Radrook]

God is often used to refer to the Father in Scripture. It is correct to say Jesus has a heavenly Father, but misleading to say he has a God.

Additionally, since Jesus continues to intercede for us, that means he is continuing his role. He's wouldn't have to intercede with himself (Hebrews 7:25). His role as our High Priest also continues (Hebrews 3:1), although he presumably has no more high priestly duties to carry out for us (Hebrews 10:12).

So Jesus is trying to mislead us when he tells us he has a God?

 

[Greg J.]

No, you are attempting to explain Jesus' use of God in a way that is misleading.

 

[Chriliman]

From a non Trinitarian standpoint yes. From a Trinitarian standpoint which requires that
Father and Son and holy spirit be co-eternal no. So what you are describing isn't what they teach. Are you a non-Trinitarian Christian?

The trinity as I understand it is true in that the truth of the Son and Holy Spirit have always been known by God in His eternal being, His mind if you will. However, God had to create in order to convey these truths to us and He has done this throughout creation and His material/fleshy Son, Jesus Christ the man.

 

[Radrook]

I understand that when Jesus says He is going to His God, He means to the Heavenly Father. Did Jesus worship His Father? I would say, yes, in various ways.

He clearly makes a distinction between the terms Father and God. He tells us that he is returning to his Father and our Father and to our God and his God.

 

[Radrook]

No, you are attempting to explain Jesus' use of God in a way that is misleading.

The scripture is self explanatory. Perhaps your difficulty stems from having a preconception of what the scripture SHOULD mean.

 

[Greg J.]

The scripture is self explanatory. ...

Why do you think that?

 

[Radrook]

The trinity as I understand it is true in that the truth of the Son and Holy Spirit have always been known by God in His eternal being, His mind if you will. However, God had to create in order to convey these truths to us and He has done this throughout creation and His physical Son, Jesus Christ the man.

So you deny that Jesus had a prehumen existence prior to his birth to a woman on Earth?

 

[Radrook]

Why do you think that?

Because it isn't vague. The trouble only surfaces when a meaning is superimposed on which it doesn't inherently convey.

 

[Radrook]

The trinity as I understand it is true in that the truth of the Son and Holy Spirit have always been known by God in His eternal being, His mind if you will. However, God had to create in order to convey these truths to us and He has done this throughout creation and His physical Son, Jesus Christ the man.

So does God have a God? This isn't a trick question nor an attempt at imposing my own ideas. It is simply a question that is based on Jesus' own admission that he has a God. If indeed he admits that he has a God, what can possibly justifiy our trying to say that he doesn't?

 

[Chriliman]

So you deny that Jesus had a prehumen existence prior to his birth to a woman on Earth?

His pre human existence was the word of God.

John 1:1