Dangerous Days in 2012 & Revelations timeline

[pgp_protector]

You also claimed that the Abomination of Desolation and sudden destruction would occur today. So what was the AoD and where is the sudden destruction?

Aww did we miss another one?

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5-11-12. Abomination of Desolation and Sudden Destruction. 10-29-08 plus 1290 days = 5-11-12. The pattern is: Abomination of desolation on the 1290th day, sudden destruction, then the sun darkens (solar eclipse on 5-20-12), and the moon is darkened (the lunar eclipse on 6-4-12). Immediately following these events, the sign of the Son of Man in heaven (6-25-12, 5th of Tammuz UFO) and then a (false) rapture.
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[Gnarwhal]

You also claimed that the Abomination of Desolation and sudden destruction would occur today. So what was the AoD and where is the sudden destruction?

Aww did we miss another one?

Ahhh this is just fun sometimes.

 

[Bible2]

tranquil said in post #20:

The antichrist will sit in both people's minds and in the 3rd Temple.

Re: the 3rd temple, it will indeed be built, for Rev. 11:1-2, Mt. 24:15, Dan. 11:31,36, & 2 Thes. 2:4 require there will be a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem during the future trib. It will coexist with the church like the 2nd temple did (Lk. 24:53, Acts 22:17) & like the temple building in heaven does (Rev. 11:19). It could be built on Jerusalem's Temple Mount by the ultra-Orthodox Jews after they clear the site by destroying the Muslim Dome of the Rock & the Al Aqsa Mosque. Shortly after they build it, the AC could attack & defeat them & a false Messiah leading them (Dan. 11:22). Then the AC could "cut" a peace treaty with them & their false "Messiah" (Dan. 9:26a, 11:23a) permitting them to keep the temple & to continue to perform the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices in front of it for at least 7 more years (Dan. 9:27a), so long as they give up the temple's outer court (Rev. 11:2a) to the Muslims so the Muslims can rebuild the Al Aqsa Mosque on the southern end of the Temple Mount & resume worship there. The ultra-Orthodox Jews could grudgingly agree to this, if the only other option is for them to lose the temple entirely. They could then build a high wall between the temple & the mosque, in order to keep the temple from being defiled.

But then, only some 3.5 years after making the peace treaty, the AC will break the treaty, attack the temple, stop the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices, place the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the AC) in the holy place of the temple (Dan. 9:27b, 11:31, Mt. 24:15), & then sit himself in the temple & proclaim himself God (2 Thes. 2:4, Dan. 11:36). Thus could begin the AC's literal 3.5-year Luciferian (Satanic) worldwide reign of terror (Rev. 13:4-18, 2 Thes. 2:9). (See also the "3rd temple" parts of post #21)

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tranquil said in post #28:

I made a mistake about the Pope on April 11, in inferring that the Pope and the Catholic Church was a part of Mystery Babylon.

The corrupt aspects of the RCC (as well as of other churches) are included in what the symbolic harlot "Babylon" (Rev. chs. 17-18) represents. But she represents much more than just the corrupt aspects of the RCC. For the RCC just by itself doesn't reign over the kings of the earth (Rev. 17:18). Nor is the RCC the only place on the earth where people buy merchandise (Rev. 18:11). Nor is the RCC the place where all martyrs have been killed (Rev. 18:24). Nor has the RCC just by itself corrupted the entire world (Rev. 18:3). Nor has the RCC been continuously supported by the empires of fallen man throughout history (Rev. 17:7,9-10).

Does anyone out there know what Mystery Babylon is?

See the "Babylon" part of post #26.

 

[Bible2]

tranquil said in post #28:

PositivID is the new name for Verichip, the mark of the beast.

While the Antichrist (the AC) could seek to inject RFID microchips into everyone (which could be used like debit cards), the microchips would be separate from the "mark of the beast" (Rev. 16:2, 13:16-18). For Rev. 13:17b-18 shows it won't be a microchip, but only the AC's name or the gematrial number of his name (666). Also, Rev. 13:16's original Greek shows the mark will be placed only "on" (epi), not inside, people's right hands or foreheads, & probably by scarification (see post #37).

I know, I know, half the people on this eschatology board don’t believe in a mark of the beast or an antichrist…

All Christians should believe in both the mark of the beast (see post #37) & the Antichrist. For the man commonly called the Antichrist (the AC) is the "man of sin" (2 Thes. 2:3) who'll sit in a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem & proclaim himself God (2 Thes. 2:4, Dan. 11:36). He's the individual "man" aspect of the "beast" who'll come (Rev. 13:18) & bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) & himself (Rev. 13:4,8, 12:9). He'll rule the earth for 3.5 literal years (Rev. 13:5-10, Dan. 7:25, 12:7) & will have a miracle-working False Prophet (FP) (Rev. 19:20, 16:13) who by amazing Luciferian/Satanic miracles (cf. 2 Thes. 2:9), such as calling fire down from heaven (Rev. 13:13), will deceive the world into worshipping a speaking (possibly an android) image of the AC (Rev. 13:15) & receiving a mark of the AC's name or gematrial name-number (666) on the right hand or forehead (Rev. 13:16-18). The AC & his FP will ultimately be cast into the lake of fire at Jesus' 2nd coming (Rev. 19:20), while at that time Satan will be bound in the bottomless pit for 1,000 years (Rev. 20:1-3). None of these things has happened yet.

The idea of a future, individual-man AC was correctly recognized in the scriptures by the church from early on. Irenaeus (born c. 140 AD) used the term: "speaking of Antichrist, [Paul] says, 'who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped'" (Against Heresies 3:6:5; 2 Thes. 2:4); "...by means of the events which shall occur in the time of Antichrist is it shown that he, being an apostate and a robber, is anxious to be adored as God" (Against Heresies 5:25:1; 2 Thes. 2:4, Dan. 11:36, Rev. 13:8); "...when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at Jerusalem" (Against Heresies 5:30:4b; Rev. 13:5, 2 Thes. 2:4, Dan. 7:25, 12:7); "...the number of the name of the beast ... the name of Antichrist" (Against Heresies 5:30:1; Rev. 13:17c-18).

The gematrial numerical values of the letters in the AC's name will add up to 666 (Rev. 13:17c-18).

 

[Jipsah]

Re: the 3rd temple, it will indeed be built

Nope. That fable is a matter of putting doctrine before Scripture.

 

[Jipsah]

While the Antichrist (the AC) could seek to inject RFID microchips into everyone

He also could buck dance down Pennsylvania Avenue wearing a zoot suit. Could is wonderful, isn't it?

 

[Bible2]

Jipsah said in post #45:

That fable is a matter of putting doctrine before Scripture.

The 3rd temple isn't a fable, but's based on the scriptures (see post #43).

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post #46:

He also could buck dance down Pennsylvania Avenue wearing a zoot suit.

Re: Pennsylvania Avenue, instead of ever being in the U.S., based on the scriptures, the Antichrist (the AC), during his future, literal 3.5-yr. worldwide reign (Rev. 13:4-18) could remain in the Middle East & Europe (see the "Dan 2:41" part of post #22).

Re: a zoot suit, instead of being a Chicano, the AC, based on the scriptures, could be could have grown up as a Druze Arab, in Lebanon, in the modern city of Tyre (Ezek. 28:2, 2 Thes. 2:4). So he could at 1st present himself to the world as being of the (quasi-Islamic) Druze religion, which is waiting for the 2nd coming of a God-man named "Hakim". The AC's last name could be "Hakim", & he could at 1st present himself to the Druze people as the fulfillment of the 2nd coming of the God-man. In this way, he could get the Druze to support him without question during an initial rise to power among the Arabs. The Druze Arabs could be the numerically "small people" of Dan. 11:23. The AC could make them his completely-devoted bodyguard, & buy them many key positions of power within a future United Arab States (which the AC could become the leader of in the 1st stage of his world takeover) & employ them as loyal spies at all levels of his United Arab government & military.

The Druze religion is very secretive. What it teaches to its higher-level initiates isn't even taught to its lower-level initiates. What it could teach to its higher-level initiates could basically be Gnosticism mixed in with the Hakim God-man idea. The AC himself, while outwardly a Druze, could inwardly be a Gnostic Luciferian. He could be a highest-level initiate of a worldwide secret society which ultimately teaches Gnostic Luciferianism, but keeps this a secret even from its own members who haven't been initiated into its highest level.

Because the AC & his False Prophet (FP) (possibly masquerading as Jesus) will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 Jn. 2:22) & will deny that Christ is in the flesh (1 Jn. 4:3), & because they'll bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) instead (Rev. 13:4, 12:9), they could lie & say that (the non-mortal flesh) Lucifer is the Christ, that the new name of Christ (Rev. 3:12c) is "Lucifer Christ". For just as "Lucifer" means "the morning star", so Christ is the morning star (Rev. 22:16b). Also, Christ identified himself with the serpent (Jn. 3:14), & Lucifer is the serpent (Rev. 12:9). Also, Christ said "Ye are gods" (Jn. 10:34), & it was the serpent who said "ye shall be as gods" (Gen. 3:5).

The truth is Lucifer fell from his office of morning star (Isa. 14:12) & became Satan (cf. Lk. 10:18); Jesus the Christ has taken over the office of morning star (Rev. 22:16). And Jesus Christ identified himself with only the brass serpent on the pole in Num. 21:8-9 (Jn. 3:14), which typified Jesus Christ's crucifixion for our sins (Jn. 19:16, Mt. 26:28). And in Jn. 10:34, Jesus Christ (Jn. 20:31) was quoting YHWH in Ps. 82:6-7, which shows even though humans have the knowledge of good & evil as gods do (Gen. 3:22), they'll still die like humans (Ps. 82:7), contradicting the serpent's lie (Gen. 3:4). Nonetheless, the AC could falsely say Lucifer is the Christ & the true & beneficent God of mankind, & the FP is the miracle-working prophet Jesus (Jn. 3:2, Acts 3:22-24), returned to point the world to the true Christ/God. The AC could falsely say that he (the AC) is the human/divine Son of Lucifer, who must be worshipped as God along with Lucifer (Rev. 13:4,8). This would be similar to how Biblical Christians now rightly worship the human/divine Jesus Christ (Jn. 1:1,14) as God (the Son) along with God the Father (Jn. 20:28, Heb. 1:8).

 

[Gary7]

The antichrist will probably not be gay. The verse that states he "will not regard the desire of women" in Daniel 11:37 is probably referring to birth control. The desire of women is to have children. He will probably limit births to one or two per mother.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The antichrist will probably not be gay. The verse that states he "will not regard the desire of women" in Daniel 11:37 is probably referring to birth control. The desire of women is to have children. He will probably limit births to one or two per mother.

Or just close up their womb where they cannot bare children. God did that a few times in the OT if I remember correctly

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[brinny]

or it could mean that he has the gift of celibacy

 

[Almighty's humble servant]

The antichrist will probably not be gay. The verse that states he "will not regard the desire of women" in Daniel 11:37 is probably referring to birth control. The desire of women is to have children. He will probably limit births to one or two per mother.

I agree he will not likely be gay. How could a gay man deceive Christendom into believing he is a "reincarnation", another coming of the Christ, Jesus.

However, having the desire for women would ALSO derail that cause. Our Master, Jesus, desired each to be His as His bride. But His was not a life to be led as a man of this world.

When antichrist is come into this world, he too will desire to marry mankind, soas to bring mankind into the worship of his kind.

Should a person show more affection for one sex than the other, how could one accomplish such a deception.

While I would not dare claim the office of the papacy the antichrist, in this manner, the shoe fits. However, it is my belief that the office is set there to herald the coming of the a/c and bring the world into his worship being decieved by it many wonders and miracles and giving the officer similar powers to work wonders.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Gary7 The antichrist will probably not be gay. The verse that states he "will not regard the desire of women" in Daniel 11:37 is probably referring to birth control. The desire of women is to have children. He will probably limit births to one or two per mother.

or it could mean that he has the gift of celibacy

Eh?

Wat up wit dat

http://www.christianforums.com/t7659467/
Cardinal Creates Ruckus Demanding Celibacy for Eastern Priests

 

[Bible2]

Almighty's humble servant said in post #51:

How could a gay man deceive Christendom into believing he is a "reincarnation", another coming of the Christ, Jesus.

The Antichrist (the AC) won't ever claim to be Christ (see post #22).

Also, while the AC could be homosexual (whether secretly or openly), that's not what "nor the desire of women" in Dan. 11:37 means. Instead, it means the AC won't worship the god which women desire to worship (cf. Ezek. 8:14b).

While I would not dare claim the office of the papacy the antichrist, in this manner, the shoe fits.

The AC, during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Rev. 13:5-18), won't support the RCC (in its past & current form), insofar as the RCC affirms that Jesus is the Christ, whereas the AC will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 Jn. 2:22). And the RCC affirms that Jesus is the Son of God, whereas the AC will deny that Jesus is the Son of God (1 Jn. 2:22b). And the RCC affirms that Christ is in the flesh, whereas the AC (like the Gnostics) will deny that Christ is in the flesh (2 Jn. 1:7). And the RCC affirms that the God of the Bible (YHWH) is the true God, whereas the AC (like the Gnostics) will utterly revile YHWH (Rev. 13:6, Dan. 11:36). And the RCC affirms that the only man who's God is Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whereas the AC will say he (the AC) is God (2 Thes. 2:4, Dan. 11:36). And the RCC affirms that Lucifer (Satan) is evil, whereas the AC will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon) (Rev. 13:4, 12:9). So the AC's religion during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign won't be the RCC's in its past & current form, but a blend of Luciferianism & Gnosticism.

Nonetheless, before Lucifer gives the AC power over all nations (Rev. 13:4-7), the AC, & the man who'll be his False Prophet (his FP) (Rev. 19:20) (who could be a future, apostate pope), could at 1st pretend to wholly support Catholicism in its current form (as well as Christianity generally, & also Islam), in order to start gaining a worldwide following.

However, it is my belief that the office is set there to herald the coming of the a/c and bring the world into his worship being decieved by it many wonders and miracles and giving the officer similar powers to work wonders.

That's possible, for the beast which comes up out of the earth (Rev. 13:11-16) represents the individual man who'll become the AC's FP (Rev. 19:20, 16:13). And the FP could currently be a (secretly apostate) cardinal in the RCC, preparing himself to become the next pope. If he becomes the next pope, he could begin his tenure by making a great push for peace & unity between Christianity & Islam. He could say something like: "Why do we fight each other? Are we not all the spiritual children of Abraham and of his God, the one God? Can't we lay aside our foolish, man-made differences of theology, which have done us no good at all, but only brought us hatred and violence, and unite into one religion of Abraham, one religion of peace, based on love for the one God and love for our fellow man? What's more important than this?"

He could be so skillful in elucidating what the moderate Muslims could call "the true, peaceful, loving nature of Islam", that he could be hailed by them worldwide as (in their words) "A Great Imam, come to rescue our beloved Islam from the bad reputation falsely given to it by the terrorists". In this way, the next pope could come to hold high positions of power in 2 religions at the same time, which could be symbolized by the 2 horns of the FP lamb (Rev. 13:11). This would be similar to how the 7 horns of the true-Jesus lamb in Rev. 5:6 could represent the true Jesus holding 7 positions of power at the same time (cf. Jesus wearing many crowns at the same time in Rev. 19:12). The FP could even say that he is Jesus. (See also the last 2 paragraphs of post #47)

 

[Douggg]

The Antichrist (the AC) won't ever claim to be Christ (see post #22).

Also, while the AC could be homosexual (whether secretly or openly), that's not what "nor the desire of women" in Dan. 11:37 means. Instead, it means the AC won't worship the god which women desire to worship (cf. Ezek. 8:14b).

No, it does not mean that. It means that he will have no regard for the God of his fathers. He will be a Jew.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Nonetheless, before Lucifer gives the AC power over all nations (Rev. 13:4-7), the AC, & the man who'll be his False Prophet (his FP) (Rev. 19:20) (who could be a future, apostate pope), could at 1st pretend to wholly support Catholicism in its current form (as well as Christianity generally, & also Islam), in order to start gaining a worldwide following.

The false prophet will also be a Jew, pretending to be Elijah. Islam will not be a factor during the 7 years of the Antichrist. Islam will be discredited as a religon pre-70th week Gog/Magog. As the Jew's perceived king messiah, the Antichrist and the Jews will promote Noahidism Noahidism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - an invention of the rabbi's currently promoted by Judaism. Noahidism, excludes Christianity (including Catholicism), but allows for Islam.

Later, the Antichrist will become a religion unto himself.

That's possible, for the beast which comes up out of the earth (Rev. 13:11-16) represents the individual man who'll become the AC's FP (Rev. 19:20, 16:13). And the FP could currently be a (secretly apostate) cardinal in the RCC, preparing himself to become the next pope. If he becomes the next pope, he could begin his tenure by making a great push for peace & unity between Christianity & Islam. He could say something like: "Why do we fight each other? Are we not all the spiritual children of Abraham and of his God, the one God? Can't we lay aside our foolish, man-made differences of theology, which have done us no good at all, but only brought us hatred and violence, and unite into one religion of Abraham, one religion of peace, based on love for the one God and love for our fellow man? What's more important than this?"

Forget it. The Jews are expecting Elijah to come as a prelude to the messianic reign. The false prophet will claim to be Elijah.

He could be so skillful in elucidating what the moderate Muslims could call "the true, peaceful, loving nature of Islam", that he could be hailed by them worldwide as (in their words) "A Great Imam, come to rescue our beloved Islam from the bad reputation falsely given to it by the terrorists". In this way, the next pope could come to hold high positions of power in 2 religions at the same time, which could be symbolized by the 2 horns of the FP lamb (Rev. 13:11). This would be similar to how the 7 horns of the true-Jesus lamb in Rev. 5:6 could represent the true Jesus holding 7 positions of power at the same time (cf. Jesus wearing many crowns at the same time in Rev. 19:12). The FP could even say that he is Jesus. (See also the last 2 paragraphs of post #47)

No, the false prophet is not going to say that he is Jesus. The muslim prophecies are false and will never play out. Islam will go the way of communism following Gog/Magog.

btw, I asked you but never got a response in the little horn thread - what are your bible verses that support your view that an ultra orthodox Jew will become a false king messiah?

Doug

 

[Douggg]

Eh?

Wat up wit dat

http://www.christianforums.com/t7659467/
Cardinal Creates Ruckus Demanding Celibacy for Eastern Priests

You have made 99,125 posts ! I can't even count that high.

 

[florida2]

So according to the timeline there's going to be UFOs in a week's time, and Obama removed from office two weeks on Wednesday.

Riiight.

 

[Gnarwhal]

So according to the timeline there's going to be UFOs in a week's time, and Obama removed from office two weeks on Wednesday.

Riiight.

I'm sure the prophetic bunch will be trying to feed us some amendments to those predictions any time after they don't come to pass.

 

[gracechick]

I'm sure the prophetic bunch will be trying to feed us some amendments to those predictions any time after they don't come to pass.

I see. Such people are not welcome

 

[florida2]

June 25, 2012, (the 1335th day) sign of the son of Man in heaven, Ezekiel's UFO sighting on the 5th of Tammuz

Oh well, so much for that.

Any comment, tranquil?

 

[Gnarwhal]

Oh well, so much for that.

Any comment, tranquil?

He'll either A) ignore this "mishap" completely and carry on business as usual B) amend it to transpire further down the road or C) "mysteriously" disappear from CF altogether (maybe reappearing under a new moniker).

No apologies or admission of error though.

Anybody want to make it interesting? I'll put five e-cookies on option C.