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Did Jesus Like to Party?

Discussion in 'Spirit-Filled / Charismatic' started by Yekcidmij, Sep 15, 2009.

  1. Yekcidmij

    Yekcidmij Economist

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    Matt 11:19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Look at him, a glutton and a drunk, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ But wisdom is vindicated by her deeds.”


    It appears to me that Jesus would party on occasion with "sinners" and "tax collecters", basically, the dirtiest of the dirty. I don' think He was a glutton or a drunkard though. Those seem to be labels that were used by his opponents, probably in some sort of attempt to marginalize him. But the part about partying a little with the outcasts seems to be true. Those facts are not denied by Jesus and he actually says he will be vindicated by by the things he is doing.

    What do you think?
     
  2. BereanTodd

    BereanTodd Missionary Heart

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    I don't think that he partied or got drunk per se, but He certainly hung out with sinners, and yes He drank wine on a daily basis, and it was WINE that he turned the water into.
     
  3. He put me back together

    He put me back together Official Hog washer

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    I think one must understand the context of the accusations. Josephus gives an account of the practices of the Pharisees, of whom he was a member for at least some time. I don't know if we could say that every code expressed therin applied to all of them on every occasion, but it does shed some light on where they were coming from when they accused Jesus.

    The Pharisees, as we know to some degree, believed in a code of "clean" living beyond that expressed in the Torah. They accused Jesus on hygene. But this was more than hygene--they considered themselves defiled if they touched a member of their own sect who was of some rank lower than they. You have to understand that to an ancient Hebrew, "holy" was "set apart," special--like your dress shoes or a wedding dress. You don't roll around in the mud in your wedding dress. These guys took that concept far too literally, and in their efforts to clean the outside, they soiled themselves with iniquity and moral filth.

    So, you can imagine what contempt such a group of people would have for this guy who claims to be a teacher of righteousness, and will not only allow people to touch Him, but He visits the houses of immoral sinners, eats their food, drinks their wine, and laughs with them. Glutton! Drunkard! You walk around teaching people Torah, but you party with the sinners!

    But the Bible doesn't say that he got drunk, or that He ate or drank in excess. The Bible doesn't say that others did that around Him. The Bible does record, however, that He made friends with sinners, and those that received His teaching were lifted up above the "holiest," "cleanest," most "set-apart" men on the earth. And those publicans--those prostitutes, those theives, entered into the Kingdom ahead of the Pharisees, and instead of most of them.

    But honestly, what they had to say about Jesus closely ressembles what I hear at times in the pulpit about those who befriend sinners.
     
  4. lismore

    lismore Legend

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    If Jesus didnt reach out to sinners none of us would be here.
     
  5. enoch son

    enoch son Guest

    I like the party at the tree of shame myself. Man even tried to get Him to drank and curse God. What a bunch of wild and crazy guy's that was. Opps!!!!!!!!! OH NO that was me and you too.
     
  6. SpiritPsalmist

    SpiritPsalmist Adonai puts the song in my heart Supporter

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    Yes, I think He liked to party. He celebrated weddings, He celebrated all of the Appointed Times, He celebrated Channukah, He celebrated when the disciples returned with a good report. He danced, He rejoiced, He gave thanks. Yes, He was also called a man of sorrows, but He did not go around with a sorrowful persona.
     
  7. enoch son

    enoch son Guest

    Isn't there a different between being there and celebrating? Or what man think that is?
     
  8. Cassidy

    Cassidy Guest

    Oh look what the cat dragged in...it's enoch son! Havn't seen you for a while! Or have I just not noticed? LOL Anyway...nice to see ya hun :)

    Back to Christ partying...dunno about partying but he socialised with people...hung out with them, I guess by doing so he was being a witness to them.
     
  9. enoch son

    enoch son Guest

    It's been let out of the old bag agian!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!
     
  10. Cassidy

    Cassidy Guest

    Should we be worried??? ;)
     
  11. Al Lenssock

    Al Lenssock Guest

    Jesus was the life of the party! :)
     
  12. ~RENEE~

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    not partied in the sense we think of party today.
     
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  13. enoch son

    enoch son Guest

    Why? It seems to me that someone will remove a post now without saying a word even if it's right out of the word. So whats there to worry about the blind still lead the blind.^_^^_^^_^
     
  14. NaLuvena

    NaLuvena Junior Member

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    Jesus knew how to have a good time, and still stay in the right with God, something we all need to learn how to do.
     
  15. enoch son

    enoch son Guest

    You means like tell the jewish leader's there father is the devil and throw the law past down by man back in thier face? Now there a party I like to see!:amen:
     
  16. SpiritPsalmist

    SpiritPsalmist Adonai puts the song in my heart Supporter

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    Literally and Spiritually! :D
     
  17. enoch son

    enoch son Guest

    Great post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've seen it literally to the best understanding I can get from 15 or so translatins. This is one I think I would like to see if I could handle it.:blush::blush::blush:
     
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    Was Jesus a party animal?

    I don’t think so.

    He was more like a physician in a hospital, there to heal, not party. Unlike us hyper-religious types, He was not repulsed by sinners, in fact he was known as the Friend of Sinners. I say that because so much of today’s modern preaching is nothing more than moralizing and is often disparaging of those dam*ed sinners whose morals we think do not match ours—i.e., sinners that Christ loves so much He gave His life for them. IMO, Jesus expected sinners to sin because that’s what sinners do and that’s why they are sinners. We do not condemn a cancer victim for having cancer and we should not expect a sinner to do anything other than sin. Sin is like a disease that cripples peoples’ souls and Jesus came to heal them by offering them the gift of faith so that they might be justified before God (with Christ’s righteousness not our own) and not because we who proclaim the Good News are any better than they.

    If we say “Jesus loved to party,” I think we miss the point of why He went to parties.

    ~Jim
    I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. ~C.S. Lewis
     
  19. enoch son

    enoch son Guest

    So the point being it's not the party you go to it the standard of living you have? One question who set's the standard?It's not the law and it's not the grace then what's the standard?
     
  20. SpiritPsalmist

    SpiritPsalmist Adonai puts the song in my heart Supporter

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    Nobody who thinks Jesus celebrated and rejoiced and danced has missed the point of why He went to parties. He partied with them to the degree of living Torah in the midst of them and their lives were changed. He loved to party as per the Kingdom of Heaven.
     
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