Day Of Atonement Typology Relation To The Second Coming Of Christ And The Resurrection (Full Pret.)

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The Importance Of the Typology of the Day Of Atonement In Relation To The Second Coming Of Christ And The Resurrection

The fall of Jerusalem and demise of the Old Covenant Temple system in A.D. 70 was no localized judgment event as some suggest, just as the cross was no localized execution event. Yet fewer people knew of Jesus' crucifixion than the destruction of the city. Jesus coming in judgment in A.D. 70 was his appearing "a second time, not to bear sin but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him" (Heb. 9:28) and "the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time" (1 Pet. 1:5)." If He did not appear "a second time," we have a major problem on our hands.



Curiously; the Bible records that Jesus had already come and appeared many times following both his resurrection and ascension. Then what did this phrase appearing "a second time" mean? To understand this terminology, we must refer to the typology of the Jewish high priest, a figure central to Israel's existence. He was their connection to and mediator with God. Once each year on the Day of Atonement (the annual, sixth Jewish feast as prescribed by the Law), the high priest performed his most sacred duty (Lev. 16). He put on his finery, sacrificed a bull, put its blood in a bowl, tied a rope around his leg, entered into the Holy of Holies, sprinkled the blood on the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant, and made atonement for himself and his house. Then he came out and appeared before the crowd gathered in front of the Tabernacle (later the Temple), killed a goat, took its blood into the Holy of Holies, made atonement for the congregation. Lastly, a second goat - the scapegoat - was released into the wilderness. Time spent by the high priest inside the Holy of Holies was a fearful time for the assembled crowd. But his second reappearance, alive, was the most-awaited and joyful part of the whole ritual. It completed the atonement process and revealed that both sacrifices had been accepted by God and that Israel's sins were forgiven for another year.



Jesus Christ, as our new and superior High Priest of the New Covenant (Heb. 4-10), had to perfectly follow and fulfill this typology (Heb. 8:5; 10:1). The Bible tells us that the earthly Jewish Temple was only a copy of the heavenly one (Heb. 9,10, especially 9:23ff.). That's why Jesus had to depart and go prepare the heavenly place for his saints to occupy; He did this by going through these same atonement steps (Jn. 14:1-4). Therefore, after Jesus ascended to the Father; He entered the true Holy of Holies and offered up the perfect sacrifice of his spilled blood. But just as the atonement ritual of the Old Covenant was never considered complete with only the slaying of the sacrifice, neither was Jesus' atonement work finished at the cross, or even when He entered into the Holy of Holies. Partway through is not the place to abandon this atonement typology, as most do. In order for Jesus to perfectly fulfill the final, inseparable, and essential act of atonement: to appear "a second time" to show that his sacrificed had been accepted, and to fulfill the role of both goats - one dead, one alive.



If this final step has yet to occur, as all futurist schemes claim, we are faced with some big problems! If Jesus did not appear a second time, we must live with the following unpalatable facts:



1. 1st-century believers watched, waited and eagerly expected in vain (1 Pet. 1:5-9; 2:12; Heb. 9:28; 10:25; Lk. 21:28; Php. 3:20; Gal. 5:5; Ro. 13:11-13; 1 Cor. 1:7; Tit. 2:11-13).



2. Their salvation and ours is still incomplete. If no final sign or proof of atonement has been manifested from heaven, we cannot know if Jesus' sacrifice has yet been accepted by God.



3. We can't know for sure if our sins are fully forgiven, if we are totally reconciled to God, if we are back in His presence (where no one had been since Adam), or were we to die tonight, if we would immediately go to heaven (Jn. 3:13; 13:33,36; 14:1-4).



Jesus appearing "a second time" is essential for complete salvation. This is the climax of the whole salvation event. It's where salvation and end-time prophecy (soteriology and eschatology) are inseparably intertwined. It's why eschatology is the story of one salvation in Christ. If this "salvation that is [was] ready to be revealed in the last time" (1 Pet. 1:5) hasn't occurred in almost 2,000 years, all we can be sure of is that we have the promise of salvation. But if that's all we have, how is the New Covenant any better than the Old in this important regard? If it doesn't supply what the Old could not provide, where are we? How much salvation do we presently have? How much of Christ's mission to "put away sin" is accomplished? Are we still in limbo (an intermediate state) and not yet in God's Presence?



Please note that any doctrine which says that Jesus has not returned and fulfilled salvation promises to Israel is actually saying that we don't have full redemption (1 Pet. 1:9-13; Ac. 3:24; 26:6-8; Eph. 4:4). There's no way around it. As our High Priest, Jesus had to carefully follow and fulfill all aspects of the sacrificial and atonement typology of the high priesthood pattern on the Day of Atonement. This is the crucial factor and meaning behind his appearing "a second time," and that is what was being "eagerly awaited" by the early Church (Gal. 5:5), as they saw "the Day approaching" (Heb. 10:25).



The good news is that postponement traditions are wrong. There was no 19th-plus-centuries-and-counting delay. The atonement process was not interrupted. God's redemptive plan was fulfilled by Christ's appearing "a second time." As our High Priest, He did his atoning work during those "last days." He has been "revealed from heaven" (2 Th. 1:7; 1 Pet. 1:7; Lk. 17:30,31). The sixth Jewish feast of the Day of Atonement is totally fulfilled. Jesus was and is "able to save completely" or "to the utmost" (Heb. 7:25, KJV). The next question is, how did He appear?



He appeared by "coming on the clouds" in A.D. 70. This invisible nature of that particular type of coming was why a "sign" was needed and was asked for by His disciples (Mt. 24:3,30). As we've seen, Jesus clearly and inseparably designated the destruction of Jerusaleme and its Temple as the sign of His coming. He said, "Immediately, after the distress [tribulation] of those days... the sign of the Son of Man will appear..." (Mat. 24:29-30). Immediately after the four sieges of A.D. 66 - 70, the sign appeared. In the final destructive event(s), His Presence was manifested and He was truly revealed as the Son of God. This sign also signaled God's acceptance of Christ's atonement (Heb. 7:25) and that the way into the Most Holy Place was now open (Heb. 9:8). By this sign we can be sure that Jesus completed everything for our salvation into the generation He named "this generation" (Mt. 24:34). Jesus said, "When you [His audience] see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near... When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near" (Lk. 21:20,28). No longer do we need to look for Jerusalem to be surrounded by armies. No longer are we living in that waiting period.



Confusion over this eschatological-soteriological issue only comes when we don't understand that the destruction of Jerusalem had redemptive/spiritual significance. If we lift the salvation process out of its "last-days" context at the end of the Jewish Age and shift it to an alleged end of a Christian Age, we have confused the very roots of our faith. No scriptural basis exists for removing Christ's appearing a second time from the end-time, last-days framework in history in which his sacrifice occurred - "once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin" (Heb. 1:2; 9:26). God fully dealt with man's sin problem; it is not incomplete. It has been fully resolved.



When Jesus said, "One jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law until all is fulfilled," or "everything is accomplished" (Mt. 5:18, KJV-NIV), He meant exactly what He said. He came again to do just what He said He would (Mt. 5:17). Who among us would question that a large segment (not a mere jot or tittle) was passing and did pass away from the Law back in the 1st century (Heb. 8:13; 12:26-28; 1 Cor. 7:13)? The Temple, rituals, genealogies, feasts, the sacrificial system, priesthood, and all they typified are totally fulfilled. They were necessary; but only temporarily. Nothing failed to come to pass. That's why "salvation is of the Jews" and their Age (Jn. 4:22 KJV), not of the Gentiles or of an intervening Christian Age.



Why then are we still waiting for Jesus to be revealed after almost 2,000 years? Whom should we believe, Jesus, or our postponing, futurist brethren? I believe Jesus. How could He be any clearer? Everything is accomplished. The typology is complete. The destruction of Jerusalem and its Temple was the sign of the final event in the consummation of God's plan of redemption. Let us recognize and loudly proclaim that we have received the goal/end/telos of our faith, the ultimate and consummated realization of the promise of the salvation of our souls (1 Pet. 1:9). The message is one of fulfilled redemption and completed salvation. What more could we ask for?



John Noe, Beyond The End Times

All Futurists and Partial Preterists... I challenge you to read this article. 1 Thessalonians 5:21

 

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The Importance Of the Typology of the Day Of Atonement In Relation To The Second Coming Of Christ And The Resurrection



All Futurists and Partial Preterists... I challenge you to read this article. 1 Thessalonians 5:21

Was Jesus really raised from the dead, or was He really not dead and it was only "spiritual"?

Where did He go when He ascended? Is heaven real? Will He stay there forever?

Luk 21:24　 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.　

We find this time of the Gentiles also in Romans chapter 11.
(Rom 11:25　 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.)

Part of the Israelites will be blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles is completed.　This did not end in 70 AD.

This "times of the Gentiles" represents a time period to occur "after" the captives were led away at the end of the siege of 70 AD. This times of the Gentiles has not ended.

The text that follows is a description of the Second Coming of Christ. Notice it occurs after the captives of 70 AD were led away.


Luk 21:25　 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;　

Luk 21:26　 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.　

Luk 21:27　 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.　

Luk 21:28　 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.　

This text is all wrong from your point of view, since the early Christians left before the siege of 70 AD, not after.

According to you, Christ came before the captives were led away at the end of the siege.

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[random person]

Was Jesus really raised from the dead, or was He really not dead and it was only "spiritual"?

Where did He go when He ascended? Is heaven real? Will He stay there forever?

Luk 21:24　 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.　

We find this time of the Gentiles also in Romans chapter 11.
(Rom 11:25　 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.)

Part of the Israelites will be blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles is completed.　This did not end in 70 AD.

This "times of the Gentiles" represents a time period to occur "after" the captives were led away at the end of the siege of 70 AD. This times of the Gentiles has not ended.

The text that follows is a description of the Second Coming of Christ. Notice it occurs after the captives of 70 AD were led away.


Luk 21:25　 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;　

Luk 21:26　 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.　

Luk 21:27　 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.　

Luk 21:28　 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.　

This text is all wrong from your point of view, since the early Christians left before the siege of 70 AD, not after.

According to you, Christ came before the captives were led away at the end of the siege.

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Christ was genuinely resurrected because God did not allow His Holy One to see corruption - Acts of the Apostles 13:35

The Times of the Gentiles and the Fulness of the Gentiles aren't one and the same.
The Times of the Gentiles is speaking about the events of Daniel's 70 Weeks which climaxed in A.D. 70. The Fulness of the Gentiles are when the Gentiles receive the Abrahamic promises and blessings. When Gentiles are added to the Olive Tree and become joint heirs with Christ believing Jews.

Jerusalem fell under siege no less than four times between 66-70 A.D. Verses 22-27 is speaking about the judgment of Israel in A.D. 70 the Old Testament has many examples of this language being described in the fall of a nation.

Check Isaiah 13:10-17 namely give your special attention to verses 10 and 13 comparatively to verse 17. What does verses 10 and 13 respectively say and who is identified as responsible for verse 10 and 13 in verse 17? Doesn't it identify the Medes!

Check Ezekiel 32:7-11 namely give your special attention to verses 7 and 8 comparatively to verse 11. What does verses 7 and 8 respectively say and who is identified as responsible for verses 7 and 8 in verse 11? Doesn't it identify the King of Babylon!

Verse 28 is all about the identifying the fall of Jerusalem and the demise of the Old Covenant world in A.D. 70 as the super sign of the Parousia of Christ and the Resurrection - See Daniel 12:1-7.

 

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The Times of the Gentiles is speaking about the events of Daniel's 70 Weeks which climaxed in A.D. 70.

You have gone down the road of the Dispensationalist by making the 490 years of Daniel's 70 weeks fit your doctrine.

The 69th week ended when John the Baptist placed Jesus under the waters of the Jordan River and His Father from heaven anointed Him.

He was cut off "after" the 69th week, which would be during the 70th week using normal logic.

His baptism was the beginning of the earthly ministry of Christ taking the Gospel to Daniel's people for 1/2 week of years. Remember that almost all of the first members of the Church were Jews. The Gospel was taken to the Jews first. The Apostles continued to take the Gospel to Daniel's people up until the time that Stephen reviewed the whole history of Israel and was stoned. After that the Gospel was taken to the Gentiles.

There is no excuse for a 40 year "gap", except to make your doctrine work.

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Here is more from Don K Preston:

Seventy Weeks Are Determined... To Make An Atonement For Sin

There is no disagreement, in conservative commentaries, that this promise in Daniel 9 is referent to the atoning work of Jesus Christ. The tragedy is that the great majority of commentaries stop the atoning process at the Cross, whereas Scriptures posits the consummation of the atonement at the parousia of Christ. Gentry says of the promise to make an atonement for sin, "It clearly speaks of Christ's atoning death, which is the ultimate atonement to which all the temple rituals looked (Hebrews 9:26). This also occurred during his earthly ministry-at his death." (Dominion, 315). Mathison likewise argues: "This was fulfilled in Christ's atoning death." (Hope, 221).

Gentry is correct to say that Christ's atoning death is what all the temple rituals anticipated and foreshadowed. Furthermore, Christ's high priestly function, in offering himself as a sacrifice, is also pointed to those Old Covenant rituals. It is here that the partial preterists and all futurists abandon the text.

Notice the chart that shows the direct type/anti-type relationship between Jesus in his High Priestly service, and that of the Old Covenant High Priest on the Day of Atonement:

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O.T. HIGH PRIEST ON DAY OF ATONEMENT
CHRIST, HIGH PRIEST TO MAKE ATONEMENT


2.
PRIEST KILLED THE SACRIFICE
CHRIST APPEARED TO "PUT AWAY SIN" BY HIS SACRIFICE (HEBREWS 9:26)

3.

PRIEST ENTERED THE MOST HOLY PLACE
"CHRIST ENTERED THE HOLY PLACE" (HEBREWS 9:24)

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RETURN OF THE HIGH PRIEST FROM MHP FINISHED ATONEMENT & DECLARED SALVATION
TO THOSE WHO EAGERLY LOOK FOR HIM, HE SHALL APPEAR A SECOND TIME, FOR SALVATION (HEBREWS 9:28)

It will be noted that after describing these actions by Christ, so perfectly picturing the Old Covenant Day of Atonement, that the writer of Hebrews says Christ would appear a second time... "for the law, having a shadow of good things to come, can never by those sacrifices which they make year by year continually, perfect" (Hebrews 10:1). In other words, the Old Law and its typological functions were a shadow, and Christ in High Priestly function was the fulfillment. Just as the High Priest killed the sacrifice, entered the Most Holy Place, and came back out, Jesus offered himself, and entered the Most Holy Place, and was set to appear "a second time, for salvation" for, the law was a shadow of good things about to come. It was necessary for the fulfillment of the Old Covenantal liturgical cultus that Christ fulfill every aspect of the High Priest's Atoning function, and that included the coming out of the Most Holy Place to declare the atonement accepted! Simply stated, if the High Priest did not come back out of the Most Holy Place, there was no atonement.

However, virtually all futurist paradigms say the atonement was finished at the Cross. This in spite of the fact that Christ's Priestly function demanded he enter the Most Holy Place, just as the Old Covenant High Priest had to enter MHP.

Was the atonement completed before Christ even offered his blood in the Most Holy Place? Hebrews 9:24 says he entered there to appear "in the presence of God for us." Just like the High Priest under the Old Covenant had to enter the Most Holy to appear in the Presence of God on the behalf of Israel, and offer the sacrifice, Jesus entered the Most Holy Place there to offer his blood.

The idea that the atonement was finished at the Cross also overlooks the fact that, just like the Old Covenant High Priest, Jesus had to return from the Most Holy Place before the atonement was finished. This leads to the following argument:

The atonement work of Christ would be perfected and consummated at his "Second Coming" (Hebrews 9:28).

But the Second Coming is the time of the resurrection of the dead (1 Corinthians 15).

Therefore, the atonement work of Christ would be perfected and consummated at the resurrection of the dead. The atonement work of Christ would be perfected at the resurrection of the dead.

But the seventy weeks were determined to make the atonement (Daniel 9:24).

Therefore, the resurrection of the dead, at the perfection of the atonement work of Jesus, would occur within, or by the end of, the seventy weeks.

Don K Preston

 

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Here is more from Don K Preston:

The only way you can make this work is to ignore the last 3 words of Christ from the Cross and come up with a non-existent timeline for Daniel chapter 9.

Joh 19:30 When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, "It is finished," and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

How did God show that the Old Covenant was finished at that point, instead of 70 AD?

Mat_27:51　 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Mar_15:38　 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

Luk_23:45　 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.


How about showing a timeline of Daniel 9 starting with a decree to rebuild that ends 490 years later in 70 AD.

See what you and Don can come up with?

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There are two resurrections in John chapter 5.

The first is spiritual...

Joh 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.


...and the second is of the body.

Joh 5:27 And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man.

Joh 5:28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice

Joh 5:29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.


Joh 5:30 "I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.

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[random person]

The only way you can make this work is to ignore the last 3 words of Christ from the Cross and come up with a non-existent timeline for Daniel chapter 9.

Joh 19:30 When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, "It is finished," and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

How did God show that the Old Covenant was finished at that point, instead of 70 AD?

Mat_27:51　 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Mar_15:38　 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

Luk_23:45　 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.


How about showing a timeline of Daniel 9 starting with a decree to rebuild that ends 490 years later in 70 AD.

See what you and Don can come up with?

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There are two resurrections in John chapter 5.

The first is spiritual...

Joh 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.


...and the second is of the body.

Joh 5:27 And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man.

Joh 5:28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice

Joh 5:29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.


Joh 5:30 "I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.

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In Daniel 12:7, the angel tells us when everything is finished and fulfilled.

In Matthew 5:17-18, Jesus tells us when everything is finished and fulfilled.

In Matthew 24:34, Jesus tells us when everything is finished and fulfilled.

In Luke 21:22 and Luke 21:32, Jesus tells us when everything is finished and fulfilled.

What was finished at the Cross? Daniels Seventy Weeks? The Resurrection? The Song of Moses (Deut. 32)? Christ entering the Most Holy Place to present His blood to God (Hebrews 9:24)? Christ receiving His kingdom and throne (Daniel 7:13-14)? The outpouring of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost coinciding with the deliverance of the remnant (Joel 2:28-32)? The spreading of the Gospel to all nations (Matthew 24:14)?

What is finished, BaBerean?

 

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Here is more from Don K Preston:

The question of course is, how the majority of Christian believers can affirm the present reality of forgiveness, and yet deny that Christ has consummated the atonement process through his parousia. This is a huge issue!



The bottom line is that you cannot, consistently and logically, affirm that forgiveness is a reality now, in Christ, and yet, affirm that the believer does not enter the Most Holy Place. You cannot affirm the reality of forgiveness and deny the reality of the parousia. You cannot affirm that the faithful child of God must go to Hades and await judgment, without thereby affirming that the Mosaic Covenant, with its animal sacrifices, remains valid and binding today.



On the other hand, what does it mean to affirm that the faithful child of God does enter the Most Holy when they die? Well, it certainly means that the atonement is completed, that man is genuinely forgiven, and that there is nothing to keep man from the presence of God. It affirms that everything that the old world symbolized and prophesied has now become a reality. The High Priest's work is finished. The atonement is finished, and man can now enter into its benefits.



However, if the atonement is completed, and man can enter the Most Holy Place, then this demands that Christ's coming, the second time, "apart from sin, for salvation" has occurred. Remember, the atonement was not completed until the High Priest came out of the MHP and signified the acceptance of the atonement sacrifice.



To help see the relationship between the end of the Old Covenant Age, the consummation of the atonement, and the relationship with the end of the seventy weeks of Daniel, we need to take a closer look at the idea of entering the Most Holy Place.



As we have seen, in Hebrews 9, the writer posits the access and entrance into the Most Holy Place at the end of the Mosaic world, when all that it typified and foreshadowed was fulfilled, i.e. at the time of reformation. So, the time when all that the Old Covenant anticipated, the realization of Israel's eschatological and soteriological hopes, would be when the system that stood only in animal sacrifices, carnal washings and ordinances, reached its terminus through fulfillment. In other words, the time of reformation - when man could enter the MHP - would come at the end of the Mosaic Covenant world! This is not only time we find this motif.



In Luke 21, Jesus predicted the fall of Jerusalem (v. 7f). He tells the disciples that when they see Jerusalem surrounded they are to know her desolation is nigh (v. 20-24). He describes the fall of Jerusalem, "These be the days of vengeance, in which all things that are written must be fulfilled" (v. 22). Jerusalem's fall would be the consummation of God's vengeance. Furthermore, in the events of those days, they were to "look up, for your redemption draws nigh," and to know that the kingdom of heaven had drawn near (Luke 21:28-31). Thus, in the destruction of the temple and removal of the cultus, the saints were to see the fulfillment of all things that are written, the coming of their redemption, and the arrival of the kingdom!



Note also that in Revelation 15, John sees a vision of the temple in heaven, and remarkably, the veil is gone, and the Most Holy Place is open (Revelation 11:19; 15:8)! This signified that man could now approach God - but there was a problem. No man could actually enter the Most Holy Place until, "the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed" (15:8). Man could not enter the Most Holy Place until the wrath of God was consummated, and God's wrath would be completed when judgment fell on Babylon (Revelation 16:17f). Therefore access to God would be opened when God's vengeance was completed against Babylon.



We cannot develop this at length here, but suffice it to say that Babylon of Revelation was none other than Old Covenant Jerusalem. It is the great city, where the Lord was slain (Revelation 11:8), the city that killed the prophets (16:6f), and the city guilty of shedding the blood of the apostles and prophets (18:20-24), and all the blood shed on the earth. Compare Jesus' words in Luke 11:49f and Luke 13:33f.



So, here is what have in Revelation.



John saw the Most Holy Place open, but no man could enter until God's wrath was completed in the outpouring of the Seventh Vial.



But, God's wrath would be finished in the outpouring of wrath against Babylon (Revelation 16:17f).



Babylon was Old Covenant Jerusalem.



Therefore, entrance into the Most Holy Place would be opened when God's wrath was completed in the judgment of Old Covenant Jerusalem.





The chart will help visualize the comparision of Luke 21, Hebrews, and Revelation, and the concept of entering the MHP.



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Luke 21 Fall of Jerusalem (v. 20f)



Hebrews 9-10 End of Old Covenant System (v.6)



Revelation 15-19 Judgment on Babylon (16:7f) (Jerusalem)



2.



Luke 21 Days of Vengeance fulfilled (v. 22)



Hebrews 9-10 Time of Vengeance (10:26-37)



Revelation 15-19 Completion of God's Wrath (15:8; 16:7f)



3.



Luke 21 Coming of Redemption, Kingdom (v. 28, 32)



Hebrews 9-10 Entrance into Most Holy Place (9:6f)



Revelation 15-19 Entrance into Most Holy Place (15:1,8)



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Luke 21 At Coming of the Lord (v. 26f)



Hebrews 9-10 At Coming of the Lord (10:37)



Revelation 15-19 At Coming of the Lord (chapter 19)



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Luke 21 In Jesus' generation (v. 32)



Hebrews 9-10 In a very, very little while (10:37)



Revelation 15-19 "Behold I come quickly" (22:12,20)



In Luke, the judgment against Jerusalem would fulfill God's vengeance, and bring redemption. Hebrews (10:26-37) depicts the removal of the Old Covenant system, (at the time of Christ's coming in judgment), as opening the way to the Most Holy Place . In Revelation, God's wrath is consummated in the judgment against Babylon, resulting in access to the Most Holy Place! The parallels positively demonstrate that the time when entrance into the Most Holy Place would be opened was at the end of the Mosaic Covenant world, with the removal of the City and the Temple.



Daniel 9 said that "seventy weeks are determined for your people, and for your holy city, and the end of that vision would bring the atonement, the putting away of sin, and the arrival of everlasting righteousness. It would bring in the realization of the hopes of Israel. But, the end thereof would be with an overwhelming flood. The arrival of the new world of righteousness would signal the end of the old world of sin, death, and futility. Or as Eusebius stated it, "It is quite clear that the seven times seventy weeks ... was therefore the period determined for Daniel's people, which limited the total length of the Jewish nation's existence."



Unless Luke, Hebrews and Revelation were anticipating the arrival of a totally different salvation fulfillment of Israel's promises, then we must see that their referent to "the time of reformation," the time of redemption and the kingdom (Luke 21), and the time when man could enter the Most Holy Place (Revelation), as the same identical time. All three of them posit the arrival of these blessings as the parousia of Christ, as the chart shows. Those blessings would arrive at the time of the parousia- and thus the resurrection.



So, if they were in fact anticipating the fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy, that meant that Daniel's seventy weeks were not completed previously, but that they would be filled up at the cataclysmic removal of the cultus that had stood as a barrier to man for 1,500 years. And, this means, without doubt, that the parousia and resurrection belong inseparably to the coming of Christ at the end of the seventy weeks of Daniel 9, when Christ came and brought that old system to an end in the "overwhelming flood" of destruction of A.D. 70.



Finally, the millennialists have a severe problem in regard to their fundamentally important gap theory, the making of the atonement, and the death of Jesus. There is no question that Daniel was told "seventy weeks are determined, to make atonement for sin." As we have seen, this involves not the subjective appropriation of the atonement, but the objective process of making atonement. Boutflower well notes that the Hebrew word that is translated here in Daniel 9, is the identical word, "that occurs so frequently in the Book of Leviticus." (Daniel, 183). His point is that the making of atonement does not refer to an event divorced from the process of atonement. It is in fact the process of making the atonement that is the focus. In other words, it involved Christ fulfilling the typological high priestly atonement practices! That means his death, the offering of the his blood in the MHP, and his parousia. But, this is where the difficulty comes in.



The millennialists tells us the death of Jesus does not belong to the seventy weeks of Daniel 9! They point out, correctly so, that the death of Jesus would be after the 69th week, and while that would seem to demand that his death occurred in the pivotal 70th week, it is insisted that the death of Jesus actually postponed the prophetic countdown! Thus, Jesus' death, which is for the atonement, does not, per the millennialists, belong to the seventy weeks at all! Exactly how the atoning death of Jesus does not actually belong to the seventy week countdown the millennialists do not explain. Indeed, some even argue that the words "make reconciliation for iniquity," "seems to be rather clear picture of the cross of Christ in which Christ reconciled Israel as well as the world to himself (2 Cor. 5:19)." However, Walvoord and other millennialists insist the application of what Christ did on the Cross still awaits the parousia, and so, it is argued, the consummation of the seventy weeks has been postponed.

Don K Preston

 

[BABerean2]

What was finished at the Cross?

Good question...

A New Covenant was promised to Jeremiah.

Jer 31:31　 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:　
Jer 31:32　 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:　
Jer 31:33　 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.　
Jer 31:34　 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.　

We find the timeline of the Messiah who will fulfill the New Covenant in Daniel chapter 9.

Dan 9:24　 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
　

At the Last Supper the Messiah said He would fulfill the New Covenant in His Blood.

Mat 26:28　 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.　


Paul said those in the Corinthian church were ministers of the New Covenant.
Present tense before 70 AD.

2Co 3:6　 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
　

The writer of Hebrews used the present tense word "now" to describe that Christ was already the mediator of the New Covenant, before 70 AD.

Heb 8:6　 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.　


Below we find the word testament instead of covenant. They are both derived from the same Greek word.
The text reveals that the covenant goes into effect with the death of the testator of the covenant.

Heb_9:16　 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb_9:17　 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.


Christ was the mediator of the New Covenant when the Book of Hebrews was written. Some estimate the date near 65 AD.

Heb 12:24　 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.　

What you and Don Preston are claiming to make your doctrine work, does not match the text.

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[random person]

Good question...

A New Covenant was promised to Jeremiah.

Jer 31:31　 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:　
Jer 31:32　 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:　
Jer 31:33　 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.　
Jer 31:34　 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.　

We find the timeline of the Messiah who will fulfill the New Covenant in Daniel chapter 9.

Dan 9:24　 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
　

At the Last Supper the Messiah said He would fulfill the New Covenant in His Blood.

Mat 26:28　 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.　


Paul said those in the Corinthian church were ministers of the New Covenant.
Present tense before 70 AD.

2Co 3:6　 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
　

The writer of Hebrews used the present tense word "now" to describe that Christ was already the mediator of the New Covenant, before 70 AD.

Heb 8:6　 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.　


Below we find the word testament instead of covenant. They are both derived from the same Greek word.
The text reveals that the covenant goes into effect with the death of the testator of the covenant.

Heb_9:16　 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb_9:17　 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.


Christ was the mediator of the New Covenant when the Book of Hebrews was written. Some estimate the date near 65 AD.

Heb 12:24　 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.　

What you and Don Preston are claiming to make your doctrine work, does not match the text.

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Paul wrote if Christ did not rise from the dead, our faith is in vain. The New Covenant wasn't fully consummated at the Cross, and the Old Covenant wasn't fully consummated until A.D. 70.

What is the hope and promise of Old Covenant Israel? The Resurrection. You can not remove the Old Covenant until it is fully consummated including the Last Days of Old Covenant Israel as prophecied in Deut. 32 and the Resurrection which is the very hope and promise given to Old Covenant Israel by God was fulfilled.

The Old Covenant was still binding until A.D. 70 see Hebrews 8:13.



Did the Resurrection occur at any time between A.D. 30 to A.D. 69? No.

I do not believe Adam and Eve were ever immortal but could extend their lives as long as they had access to the Tree of Life. However, they sinned and lost their heavenly inheritance. That very day, they died the spiritual death and suffered eternal separation from God. There was no physical death involved. This is the very death Christ resurrected us from was the eternal spiritual separation from God. Christ raised us up from Hades in A.D. 70, but isn't going to raise us physically up from the grave. There is no need. We were resurrected up from Hades in A.D. 70. Christ regained what Adam lost, and that is the indwelling presence of God and an eternal inheritance in heaven.

Read very carefully Matthew 5:17-18, Jesus did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

Heaven and earth is Mosaic Covenant (Isaiah 51:15-16 read this passage in the KJV/NKJV, it is rendered best in these two versions). God planted the Heavens once He delivered Old Covenant Israel from Egypt and laid the foundations of the earth once He delivered Old Covenant Israel the Law on Sinai.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to FULFILL. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, (THE MOSAIC COVENANT NOT THE MATERIAL UNIVERSE) one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till ALL be fulfilled (TIL ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS ARE FULFILLED).

Compare the above passage with Daniel 12:7; Matthew 24:34; Luke 21:22; and Luke 21:32.... UNTIL ALL THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS IS FULFILLED.

 

[random person]

Read my signature.

Both animals and mankind in the original Hebrew are named on equal terms as nephesh.

Death = Eternal separation from God. Not physical immortality being removed or lost.

 

[BABerean2]

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to FULFILL. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, (THE MOSAIC COVENANT NOT THE MATERIAL UNIVERSE) one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till ALL be fulfilled (TIL ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS ARE FULFILLED).

You are starting to use circular reasoning in some of your arguments about 70 AD, in an attempt to make your doctrine work.

That is fine with me because others watching this conversation or coming back to it at a later time are going to see the truth based on scripture. The following is an example.

You claim the New Covenant was not completely fulfilled until 70 AD...

Mat 26:28　 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.　

Joh 19:30　 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.　

Mat_27:51　 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split,

Mar_15:38　 Then the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom.

Luk_23:45　 Then the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was torn in two.


2Co 3:6　 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.　

Heb 8:6　 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.　

The Old Covenant was fulfilled at the Cross by the only One who ever kept it. The ripping of the veil was the symbol of the end of the whole Old Covenant system.

It also brought in the Grace of the New Covenant through Christ's one-time sacrifice.

He was already sitting at the Father's right hand about 40 years before 70 AD, because He had finished the work given to Him.

All completed before 70 AD...

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[John Hyperspace]

The Importance Of the Typology of the Day Of Atonement In Relation To The Second Coming Of Christ And The Resurrection

All Futurists and Partial Preterists... I challenge you to read this article. 1 Thessalonians 5:21

I read the article, but I have two main reasons for rejecting the idea.

1. It's not in the bible. There's nothing in the bible about a war or temple destruction in 70 a.d. So the article is asking me to believe that God recorded the fulfillment of the spring festivals and the crucifixion and resurrection, in four different books, plus five counting the book of the Acts... but did not record by His own hand the "completion event" of the "atonement"? God just left the Fall festivals completely out of the bible? And now to fully understand the atonement work of Christ, I need not only the bible, but what? Josephus' History? Apologies, but no way. No way I accept that as even remotely true. If 70a.d. were so important that it not only fulfilled prophecy, but actually contained the second coming of Jesus Christ and completed work of His atonement, then it would be written about in the bible.

2. Jesus fulfilled the Passover on Passover. He didn't fulfill Passover on some random day of the year; it was on Passover itself. He fulfilled Firstfruits on the actual day of Firstfruits, and He fulfilled Pentecost on Pentecost. He didn't fulfill them one in this year, one in that year and one in the other: they were all fulfilled in succession in one season. Since this shows the way the Spring festivals were fulfilled there is no reason not to expect the Fall festivals to be fulfilled the same way: on time, and in succession in their season. That didn't happen, so they must be yet to come, and they weren't recorded in the bible because they didn't happen.

 

[random person]

I read the article, but I have two main reasons for rejecting the idea.

1. It's not in the bible. There's nothing in the bible about a war or temple destruction in 70 a.d. So the article is asking me to believe that God recorded the fulfillment of the spring festivals and the crucifixion and resurrection, in four different books, plus five counting the book of the Acts... but did not record by His own hand the "completion event" of the "atonement"? God just left the Fall festivals completely out of the bible? And now to fully understand the atonement work of Christ, I need not only the bible, but what? Josephus' History? Apologies, but no way. No way I accept that as even remotely true. If 70a.d. were so important that it not only fulfilled prophecy, but actually contained the second coming of Jesus Christ and completed work of His atonement, then it would be written about in the bible.

2. Jesus fulfilled the Passover on Passover. He didn't fulfill Passover on some random day of the year; it was on Passover itself. He fulfilled Firstfruits on the actual day of Firstfruits, and He fulfilled Pentecost on Pentecost. He didn't fulfill them one in this year, one in that year and one in the other: they were all fulfilled in succession in one season. Since this shows the way the Spring festivals were fulfilled there is no reason not to expect the Fall festivals to be fulfilled the same way: on time, and in succession in their season. That didn't happen, so they must be yet to come, and they weren't recorded in the bible because they didn't happen.

Um.. what is the Seventy Weeks and The Olivet Discourse and Revelation about?

 

[random person]

You are starting to use circular reasoning in some of your arguments about 70 AD, in an attempt to make your doctrine work.

That is fine with me because others watching this conversation or coming back to it at a later time are going to see the truth based on scripture. The following is an example.

You claim the New Covenant was not completely fulfilled until 70 AD...

Mat 26:28　 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.　

Joh 19:30　 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.　

Mat_27:51　 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split,

Mar_15:38　 Then the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom.

Luk_23:45　 Then the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was torn in two.


2Co 3:6　 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.　

Heb 8:6　 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.　

The Old Covenant was fulfilled at the Cross by the only One who ever kept it. The ripping of the veil was the symbol of the end of the whole Old Covenant system.

It also brought in the Grace of the New Covenant through Christ's one-time sacrifice.

He was already sitting at the Father's right hand about 40 years before 70 AD, because He had finished the work given to Him.

All completed before 70 AD...

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Check out how Josephus describes heaven and earth in The Antiquities of the Jews:

As for the inside, Moses parted its length into three partitions. At the distance of ten cubits from the most secret end, Moses placed four pillars, the workmanship of which was the very same with that of the rest; and they stood upon the like bases with them, each a small matter distant from his fellow. Now the room within those pillars was the most holy place; but the rest of the room was the tabernacle, which was open for the priests. However, this proportion of the measures of the tabernacle proved to be an imitation of the system of the world; for that third part thereof which was within the four pillars, to which the priests were not admitted, is, as it were, a heaven peculiar to God. But the space of the twenty cubits, is, as it were, sea and land, on which men live, and so this part is peculiar to the priests only. But at the front, where the entrance was made, they placed pillars of gold, that stood on bases of brass, in number seven; but then they spread over the tabernacle veils of fine linen and purple, and blue, and scarlet colors, embroidered. The first veil was ten cubits every way, and this they spread over the pillars which parted the temple, and kept the most holy place concealed within; and this veil was that which made this part not visible to any. Now the whole temple was called The Holy Place: but that part which was within the four pillars, and to which none were admitted, was called The Holy of Holies. This veil was very ornamental, and embroidered with all sorts of flowers which the earth produces; and there were interwoven into it all sorts of variety that might be an ornament, excepting the forms of animals.

The Antiquities of the Jews 3.6.4

Now here one may wonder at the ill-will which men bear to us, and which they profess to bear on account of our despising that Deity which they pretend to honor; for if any one do but consider the fabric of the tabernacle, and take a view of the garments of the high priest, and of those vessels which we make use of in our sacred ministration, he will find that our legislator was a divine man, and that we are unjustly reproached by others; for if any one do without prejudice, and with judgment, look upon these things, he will find they were every one made in way of imitation and representation of the universe. When Moses distinguished the tabernacle into three parts, and allowed two of them to the priests, as a place accessible and common, he denoted the land and the sea, these being of general access to all; but he set apart the third division for God, because heaven is inaccessible to men. And when he ordered twelve loaves to be set on the table, he denoted the year, as distinguished into so many months. By branching out the candlestick into seventy parts, he secretly intimated the Decani, or seventy divisions of the planets; and as to the seven lamps upon the candlesticks, they referred to the course of the planets, of which that is the number. The veils, too, which were composed of four things, they declared the four elements; for the fine linen was proper to signify the earth, because the flax grows out of the earth; the purple signified the sea, because that color is dyed by the blood of a sea shell-fish; the blue is fit to signify the air; and the scarlet will naturally be an indication of fire. Now the vestment of the high priest being made of linen, signified the earth; the blue denoted the sky, being like lightning in its pomegranates, and in the noise of the bells resembling thunder. And for the ephod, it showed that God had made the universe of four elements; and as for the gold interwoven, I suppose it related to the splendor by which all things are enlightened. He also appointed the breastplate to be placed in the middle of the ephod, to resemble the earth, for that has the very middle place of the world. And the girdle which encompassed the high priest round, signified the ocean, for that goes round about and includes the universe. Each of the sardonyxes declares to us the sun and the moon; those, I mean, that were in the nature of buttons on the high priest's shoulders. And for the twelve stones, whether we understand by them the months, or whether we understand the like number of the signs of that circle which the Greeks call the Zodiac, we shall not be mistaken in their meaning. And for the mitre, which was of a blue color, it seems to me to mean heaven; for how otherwise could the name of God be inscribed upon it? That it was also illustrated with a crown, and that of gold also, is because of that splendor with which God is pleased. Let this explication suffice at present, since the course of my narration will often, and on many occasions, afford me the opportunity of enlarging upon the virtue of our legislator.

The Antiquities Of The Jews 3.7.7

This is the heaven and earth Jesus was referring to in Matthew 5:17-18.

This is the heaven and earth Jesus was referring to in the Olivet Discourse.

This is the heaven and earth Deuteronomy 32:1 was referring to.

This is the heaven and earth Isaiah 51:15-16 was referring to.

This is the heaven and earth 2 Peter 3:10-13 was referring to.

This is the heaven and earth Isaiah 65 and Isaiah 66 and Revelation 21 was eluding to.

Heaven and earth is Old Covenant Israel and its temple cultus.

In fact, when Jesus was teaching the Olivet Discourse, the Mt of Olives would have overlooked the Second Temple, in full view of the disciples, at the very moment he prophesied these words.

If it is speaking about the material heaven and earth that is contradicting the promises of God in the following verses:

And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth. Neither will I ever again strike down EVERY LIVING creature as I have done.

Genesis 8:21

In his days may the righteous flourish,
and peace abound, till the moon be no more!

May his name endure forever,
his fame continue as long as the sun!
May people be blessed in him,
all nations call him blessed!

Psalms 72:7,17

He built his sanctuary like the high heavens,
like the earth, which he has founded forever.

Psalms 78:69

His offspring shall endure forever,
his throne as long as the sun before me.
Like the moon it shall be established forever,
a faithful witness in the skies.” Selah

Psalms 89:36-37

He set the earth on its foundations,
so that it should never be moved.



Psalms 104:5

Praise him, you highest heavens,
and you waters above the heavens!
Let them praise the name of the Lord!
For he commanded and they were created.
And he established them forever and ever;
he gave a decree, and it shall not pass away

Psalms 148:4-6

A generation goes, and a generation comes,
but the earth remains forever.

Ecclesiastes 1:4

to him be glory IN the church and in Christ Jesus THROUGHOUT ALL generations, forever and ever. Amen.

Ephesians 3:21

 

[random person]

You are starting to use circular reasoning in some of your arguments about 70 AD, in an attempt to make your doctrine work.

That is fine with me because others watching this conversation or coming back to it at a later time are going to see the truth based on scripture. The following is an example.

You claim the New Covenant was not completely fulfilled until 70 AD...

Mat 26:28　 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.　

Joh 19:30　 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.　

Mat_27:51　 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split,

Mar_15:38　 Then the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom.

Luk_23:45　 Then the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was torn in two.


2Co 3:6　 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.　

Heb 8:6　 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.　

The Old Covenant was fulfilled at the Cross by the only One who ever kept it. The ripping of the veil was the symbol of the end of the whole Old Covenant system.

It also brought in the Grace of the New Covenant through Christ's one-time sacrifice.

He was already sitting at the Father's right hand about 40 years before 70 AD, because He had finished the work given to Him.

All completed before 70 AD...

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What promises to Israel/the Fathers was fulfilled at the Cross?

How was the Law and all of its Promises completely fulfilled at the Cross?

What was finished at the Cross was the trial and death of Jesus, the initiation of the New Covenant but not its completion neither the completion of the Old Covenant ... a la the Law and ALL of its Promises.

You are divorcing Old Covenant Israel from all of its promised fulfillments in both the Law and the Prophets... the New Covenant is the perfected fulfillment of the Law and the Prophets... a la ALL the Promises and Prophecies to the Fathers... Old Covenant Israel fulfillments remain incomplete at the Cross, do you understand?

Paul preached the hope of Old Covenant Israel and the promise to the fathers (future tense not yet fulfilled)! What is the hope of Israel and the promise to the fathers? The Resurrection.

Heaven and Earth (Old Covenant Israel and its temple cultus) will not pass away until all that is written in the Law and the Prophets are first fulfilled. Matthew 5:17-18!

 

[mmksparbud]

Jesus did reappear after the atonement sacrifice---He was resurrected and seen by many. That fulfilled all the symbolism of the sanctuary atonement. When Mary came to Him He would not allow her to cling to Him, as He had not yet ascended to his Father. Yet later He allowed the disciples to handle Him and touch His wounds. He did ascend to His Father and had His sacrifice accepted in between, else He would not have been able to be handled at all by anyone.
Joh_20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

 

[random person]

Jesus did reappear after the atonement sacrifice---He was resurrected and seen by many. That fulfilled all the symbolism of the sanctuary atonement. When Mary came to Him He would not allow her to cling to Him, as He had not yet ascended to his Father. Yet later He allowed the disciples to handle Him and touch His wounds. He did ascend to His Father and had His sacrifice accepted in between, else He would not have been able to be handled at all by anyone.
Joh_20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

No, Christ follows the whole liturgical typology of the Old Covenant High Priest.

The High Priest entered the Most Holy Place to offer the atonement sacrifices for himself, family, and all of Israel:

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Hebrews 9:14

For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

Hebrews 9:24-25

The High Priest exited the Most Holy Place to declare atonement and salvation of all of Israel:

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Hebrews 9:28

Did the High Priest killing the sacrifice itself complete the atonement process?

Did the High Priest entering the Most Holy Place to offer the sacrifice complete the atonement process?

Or did the High Priest's return (or rather the High Priest's second coming pardon the pun) declaring atonement and salvation complete the atonement process?

 

[BABerean2]

Neither will I ever again strike down EVERY LIVING creature as I have done.

Correct. He will never strike down every living creature again with water. For some reason you ignored the last 4 words in the verse...

Next time, it will be by fire.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.

2Pe 3:11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,

2Pe 3:12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn!

2Pe 3:13 But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Righteousness did not dwell on the earth after 70 AD.


2Th 1:7 and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels

2Th 1:8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

2Th 1:9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,

2Th 1:10 when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed.


Mat_3:11 "I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.


Dan 3:24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar was astonished and rose up in haste. He declared to his counselors, "Did we not cast three men bound into the fire?" They answered and said to the king, "True, O king."
Dan 3:25 He answered and said, "But I see four men unbound, walking in the midst of the fire, and they are not hurt; and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods."

Who was and is the fourth man in the fire?




Mat_25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.


Rev 20:9 And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them,

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[random person]

Correct. He will never strike down every living creature again with water. For some reason you ignored the last 4 words in the verse...

Next time, it will be by fire.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.

2Pe 3:11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,

2Pe 3:12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn!

2Pe 3:13 But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.



Righteousness did not dwell on the earth after 70 AD.


2Th 1:7 and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels

2Th 1:8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

2Th 1:9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,

2Th 1:10 when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed.


Mat_3:11 "I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Rev 20:9 And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them,

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Show me where it says anything about water in this passage in Genesis 8, is it possible you are confusing this passage with Genesis 9?

Genesis 8 makes no mention of fire or water, simply states God will never again destroy all living creatures ever again.