Dangerous Days in 2012 & Revelations timeline

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berachah said in post #14:

This cannot be so.

It can be so.

If the 3rd temple is actually built it will be contrary to the will of God and therefore cannot be holy as God has already declared the body to the temple of God.

While the church as a whole is a figurative temple building (Eph. 2:21), it co-exists as the temple of God with the literal temple building in heaven (Rev. 11:19), and with the temple of Jesus' individual human body (Jn. 2:21), and with the temple of every Christian's individual human body (1 Cor. 6:19). And if the church-as-a-whole-temple can currently co-exist with all these other temples of God, then it will be able to co-exist with the future, 3rd-earthly-literal temple building which the scriptures show will exist during the coming tribulation (Rev. 11:1-2, Mt. 24:15, Dan. 11:31,36, 2 Thes. 2:4), which 3rd temple building will be accepted by God as a valid temple, just as the 2nd temple building was accepted by God as a valid temple, even at the time of Jesus' 1st coming (Mt. 23:21) and even at the time of the early church (Lk. 24:53, Acts 22:17).

For the ultra-Orthodox Jews will build the 3rd temple, and will offer animal sacrifices in front of it, under the auspices of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, which remains holy before God (Rom. 7:12). That's why God still keeps an ark of the Old Covenant in his temple building in heaven (Rev. 11:19), and why it was possible for the apostle Paul one time to involve himself with the 2nd temple's Mosaic practices without him committing sin (Acts 21:20-26, 1 Cor. 9:20). This isn't to say that the Jesus Christ-denying motives of the ultra-Orthodox Jews will be holy before God, but that the Mosaic 3rd temple in itself and its animal sacrifices in themselves will be holy before God (Rom. 7:12) -- even though the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law is no longer meant to be practiced by people (Rom. 7:6) because the New Covenant has been inaugurated by Jesus and his once-for-all-time sacrifice on the Cross for our sins (Heb. 10:1-23, Mt. 26:28).

There is now no purpose for a natural temple as the old covenant has been done away with.

At the very end of the coming tribulation, the 3rd temple could be completely destroyed (Mt. 24:2), along with the entire city of Jerusalem (Lk. 19:44). For the Antichrist (Dan. 11:45) and the armies of the world will attack and pillage Jerusalem right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Zech. 14:2-21), and at the 2nd coming there will be tremendous earth changes which will occur in the immediate vicinity of Jerusalem (Zech. 14:4-5). These events could result in all the man-made structures in Jerusalem, including the 3rd temple, and the Western Wall (also called the Wailing Wall), being completely broken down so that not one stone will be left upon another (Lk. 19:44, Mt. 24:2). Then the returned Jesus (Zech. 14:4, Acts 1:11-12) will rebuild Jerusalem and make it the capital of the world (Zech. 14:8-19, Mic. 4:1-4) and he will build a 4th temple there (Zech. 14:20-21, 6:12-13). It will serve a similar function for the church during the coming millennium (Rev. 20:4-6) as the 2nd temple served for the church in the \1st century AD (Lk. 24:53, Acts 22:17) and as the temple building in heaven (Rev. 11:19) serves for those in heaven (Rev. 7:15).

Also, just as when Jesus returns he will build a (New Covenant) (NC) temple building in Jerusalem, so NC animal sacrifices will be offered in front of it (Zech. 14:20-21, 6:12-13). Instead of these sacrifices being for sin, they could be for thanksgiving (cf. Lev. 22:29). Jesus could build the 4th temple and it could be operated according to the description in Ezek. chs. 40-48, but leaving out the parts about animal sacrifices for sin. Another possibility is that NC animal sacrifices for sin will be made, but only as a remembrance of Jesus' NC sacrifice on the Cross for our sins (Mt. 26:28), like how communion is currently partaken of in remembrance of Jesus' sacrifice (Lk. 22:19). The current practice of communion could cease at Jesus' return (1 Cor. 11:26).

Satan has no power unless he is given it by God.

How's that been denied? The purpose of the coming tribulation of Rev. chs. 6-18/Mt. 24, with regard to the righteous church in all nations having to suffer through it (Mt. 24:9-13, Rev. 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4) could be the same as the purpose for righteous Job (against whom God had no wrath) having to go through his suffering at the hands of Satan (Job chs. 1-2), and the purpose for the righteous 1st-century local church congregation in Smyrna (against whom God had no wrath) having to go through its suffering at the hands of Satan (Rev. 2:10).

The church will begin to grow cold towards God in the endtimes and there will be a falling away.

Yes (Mt. 24:12, 2 Thes. 2:3), but part of the church will remain faithful to the end (Mt. 24:9-13, Rev. 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4-6).

Many will be refined and reconciled back to God.

Are you thinking of Dan. 11:33-35? If so, it indeed refers to the persecution of the church, during the latter half of the coming tribulation (Mt. 24:9-13, Rev. 13:7-10, 14:12-13, Rev. 20:4), immediately after which Jesus will return and gather together (rapture) the church (Mt. 24:29-31, 2 Thes. 2:1, 1 Thes. 4:15-17). But how does refining require a subsequent reconciling back to God? I.e., why can't someone who's already reconciled to God (1 Jn. 1:9) be even further refined (Philip. 3:12)?

God will judge the church just as the nation of Israel was judged and put into bondage (in Babylon) to refine them and reconcile them.

Regarding "God will judge the church", that's right, for at the rapture meeting, Jesus will judge everyone in the church (Ps. 50:4-5, cf. Mk. 13:27) by their works (2 Cor. 5:10, Rom. 2:6-8, Lk. 12:45-48, Mt. 25:19-30). Regarding "the nation of Israel", the entire church is Israel (Rev. 21:9,12, 1 Pet. 2:9-10). For all those in the church who are genetic Jews remain Israel (Rom. 11:1), and all those in the church who are genetic Gentiles have been grafted into Israel (Rom. 11:17,24, Eph. 2:12,19, Gal. 3:29). This is necessary because all those in the church are saved only by the New Covenant (Mt. 26:28, 1 Cor. 11:25, 2 Cor. 3:6, Heb. 9:15), and the New Covenant is made only with Israel (Jer. 31:31-34, Jn. 4:22b). Jn. 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of believers who are Gentiles being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the same as the "one fold" of the church (1 Cor. 12:13, Eph. 4:4-6, Rev. 21:9b,12b). Also, all those in the church, no matter whether they're genetic Jews (Acts 22:3) or genetic Gentiles (Rom. 16:4b), have become spiritually-circumcised Jews if they've undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus (Rom. 2:29, Philip. 3:3, Col. 2:11-13).

 

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berachah said in post #19:

Yup...a demon possessed world leader calling himself the Messiah showing signs and wonders..

"Anti"-Christ doesn't have to mean "instead of" Christ, in the sense of referring to a false Christ/Messiah, but can refer to anyone who is "against" the true Christ, as in anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ (1 Jn. 2:22), or denies that Christ is the human/divine Son of God (1 Jn. 2:22b), or denies that Christ is in the flesh (2 Jn. 1:7). The spirit of antichrist (1 John 4:3) has been working since the 1st century AD (2 Thes. 2:7), animating many antichrists since that time (1 Jn. 2:18, 2 Jn. 1:7). The Antichrist won't claim to be Christ, because his antichrist denial that Christ is in the flesh (1 Jn. 4:3) will disqualify him (under his mistaken Gnostic doctrine) from being Christ. Instead, the non-mortal-flesh Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) could be the false Christ during the future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign of the Antichrist (Rev. 13:4-18), which will be in the latter half of the coming tribulation of Rev. chs. 6-18/Mt. 24.

But none of this means that there won't also be multiple false human Christs who will arise during the trib (Mt. 24:24), including 1 who will be a false ultra-Orthodox Jewish Christ/Messiah. For shortly after the start of the trib, the Antichrist could "cut" a peace treaty with a false ultra-Orthodox Jewish "Messiah" (Dan. 9:26a, 11:22-23a), promising this false Messiah and his ultra-Orthodox Jewish followers that they can keep a 3rd Jewish temple (Rev. 11:1) which they will have built on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, for at least 7 more years (Dan. 9:27a).

.. (the final kingdom spoken of in Daniel is part clay (man), part iron (demonic, spirital).

The iron and clay in Dan 2:41 could refer to the Europeans on the on hand, and to the Arabs and Turks on the other. For Dan. 7's 4th beast, or 4th "king"/"kingdom" (Dan. 7:17,23), is the ancient Roman Empire. And the 10 horns/kings (Dan. 7:7,24) which come out of it could represent 10 major kingdoms/nations today which came out the former territory of the Roman Empire (which consisted not only of Western Europe, but also the Middle East and North Africa). These 10 nations could be Germany, the U.K., France, Italy, Spain, Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Algeria, and Syria. The 10 iron/clay toes of Dan. 2:42 could represent the same thing as the 10 horns of Dan. 7:7. So in Dan. 2:43, the inability of the iron to mix with the clay could represent how, for example, there are many Turks living in Germany, but they remain separated in ghettoes within German cities. Similarly, there are many Algerians living in France, but they remain separated in ghettoes within French cities.

But despite this social separation, which could endure indefinitely, the people of Western Europe on the one hand, and the people of the Middle East and North Africa on the other, could still one day put aside their political separation and become united into 1 confederation. The person who could bring this about could be the Antichrist (the AC). The arising of the "little" horn (Dan. 7:8, 8:9), which is "diverse" from the 10 major nations (Dan. 7:24), could mean that the AC will arise from a little country. And the little horn arising from "among" the 10 major nations could mean that his country's territory used to be part of the Roman Empire. And before that, it could have been part of 1 of the 4 Diadochian Greek kingdoms which succeeded the Greek Empire of Alexander the Great (Dan. 8:8-9,21-25). The territory of these 4 kingdoms stretched from Greece over to Iran, and down into Egypt. So the AC could come from the Middle East. He could be an Arab who will come from Lebanon, from the modern city of Tyre (Ezek. 28:2, 2 Thes. 2:4).

The AC could start out by claiming to be a Baathist. After becoming the leader of Lebanon, he could peacefully gain control of a Baathist confederation of 3 of the 10 major nations (Dan. 7:24): Egypt ("toward the south" of Lebanon: Dan. 8:9), Iraq and Syria ("toward the east" of Lebanon: Dan. 8:9). This confederation could also include the minor nation of a United Palestine (i.e. a defeated Israel, "the pleasant land": Dan. 8:9). This Baathist confederation could be put together in the future by an Iraqi Baathist General who could defeat and occupy Israel and Egypt (Dan. 11:15-17; in verse 17, the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath"), but who could then mysteriously disappear (Dan. 11:19) shortly before the AC arises on the world stage (Dan. 11:21-45). Years later, when the AC gains control over all 10 of the major nations, he could appoint kings over them (Rev. 17:12) who will defer to him (Rev. 17:13), just as, for example, when Napoleon gained control of different nations, he appointed kings over them who would defer to him.

 

[berachah]

It can be so.
While the church as a whole is a figurative temple building (Eph. 2:21), it co-exists as the temple of God with the literal temple building in heaven (Rev. 11:19), and with the temple of Jesus' individual human body (Jn. 2:21), and with the temple of every Christian's individual human body (1 Cor. 6:19). And if the church-as-a-whole-temple can currently co-exist with all these other temples of God, then it will be able to co-exist with the future, 3rd-earthly-literal temple building which the scriptures show will exist during the coming tribulation (Rev. 11:1-2, Mt. 24:15, Dan. 11:31,36, 2 Thes. 2:4), which 3rd temple building will be accepted by God as a valid temple, just as the 2nd temple building was accepted by God as a valid temple, even at the time of Jesus' 1st coming (Mt. 23:21) and even at the time of the early church (Lk. 24:53, Acts 22:17).

The temple of God is that which houses the presence of God. Under the Old covenant it was the natural temple and the priests, specifically the High Priest was allowed into God's presence. When Jesus died on the cross the curtain into the holy of holies was torn in two (indicating the way was made open for all to enter into God's presence.) With the outpouring of the Holy Ghost this was fulfilled. The shadow (natural temple) which pointed to Christ was no longer required.

To suppose that God would somehow want the natural temple, which was only a temporary measure, to be rebuilt when we have that which it was meant to point to, indicates a total lack of understanding of what Christ achieved. To suggest that God might recognize the works of ungodly men (attempting to rebuild the old temple) making that which Christ did, wothless, is quite bizarre.

For the ultra-Orthodox Jews will build the 3rd temple, and will offer animal sacrifices in front of it, under the auspices of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, which remains holy before God (Rom. 7:12). That's why God still keeps an ark of the Old Covenant in his temple building in heaven (Rev. 11:19), and why it was possible for the apostle Paul one time to involve himself with the 2nd temple's Mosaic practices without him committing sin (Acts 21:20-26, 1 Cor. 9:20). This isn't to say that the Jesus Christ-denying motives of the ultra-Orthodox Jews will be holy before God, but that the Mosaic 3rd temple in itself and its animal sacrifices in themselves will be holy before God (Rom. 7:12) -- even though the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law is no longer meant to be practiced by people (Rom. 7:6) because the New Covenant has been inaugurated by Jesus and his once-for-all-time sacrifice on the Cross for our sins (Heb. 10:1-23, Mt. 26:28).

This theory is without any foundation. If the 3rd temple is built is will not be by the hand of God and will have no relevence to God or to any end time prophecy. When the Jews are reconciled to God it will be because they have recognized Jesus Christ as the Son of God and they will be reconciled through the Body of Christ.

God's people are not of this earth, they have a heavenly kingdom to which they look. The new Jersualem in heaven is made up of the Body of Christ and there is no need for a temple as the Lord is the temple.

At the very end of the coming tribulation, the 3rd temple could be completely destroyed (Mt. 24:2), along with the entire city of Jerusalem (Lk. 19:44). For the Antichrist (Dan. 11:45) and the armies of the world will attack and pillage Jerusalem right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Zech. 14:2-21), and at the 2nd coming there will be tremendous earth changes which will occur in the immediate vicinity of Jerusalem (Zech. 14:4-5). These events could result in all the man-made structures in Jerusalem, including the 3rd temple, and the Western Wall (also called the Wailing Wall), being completely broken down so that not one stone will be left upon another (Lk. 19:44, Mt. 24:2). Then the returned Jesus (Zech. 14:4, Acts 1:11-12) will rebuild Jerusalem and make it the capital of the world (Zech. 14:8-19, Mic. 4:1-4) and he will build a 4th temple there (Zech. 14:20-21, 6:12-13). It will serve a similar function for the church during the coming millennium (Rev. 20:4-6) as the 2nd temple served for the church in the \1st century AD (Lk. 24:53, Acts 22:17) and as the temple building in heaven (Rev. 11:19) serves for those in heaven (Rev. 7:15).

Absolutely without understanding of spiritual things, coveniently mixing events of the destruction of natural Jerusalem by Babylon together with end times, not realising the end times fulfillment are spiritual events applying to spiritual things and the Body of Christ.

The only reason the temple was still in use after Christ's resurrection was because the Jews were bound by their tradition. Paul frequently spoke of the old law passing away and the things he laboured for under the Old as worthless. The fact that they prayed at the temple did not make the sacrificial system or the Old covenant relevant. Any person wanting to abide by the old covenant needs to fulfil every part of the law and even that is now worthless because of Christ who has fulfilled the whole law and given new meaning to each and every law of the Old Covenant.

Also, just as when Jesus returns he will build a (New Covenant) (NC) temple building in Jerusalem, so NC animal sacrifices will be offered in front of it (Zech. 14:20-21, 6:12-13). Instead of these sacrifices being for sin, they could be for thanksgiving (cf. Lev. 22:29). Jesus could build the 4th temple and it could be operated according to the description in Ezek. chs. 40-48, but leaving out the parts about animal sacrifices for sin. Another possibility is that NC animal sacrifices for sin will be made, but only as a remembrance of Jesus' NC sacrifice on the Cross for our sins (Mt. 26:28), like how communion is currently partaken of in remembrance of Jesus' sacrifice (Lk. 22:19). The current practice of communion could cease at Jesus' return (1 Cor. 11:26).

Yes, lets exchange the offering of praise and thanks for dead animals. How does Spirit filled worship become secondary to dead animals? And to compare the blood of Christ to that of animals should offend every sound thinking Christian.

The only thing Christ is building is spiritual and heavenly....the rest is irrelevant.

 

[interpreter]

The antichrist has already come and gone. Hitler's Third Reich was the third head # 6 of the 666 trilogy. We are now experiencing the 7 last plagues, including the Battle of Ar Mageddon, which began on 9/11 when the Euphrates was dry. And yes, it will likely escalate in 2012.

 

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berachah said in post #23:

The temple of God is that which houses the presence of God.

That's right, and nothing forbids the future, 3rd temple from housing the presence of God (see post #21).

To suggest that God might recognize the works of ungodly men . . .

What he'll be recognizing is the Old Covenant Mosaic law, which remains holy before him (Rom. 7:12) (see post #21).

When the Jews are reconciled to God it will be because they have recognized Jesus Christ as the Son of God and they will be reconciled through the Body of Christ.

That's right.

God's people are not of this earth, they have a heavenly kingdom to which they look.

Presently the kingdom of God is in heaven (2 Tim. 4:18, Heb. 12:22-24), and is on the earth spiritually within Christians (Rom. 14:17, Lk. 17:21). In the future, the kingdom will come fully upon the earth as it is in heaven (Mt. 6:10). It will be physically (Lk. 22:30, Mt. 19:28) on the earth (Rev. 5:10), first during the millennium (Rev. 20:4-6, 2:26-29) and then on the new earth (Rev. 21:1-8).

Jesus' kingdom is Israel (Jn. 1:49, 12:13-15, 19:19, Lk. 22:30). That's why at his 2nd coming, he'll sit on the earthly throne of David (Lk. 1:32, Isa. 9:7) and restore the kingdom to Israel (Acts 1:6-7, 3:20-21). Jesus is, in his humanity, the son of David (Mt. 1:1, 21:15-16, Rom. 1:3), of the house of David (Lk. 1:69). So at Jesus' 2nd coming, he will restore the tabernacle, the house, of David (Isa. 16:5, Amos 9:11), to its royal glory (2 Sam. 5:12), which it had lost (2 Kin. 17:21a), and fulfill the prophecy and prayer of 2 Sam. 7:16-29. And Jesus will also bring salvation to all the unbelieving elect Jews of the house of David, for they (along with all other unbelieving elect Jews) will come into faith in Jesus when they see him at his 2nd coming (Zech. 12:10-14, 13:1,6, Rom. 11:26-31). And so they'll all become part of the church at that time, for there are no believers outside of the church (Eph. 4:4-6).

After Jesus' 2nd coming (Rev. 19:7-20:3) will occur the millennium (Rev. 20:4-6), during which, Gentile nations will come up to seek the returned Jesus ruling the whole earth (Zech. 8:22, 14:9, Ps. 72:8-11) upon the restored throne of David (Isa. 9:7) in the earthly Jerusalem (Isa. 2:1-4, Zech. 14:8-11,16-19). And the physically resurrected church will reign on the earth with him during the millennium (Rev. 20:4-6, 5:10, 2:26-29), for the church is Israel (Rev. 21:9,12) (see the last part of post #21). Also see the "4th temple" part of post #21.

. . .the end times fulfillment are spiritual events . . .

They also involve physical events. Just as the glorious return of Jesus in Rev. 19:7-20:3 has never been fulfilled, but will be fulfilled physically in our future, so the highly-detailed and chronological events of the preceding tribulation in Rev. chs. 6-18 have never been fulfilled, but will be fulfilled physically in our future. Also, the millennium will be physical, and will begin after Jesus' 2nd coming (Rev. 19:7-20:6, Zech. 14:3-21), when he'll reign on the earth with the physically resurrected church for 1,000 years (Rev. 20:4-6, 5:10, 2:26-29, Ps. 2, 66:3-4).

Spiritualism, as well as symbolicism, preterism (whether full or partial), historicism (in its various modern forms), and pre-trib rapturism, could all be animated by the same spirit of fear, that the church alive today throughout the world would otherwise have to physically suffer through the future, literal, worldwide tribulation of Rev. chs. 6-18/Mt. 24. For these 5 views of spiritualism, symbolicism, preterism, historicism, and pre-trib rapturism, in their different ways, each gives a mistaken assurance to the church alive today that it won't have to physically suffer through that trib.

Spiritualism says the trib is only spiritual events. Symbolicism says the trib is only symbolic of theological themes those in the church have always had to struggle with (e.g. Mt. 6:24), or is symbolic of only-local persecutions that some in the church have always had to face, and are still facing today. Preterism says the trib happened in 70 AD. Historicism says the trib happened over a long period in history (e.g. during the rise and height of the power of the RCC in Europe during the Middle Ages and after, or during the rise and spread of Islam in the Middle East and elsewhere during the Middle Ages and after). And pre-trib rapturism says Jesus will return and rapture the church into the 3rd heaven before the trib begins.

But when the literal, worldwide trib begins in the future, the shaky doctrinal wall which (in their different ways) these 5 views have each tried to build up between the church and the trib, will be completely shattered (Ezek. 13:10-12) as the church worldwide begins to physically suffer through the trib (Mt. 24:9-31, Rev. 13:7-10, 14:12-12, 20:4). These 5 views may have left some in the church completely unprepared mentally to undergo this physical suffering, to where these 5 views could even contribute to some in the church ultimately losing their salvation (Heb. 6:4-8, Jn. 15:6, 2 Tim. 2:12, Mk. 8:35-38, Col. 1:23, Heb. 3:6,12,14, 10:38-39) because of committing apostasy during the trib, when they became "offended" that God was making them and their little ones physically suffer through it (Mt. 24:9-12, 13:21, Isa. 8:21-22, Lk. 8:13).

Even though the church alive today throughout the world will have to physically suffer through the future, literal, worldwide trib. of Rev. chs. 6-18/Mt. 24, the church need not fear this (cf. 1 Pet. 4:12-13, Rev. 2:10), for even though many in the church will suffer and die during that time (Rev. 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4, Mt. 24:9-13), this will be to their gain (Philip. 1:21,23, 2 Cor. 5:8, 4:17-18, 2 Tim. 2:12), and it won't rob them of the blessed hope (Titus 2:13) of obtaining eternal life (Titus 1:2, 3:7) in an immortal, physical resurrection body (Rom. 8:23-25, Philip. 3:21, Lk. 24:39) at Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Cor. 15:21-23,51-53, 1 Thes. 4:15-16, Rev. 20:4-6), which will occur immediately after the trib (Mt. 24:29-31, Rev. 19:7-20:6).

The fact that they prayed at the temple did not make the sacrificial system or the Old covenant relevant.

That's right, but it made the temple itself still relevant.

Any person wanting to abide by the old covenant needs to fulfil every part of the law . . .

That's right. And even if believers want to keep just 1 part of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (the OCML), such as the OCML sabbath, thinking they have to, they're as fallen from grace (Gal. 5:4) as believers who keep the letter of the OCML circumcision thinking they have to (Gal. 5:2). They've become debtors to perform the letter of the entire OCML (Gal. 5:3); they've placed themselves under its curse (Gal. 3:10). Believers, both Jews & Gentiles, don't need to keep any part of the letter of the OCML, not even the OCML sabbath, for even the letter of the 10 commandments written and engraven in stones (2 Cor. 3:7, Deut. 4:13) was part of the abolished OCML's ministration of death (2 Cor. 3:6-7, Num. 15:32-36) which has been replaced by the New Covenant (Jer. 31:31-34) ministration of the spirit (2 Cor. 3:6-18), in which believers are delivered from the letter of the OCML and keep the spirit (Rom. 7:6) of all the OCML's commandments by loving others (Rom. 13:8-10).

Any person wanting to abide by the old covenant needs to fulfil every part of the law and even that is now worthless . . .

Re: "that is now worthless", if by "that" you mean the OCML in itself, it's still holy before God (Rom. 7:12).

Any person wanting to abide by the old covenant needs to fulfil every part of the law and even that is now worthless because of Christ who has fulfilled the whole law . . .

Re: "Christ who has fulfilled the whole law", if you're referring to Matthew 5:17-20, the separate passage of Luke 24:44-46 shows that Matthew 5:17-18 means that Jesus came the first time not to abolish the prophecies in the Mosaic law and the Old Testament prophets regarding the Christ's first coming, but to personally fulfill all those prophecies (e.g. Acts 3:22-24, Isaiah 53).

Matthew 5:17-18 can't mean (as is sometimes claimed) that Jesus came the first time not to abolish the letter of the commandments of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, because Ephesians 2:15-16, Hebrews 7:18-19, Colossians 2:14-17, 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, and Romans 7:6 show that he did come to do that, on the Cross.

Also, Matthew 5:17-18 can't mean that Jesus came the first time to fulfill the letter of all the commandments of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, because he couldn't possibly have done that. For example, some Old Covenant Mosaic commandments applied only to women after childbirth (Leviticus 12:4-8), or to wives suspected of adultery by their husbands (Numbers 5:19-31).

As the Christ (Matthew 5:17, Luke 24:44-46), the mediator of the New Covenant (Hebrews 12:24, Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6-8), Jesus had the divine authority to contradict the letter of Old Covenant Mosaic commandments and replace them with his own, even better, New Covenant commandments (Matthew 5:38-44, Matthew 19:7-9, John 8:5-7), such as those he gave in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19-7:29) and in the writings of Paul the apostle (1 Corinthians 14:37, cf. 1 Thessalonians 4:2). And as the Christ, Jesus had the divine authority to allow his disciples to break the letter of Old Covenant Mosaic commandments (Matthew 12:1-8).

Any person wanting to abide by the old covenant needs to fulfil every part of the law and even that is now worthless because of Christ who has fulfilled the whole law and given new meaning to each and every law of the Old Covenant.

Re: "given new meaning to each and every law of the Old Covenant", what scriptures are you referring to? Jesus & Paul said the spiritual meaning of every part of the OCML is loving others (Rom. 13:9-10, Mt. 7:12).

How does Spirit filled worship become secondary to dead animals?

It doesn't, just as currently it doesn't become secondary to the bread and wine of communion (Mt. 26:26-29, 1 Cor. 11:27-30, Jn. 6:53-57).

And to compare the blood of Christ to that of animals should offend every sound thinking Christian.

It shouldn't (for the Bible does that: Hebrews 9:13-28), just as not only comparing, but equating the blood of Christ and the wine of communion, shouldn't offend any Christian (Mt. 26:28-29, 1 Cor. 11:27-30, Jn. 6:53-57).

The only thing Christ is building is spiritual and heavenly....the rest is irrelevant.

That which is spiritual doesn't make that which is physical irrelevant. Believers need to be careful not to be deceived by the Gnostic/antichrist lie that Christ isn't in the flesh (2 Jn. 1:7) and that believers won't forever be in the flesh. The Bible shows that Jesus Christ wasn't resurrected as a disembodied spirit, but in his fully-human flesh and bones body (Lk. 24:39, Heb. 2:17). That's why his tomb is empty (Mt. 28:6) and why he still has the wounds of the crucifixion on his resurrection body (Jn. 20:25-29). Lk. 24:39 didn't stop being true once Jesus ascended into heaven, for he will remain our fully-human mediator/high priest forever (1 Tim. 2:5, Heb. 7:24-26), in human flesh, just like we're in human flesh (Heb. 2:17). And when he returns he will still have the wounds of the crucifixion on his body (Zech. 13:6, 12:10-14).

Gnosticism mistakenly thinks that flesh is evil in itself, and that only that which is pure spirit can be good. But Jesus proves that flesh isn't evil in itself, for he's been made flesh (Jn. 1:1,14, Rom. 1:3, Lk. 24:39) and remains wholly without sin (Heb. 4:15). Genesis also proves that flesh isn't evil in itself, but was created by God as something very good (Gen. 1:31). Adam & Eve were flesh, for they were the progenitors of the human race alive today. And they were immortal before they fell into sin, because it was only their falling into sin which made them become mortal (Gen. 2:17). So Adam & Eve started out as immortal flesh. So the future resurrection or changing of the saved into immortal flesh bodies like Jesus has (1 Cor. 15:21-23,51-53, Philip. 3:21, Lk. 24:39, Rom. 8:23-25) will be God allowing all of saved humanity to partake of the original, very good, immortal flesh condition of Adam & Eve in the Garden of Eden before their fall into sin.

Also beware the more-general Gnostic lie that even the entire physical universe is evil in itself, and that only a purely-spiritual heaven can be good, for this lie is employed by Gnosticism to revile the Creator YHWH as some sort of evil, tyrant god, whom Gnosticism says created the physical universe as a foul prison house for the free spirits of humans, whom Gnosticism says by some accident fell from a purely-spiritual heaven into the physical universe and became trapped within fleshly bodies. No doubt the coming Antichrist will employ this lie as part of his utter reviling of YHWH (Rev. 13:6, Dan. 11:36). But Genesis shows that our physical world was created by YHWH as something very good (Gen. 1:31).

And the Bible shows that the whole plan of Creation wasn't that humans, who are both flesh and spirit (1 Thes. 5:23, Lk. 24:39), would become purely-spiritual ghosts and float forever on clouds in a purely-spiritual heaven with God, but that God would become both flesh and spirit like man (Jn. 1:1,14) and that God would ultimately come down out of heaven to live with man on a new earth (Rev. 21:1-4), just as God had walked on the earth in the Garden of Eden with Adam & Eve (Gen. 3:8). Also, on the new earth, all of saved humanity will be allowed to eat from the tree of life (Rev. 2:7, 22:2,14), just as Adam & Eve hadn't been forbidden to eat from it in their unfallen state (Gen. 2:9,16-17). So, with regard to saved humans, God will completely undo the effect of the fall of Adam & Eve. All of saved humanity will be able to live in an earthly, physical paradise forever with God (Rev. 2:7), just as Adam & Eve and all their descendants might have done had not Adam & Eve fallen into sin.

So beware the Gnostic lie. Beware the Antichrist.

 

[Bible2]

interpreter said in post #24:

The antichrist has already come and gone.

He hasn't, for no one has ever fulfilled the detailed references to the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) in Rev. 13:4-18, 16:2-16, 19:19-21. And no one has ever fulfilled other detailed Antichrist scriptures (e.g. 2 Thes. 2:3-9, Dan. 11:31,36, Mt. 24:15).

Any mistaken teaching which claims the Antichrist has already come and gone could be employed in the future by the real Antichrist to fool some Christians into thinking he isn't the Antichrist.

Hitler's Third Reich was the third head # 6 of the 666 trilogy.

The "666" in Rev. 13:17c-18 isn't referring to a trilogy, but the number six hundred and sixty-six, the "number of the name" of the individual "man" who's the Antichrist (the AC) (the individual-man aspect of the beast). The number of a name is determined by employing the ancient method of gematria, by which numerical values are assigned to the letters of any alphabet as follows: the 1st 9 letters are 1 through 9, the next 9 letters are 10 through 90 (counting by tens), and the rest of the letters are 100, 200, 300, etc., to the end of the alphabet. In Rev. 13:18, the "counting", the adding up, of the gematrial number of the AC's name should be done in the same way that the gematrial numerical values of the 3 Greek letters (Chi, Xi, and Stigma) at the end of Rev. 13:18 (in the original Greek Textus Receptus) (the TR) are added up to arrive at the number six hundred and sixty-six. The numerical values of the letters of the ancient Greek alphabet (including the three obsolete letters of Stigma, Qoppa, and Sampi) were as follows:

Alpha = 1
Beta = 2
Gamma = 3
Delta = 4
Epsilon = 5
(Stigma = 6)
Zeta = 7
Eta = 8
Theta = 9
Iota = 10
Kappa = 20
Lambda = 30
Mu = 40
Nu = 50
Xi = 60
Omikron = 70
Pi = 80
(Qoppa = 90)
Rho = 100
Sigma = 200
Tau = 300
Upsilon = 400
Phi = 500
Chi = 600
Psi = 700
Omega = 800
(Sampi = 900)

Just as the gematrial numerical values of the letters Chi, Xi, and Stigma at the end of Rev. 13:18 (TR) add up to 666, so the gematrial numerical values of the letters in the AC's name will add up to 666 (Rev. 13:17c-18). John the apostle used the ancient Greek alphabet only because it was the most common alphabet used by believers when Revelation was written. Today, the most common alphabet used by believers is the English alphabet, insofar as English is the current lingua franca of the world. So the AC's name will most likely add up to 666 in the English alphabet. The whole purpose of Rev. 13:17c-18 is to facilitate for believers, not to make difficult for them, the identification of a certain man as possibly being the AC. If the letters in his name had to be transliterated into the ancient Greek alphabet, this would vitiate this purpose, for almost all believers today wouldn't know how to properly perform this transliteration, and so different believers would come up with different transliterations, and so would come up with different gematrial numbers for the name of the man in question.

We are now experiencing the 7 last plagues . . .

The world will experience the 7 last plagues (Rev. 15:1), also called the 7 vials (or bowls) of God's wrath (Rev. 16:1, Rev. 21:9), only after the (never-fulfilled) Rev. chs. 6-15 have been fulfilled. At the 1st vial, awful sores will appear on only those people who will have received the mark of the Antichrist (the individual man aspect of the beast), and worshipped his image (Rev. 16:2). At the 2nd vial, the sea will become like the blood of a dead man, and every living creature in the sea will die (Rev. 16:3). At the 3rd vial, all natural sources of fresh water will become blood (Rev. 16:4). At the 4th vial, men will be scorched with fire shot out from the sun (Rev. 16:8). This would be a solar-flare coronal mass ejection of solar plasma, which could make its way down to the surface of the earth due to the earth's magnetic field being disrupted during a magnetic pole reversal which could occur during the tribulation. At the 5th vial, the whole world will be plunged into literal darkness (Rev. 16:10).

At the 6th vial, the Euphrates will dry up and remain dry long enough so that all the armies of "the kings of the east" (i.e. the vast armies of China, India, Japan, Pakistan, Iran, Indonesia) can all easily cross the riverbed and gather themselves at Armageddon (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel). Once they've gathered together there with all the other armies of the earth (Rev. 16:14,16), they won't wage battle there (that's why the Bible doesn't refer to a "Battle of Armageddon"). Instead, they will travel together south to attack and pillage Jerusalem, right before Jesus returns from heaven and defeats all of them (Zech. 14:2-21, Rev. 19:19-21). Also at the 6th vial, it will be unclean spirits like frogs -- which will come out of the mouths of Lucifer (the dragon), the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast), and the False Prophet (Rev. 16:13) -- which will go forth and perform amazing miracles to convince the armies of the world to gather together in an attempt to fight and defeat YHWH (Rev. 16:14, Rev. 19:19).

At the 7th vial, there will be a huge earthquake that will affect the whole world (Rev. 16:17-20), and 100-lb. hailstones will pummel the earth (Rev. 16:21). The 7th vial will also be when the symbolic harlot "Babylon" (Rev. chs. 17-18) will be destroyed (Rev. 16:19). She represents all of mankind's corrupt political (Rev. 17:18), economic (Rev. 18:11), and religious (Rev. 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Rev. 18:3) and throughout history (Rev. 17:9-10). The 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire will destroy with fire all that "Babylon" represents (Rev. 17:16-17a) when they destroy the cities of the earth (Rev. 16:19), possibly with nukes (and possibly with Fission-Fusion-Fission, "FFF", or "666", nukes, "F" representing the number 6 in English gematria), at the time of the 7th vial (Rev. 16:17,19), which will be the final event (Rev. 16:17b) of the future tribulation of Rev. chs. 6-18, right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Rev. 19:2-20:6, Mt. 24:29-31). They could do this under the direction of Satan/Lucifer (Isa. 14:17,12), who could want to leave only a literal "scorched earth" for Jesus to return to.

Near the very end of the trib, Lucifer (employing the ancient lies of Gnosticism) could say to the Antichrist and the 10 kings something like: "Our great battle against the evil YHWH is about to begin [Rev. 16:14, 19:19], a battle which we'll win, and so we'll be able to escape YHWH's prison house, this material universe, and return to the wholly-spiritual Pleroma. So let us now completely destroy this awful prison cell, this foul planet, and let us, as it were, completely burn up all the gewgaws which we've hung upon our cell walls. Let us burn up all our great cities, all our magnificent systems. Let us break every chain of attachment to this vile material realm, that we might more freely ascend back into our rightful place in the blessed Pleroma".

Of course this will be a total lie. For at his 2nd coming, Jesus (who is YHWH: Jn. 10:30, Zech. 14:3-4) will completely defeat the armies of the world, arrayed against YHWH (Rev. 16:14, 19:19-21). And Jesus will have Lucifer bound in the bottomless pit during the subsequent millennium (Rev. 20:1-6). And Jesus will restore ruined parts of the earth and make them like the Garden of Eden (Ezek. 36:35, Isa. 51:3). And after the millennium and subsequent events are over (Rev. 20:7-15), God will create a new heaven (a new 1st heaven: a new sky/atmosphere for the earth) and a new earth (a new surface for the earth) (Rev. 21:1). And then God will descend from the 3rd heaven in the literal city of New Jerusalem to live with saved humanity on the new earth (Rev. 21:2-4).

 

[ViaCrucis]

The best part about the content of the OP is when none of this happens and the whole thing unravels quicker than a cheap sweater caught on a fence post.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[tranquil]

I really don’t know why people put this on a pedestal just to knock it and me down. Learning is a slow and messy process filled with tons of blind alleys.


Yes, I made a mistake about the Pope on April 11, in inferring that the Pope and the Catholic Church was a part of Mystery Babylon… Does anyone out there know what Mystery Babylon is? Please tell me…


But the data is not incorrect, just my assumption that the Catholic church was Mystery Babylon. Here’s what happened on April 11th:


Why PositiveID Corporation (OTCSID) Became Very 'Real' Today : Analyzing Penny Stocks

Why PositiveID Corporation (OTCSID) Became Very 'Real' Today

It's started. PositiveID Corporation (OTC:PSID), the developer of an ingenious diabetes management device called iglucose, has turned the key on the revenue engine. The company announced this morning that it is now accepting pre-orders for the iglucose monitoring system, and expects them to start shipping by the end of the quarter.

PositivID is the new name for Verichip, the mark of the beast. (I know, I know, half the people on this eschatology board don’t believe in a mark of the beast or an antichrist… )


So, what that says to me is a couple of things:


After 2012, the Catholic church is gone. If it’s not part of Mystery Babylon, then it is the ritual destruction of a Babylon in fulfillment of prophecy devoted to the antichrist as God (in imitation of God’s real prophetic timeline.) The UN will probably head the “church of man”.


And, one of the main distinguishing factors of Mystery Babylon is the Verichip.


Also, on April 4, we got "Mintchip" digital currency offered by the Canadian Royal Mint (read British Zionist Prince William False Prophet royal mint)
MintChip: The evolution of currency | MintChip Developer Resources

MintChip - The Evolution of Currency

Today's digital economy is changing faster than ever, and currency has to change too. It is, introducing MintChip, from the Royal Canadian Mint - the evolution of currency.


MintChip brings all the benefits of cash into the digital age. Instant, private and secure, MintChip value can be stored and moved quickly and easily over email, software applications, or by physically tapping devices together.

When "terrorists"/ our own Satanist leadership at the helm willfully fulfilling prophecy, release the "superflu", cell phones, Verichip, and Mintchip will all be integrated. Won't go along with the mark of the beast/ cashless society? Then you are a Luddite in league with the terrorists - physical cash spreads the superflu.


This superflu itself will be part of the 2012 Satanic replication of the end of the world, the 4th horseman.

 

[tranquil]

Like I have said many times, the elites are going to dose people with hallucinogenic drugs to various effects - some will be stupified to create "zombies" (to replicate Judgment Day's resurrection of the dead), some will get "raptured" via ketamine ingestion (which creates out of body experiences which people in a 2012 context will interpret as being "raptured"), and some will get methamphetimine so that they will see "shadow people/ demons/ aliens". People will worship the antichrist because he will protect them from these demons.

Here is the method of dosing: anthrax kits and/ or anti-radiation pills. From this news piece you can see that the CDC is serious about putting these kits out there for people. 114 million kits for all of the US homes.
Anthrax Kits in 114M U.S. Homes Gets FDA Scrutiny - Businessweek

They will hem and haw about it until the last minute because they don't want people taking them before it is the right time.

The kits have 10 days of doxycycline for each person.

Why 10 days?

Rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

The Cities Readiness Initiative (which this distribution is a part of) has 72 cities, honoring the 72 demons of Solomon. The Lesser Key of Solomon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Rev 18:2
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons, and the haunt of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

This is the "pharmakaia" of Revelations 18:23

And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries [pharmakaia] were all nations deceived.

http://www.ukapologetics.net/pharmakeia.html

 

[interpreter]

He hasn't, for no one has ever fulfilled the detailed references to the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) in Rev. 13:4-18, 16:2-16, 19:19-21. And no one has ever fulfilled other detailed Antichrist scriptures (e.g. 2 Thes. 2:3-9, Dan. 11:31,36, Mt. 24:15).

In Hitler's book, Mein Kampf, he states his plan to require everyone wanting to buy or sell food to carry a permit stamped with the swastika. For the sake of the elect, those days were cut short.

Any mistaken teaching which claims the Antichrist has already come and gone could be employed in the future by the real Antichrist to fool some Christians into thinking he isn't the Antichrist.

There won't be another Hitler.

The "666" in Rev. 13:17c-18 isn't referring to a trilogy, but the number six hundred and sixty-six, the "number of the name" of the individual "man" who's the Antichrist (the AC) (the individual-man aspect of the beast). The number of a name is determined by employing the ancient method of gematria, by which numerical values are assigned to the letters of any alphabet as follows: the 1st 9 letters are 1 through 9, the next 9 letters are 10 through 90 (counting by tens), and the rest of the letters are 100, 200, 300, etc., to the end of the alphabet. In Rev. 13:18, the "counting", the adding up, of the gematrial number of the AC's name should be done in the same way that the gematrial numerical values of the 3 Greek letters (Chi, Xi, and Stigma) at the end of Rev. 13:18 (in the original Greek Textus Receptus) (the TR) are added up to arrive at the number six hundred and sixty-six. The numerical values of the letters of the ancient Greek alphabet (including the three obsolete letters of Stigma, Qoppa, and Sampi) were as follows:

Alpha = 1
Beta = 2
Gamma = 3
Delta = 4
Epsilon = 5
(Stigma = 6)
Zeta = 7
Eta = 8
Theta = 9
Iota = 10
Kappa = 20
Lambda = 30
Mu = 40
Nu = 50
Xi = 60
Omikron = 70
Pi = 80
(Qoppa = 90)
Rho = 100
Sigma = 200
Tau = 300
Upsilon = 400
Phi = 500
Chi = 600
Psi = 700
Omega = 800
(Sampi = 900)

Just as the gematrial numerical values of the letters Chi, Xi, and Stigma at the end of Rev. 13:18 (TR) add up to 666, so the gematrial numerical values of the letters in the AC's name will add up to 666 (Rev. 13:17c-18). John the apostle used the ancient Greek alphabet only because it was the most common alphabet used by believers when Revelation was written. Today, the most common alphabet used by believers is the English alphabet, insofar as English is the current lingua franca of the world. So the AC's name will most likely add up to 666 in the English alphabet. The whole purpose of Rev. 13:17c-18 is to facilitate for believers, not to make difficult for them, the identification of a certain man as possibly being the AC. If the letters in his name had to be transliterated into the ancient Greek alphabet, this would vitiate this purpose, for almost all believers today wouldn't know how to properly perform this transliteration, and so different believers would come up with different transliterations, and so would come up with different gematrial numbers for the name of the man in question.

The number six represents head # 6 of the beast which is pagan Rome. The Second and Third Reich are the second and third head # 6.

The world will experience the 7 last plagues (Rev. 15:1), also called the 7 vials (or bowls) of God's wrath (Rev. 16:1, Rev. 21:9), only after the (never-fulfilled) Rev. chs. 6-15 have been fulfilled. At the 1st vial, awful sores will appear on only those people who will have received the mark of the Antichrist (the individual man aspect of the beast), and worshipped his image (Rev. 16:2). At the 2nd vial, the sea will become like the blood of a dead man, and every living creature in the sea will die (Rev. 16:3). At the 3rd vial, all natural sources of fresh water will become blood (Rev. 16:4). At the 4th vial, men will be scorched with fire shot out from the sun (Rev. 16:8). This would be a solar-flare coronal mass ejection of solar plasma, which could make its way down to the surface of the earth due to the earth's magnetic field being disrupted during a magnetic pole reversal which could occur during the tribulation. At the 5th vial, the whole world will be plunged into literal darkness (Rev. 16:10).

At the 6th vial, the Euphrates will dry up and remain dry long enough so that all the armies of "the kings of the east" (i.e. the vast armies of China, India, Japan, Pakistan, Iran, Indonesia) can all easily cross the riverbed and gather themselves at Armageddon (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel). Once they've gathered together there with all the other armies of the earth (Rev. 16:14,16), they won't wage battle there (that's why the Bible doesn't refer to a "Battle of Armageddon"). Instead, they will travel together south to attack and pillage Jerusalem, right before Jesus returns from heaven and defeats all of them (Zech. 14:2-21, Rev. 19:19-21). Also at the 6th vial, it will be unclean spirits like frogs -- which will come out of the mouths of Lucifer (the dragon), the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast), and the False Prophet (Rev. 16:13) -- which will go forth and perform amazing miracles to convince the armies of the world to gather together in an attempt to fight and defeat YHWH (Rev. 16:14, Rev. 19:19).

At the 7th vial, there will be a huge earthquake that will affect the whole world (Rev. 16:17-20), and 100-lb. hailstones will pummel the earth (Rev. 16:21). The 7th vial will also be when the symbolic harlot "Babylon" (Rev. chs. 17-18) will be destroyed (Rev. 16:19). She represents all of mankind's corrupt political (Rev. 17:18), economic (Rev. 18:11), and religious (Rev. 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Rev. 18:3) and throughout history (Rev. 17:9-10). The 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire will destroy with fire all that "Babylon" represents (Rev. 17:16-17a) when they destroy the cities of the earth (Rev. 16:19), possibly with nukes (and possibly with Fission-Fusion-Fission, "FFF", or "666", nukes, "F" representing the number 6 in English gematria), at the time of the 7th vial (Rev. 16:17,19), which will be the final event (Rev. 16:17b) of the future tribulation of Rev. chs. 6-18, right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Rev. 19:2-20:6, Mt. 24:29-31). They could do this under the direction of Satan/Lucifer (Isa. 14:17,12), who could want to leave only a literal "scorched earth" for Jesus to return to.

Near the very end of the trib, Lucifer (employing the ancient lies of Gnosticism) could say to the Antichrist and the 10 kings something like: "Our great battle against the evil YHWH is about to begin [Rev. 16:14, 19:19], a battle which we'll win, and so we'll be able to escape YHWH's prison house, this material universe, and return to the wholly-spiritual Pleroma. So let us now completely destroy this awful prison cell, this foul planet, and let us, as it were, completely burn up all the gewgaws which we've hung upon our cell walls. Let us burn up all our great cities, all our magnificent systems. Let us break every chain of attachment to this vile material realm, that we might more freely ascend back into our rightful place in the blessed Pleroma".

Of course this will be a total lie. For at his 2nd coming, Jesus (who is YHWH: Jn. 10:30, Zech. 14:3-4) will completely defeat the armies of the world, arrayed against YHWH (Rev. 16:14, 19:19-21). And Jesus will have Lucifer bound in the bottomless pit during the subsequent millennium (Rev. 20:1-6). And Jesus will restore ruined parts of the earth and make them like the Garden of Eden (Ezek. 36:35, Isa. 51:3). And after the millennium and subsequent events are over (Rev. 20:7-15), God will create a new heaven (a new 1st heaven: a new sky/atmosphere for the earth) and a new earth (a new surface for the earth) (Rev. 21:1). And then God will descend from the 3rd heaven in the literal city of New Jerusalem to live with saved humanity on the new earth (Rev. 21:2-4).

But chapters 6 -14 have already come to pass which means we are now experiencing the 7 last plagues: skin cancer, red tides, polluted fresh water, global warming, increased atheism and new diseases, and the Euphrates was dry on 9/11 when the first shot of the Battle of Ar Mageddon was fired.

 

[interpreter]

I really don’t know why people put this on a pedestal just to knock it and me down. Learning is a slow and messy process filled with tons of blind alleys.


Yes, I made a mistake about the Pope on April 11, in inferring that the Pope and the Catholic Church was a part of Mystery Babylon… Does anyone out there know what Mystery Babylon is? Please tell me…


But the data is not incorrect, just my assumption that the Catholic church was Mystery Babylon. Here’s what happened on April 11th:


Why PositiveID Corporation (OTCSID) Became Very 'Real' Today : Analyzing Penny Stocks




PositivID is the new name for Verichip, the mark of the beast. (I know, I know, half the people on this eschatology board don’t believe in a mark of the beast or an antichrist… )


So, what that says to me is a couple of things:


After 2012, the Catholic church is gone. If it’s not part of Mystery Babylon, then it is the ritual destruction of a Babylon in fulfillment of prophecy devoted to the antichrist as God (in imitation of God’s real prophetic timeline.) The UN will probably head the “church of man”.


And, one of the main distinguishing factors of Mystery Babylon is the Verichip.


Also, on April 4, we got "Mintchip" digital currency offered by the Canadian Royal Mint (read British Zionist Prince William False Prophet royal mint)
MintChip: The evolution of currency | MintChip Developer Resources


When "terrorists"/ our own Satanist leadership at the helm willfully fulfilling prophecy, release the "superflu", cell phones, Verichip, and Mintchip will all be integrated. Won't go along with the mark of the beast/ cashless society? Then you are a Luddite in league with the terrorists - physical cash spreads the superflu.


This superflu itself will be part of the 2012 Satanic replication of the end of the world, the 4th horseman.

Babylon the great harlot is Moscow which sits on 7 hills and many waters.

 

[tranquil]

I'm leery of posting this, since people demand perfection from their "prophets" (of which I am not one), but I think this is important and interesting.

Looking at Daniel 12
9 And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.
11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.

When is the abomination? ON the 1290th day, or AFTER the 1290th day?

As I had posited in the OP, 10-29-2008 plus 1290 days is May 11, 2012.

If it is ON the 1290th day, then this is the clear signal for one of the abomination of desolations: the lighting of the Olympic torch in Greece on May 10th. ekathimerini.com | London Olympic Flame to be lit on May 10 at Olympia
Remember, Zeus is satan. The Olympics celebrate "survival of the fittest", which is Satan's creed, not God's. In other words, it is the celebration of "evolution".

There are tons of sites describing the satanic rituals going on for the Olympics. (maybe I'll work up a thread about if there's time.)

Interestingly, there is a Nostradamus prophecy

[lX.83] Sun twentieth of Taurus the earth will tremble very mightily, it will ruin the great theater filled: To darken and trouble air, sky and land, then the infidel will call upon God and saints.

The 20th of Taurus is May 11. Which would fit the abomination, then sudden destruction pattern.

 

[berachah]

I'm leery of posting this, since people demand perfection from their "prophets" (of which I am not one), but I think this is important and interesting.

Looking at Daniel 12
9 And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.
11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.

When is the abomination? ON the 1290th day, or AFTER the 1290th day?

As I had posited in the OP, 10-29-2008 plus 1290 days is May 11, 2012.

If it is ON the 1290th day, then this is the clear signal for one of the abomination of desolations: the lighting of the Olympic torch in Greece on May 10th. ekathimerini.com | London Olympic Flame to be lit on May 10 at Olympia
Remember, Zeus is satan. The Olympics celebrate "survival of the fittest", which is Satan's creed, not God's. In other words, it is the celebration of "evolution".

There are tons of sites describing the satanic rituals going on for the Olympics. (maybe I'll work up a thread about if there's time.)

Interestingly, there is a Nostradamus prophecy
.

The daily sacrifice has not been taken away, the abomination of desolation takes his place within the temple (which, in this dispensation, pertains to the Body of Christ) and Nostradamus was almost certainly demon possessed.

 

[berachah]

That's right, and nothing forbids the future, 3rd temple from housing the presence of God (see post #21).

For there are two covenants, the one from Mt Sinai which gendereth to bondage, which is Hagar. For this Hagar is Mt Sinai in Arabia and answereth to Jerusalem which is and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which above is free which is the mother of us all.... Gal 4:24-26.

[Bible 2=quote]What he'll be recognizing is the Old Covenant Mosaic law, which remains holy before him (Rom. 7:12) (see post #21).[/quote]

The Old covenant is Holy because God gave it and it will be used to judge those not under the new covenant. To suppose that it will need to be rebuilt to achieve that is without scriptural basis.

[Bible2=quote]
Presently the kingdom of God is in heaven (2 Tim. 4:18, Heb. 12:22-24), and is on the earth spiritually within Christians (Rom. 14:17, Lk. 17:21). In the future, the kingdom will come fully upon the earth as it is in heaven (Mt. 6:10). It will be physically (Lk. 22:30, Mt. 19:28) on the earth (Rev. 5:10), first during the millennium (Rev. 20:4-6, 2:26-29) and then on the new earth (Rev. 21:1-8).[/quote]

Rev 21 clearly shows that the new Jersualem is in fact the Body of Christ (prepared as a bride for her husband") - it is not a physical structure and when Jesus returns he will be glorified within his saints. 2 Thess 1 10. You need to get over the fact that natural Jersualem is now inhabited by beasts and demons, end of story. When the spiritual realm collides with the spiritual realm and Christ is revealed, the natural things you speak of will be shown to irrelevant to those that are now unable to discern spiritual things.

[Bible 2=quote] Jesus' kingdom is Israel (Jn. 1:49, 12:13-15, 19:19, Lk. 22:30). That's why at his 2nd coming, he'll sit on the earthly throne of David (Lk. 1:32, Isa. 9:7) and restore the kingdom to Israel (Acts 1:6-7, 3:20-21). Jesus is, in his humanity, the son of David (Mt. 1:1, 21:15-16, Rom. 1:3), of the house of David (Lk. 1:69). So at Jesus' 2nd coming, he will restore the tabernacle, the house, of David (Isa. 16:5, Amos 9:11), to its royal glory (2 Sam. 5:12), which it had lost (2 Kin. 17:21a), and fulfill the prophecy and prayer of 2 Sam. 7:16-29. And Jesus will also bring salvation to all the unbelieving elect Jews of the house of David, for they (along with all other unbelieving elect Jews) will come into faith in Jesus when they see him at his 2nd coming (Zech. 12:10-14, 13:1,6, Rom. 11:26-31). And so they'll all become part of the church at that time, for there are no believers outside of the church (Eph. 4:4-6).[/quote]

Spiritual Jerusalem and spiritual Jews are all that count. Jews that accept Christ (the new covenant) will be reconciled to God. Not the 1st covenant, not circumcision, not their natural Jweish heritage, not natural Israel or the temple being rebuilt will suffice. Rather are contrary to the new thing Christ has done.

[Bible2=quote] Spiritualism says the trib is only spiritual events. Symbolicism says the trib is only symbolic of theological themes those in the church have always had to struggle with (e.g. Mt. 6:24), or is symbolic of only-local persecutions that some in the church have always had to face, and are still facing today. Preterism says the trib happened in 70 AD. Historicism says the trib happened over a long period in history (e.g. during the rise and height of the power of the RCC in Europe during the Middle Ages and after, or during the rise and spread of Islam in the Middle East and elsewhere during the Middle Ages and after). And pre-trib rapturism says Jesus will return and rapture the church into the 3rd heaven before the trib begins.[/quote]

The OT must be spiritualised for it to be relevant for this dispensation, (that is what is meant to do...point to this time) yet Christ made spiritual things manifest in the natural and he clearly spoke of tribulation for Christians, so clearly there is natural tribulation as well. Besides that there is revelation in the OT of such suffering.Just as Daniel and other faithful Jews (were 'raptured' into a safe place in Babylon, many faithful Christians will be protected from the harshness of the persecution the Body will be exposed to, but it will be on this earth. So in this regard you are somewhat presumptuous to give anyone that disagrees with you a 'view' and a doctrine and then debate that which you have applied to them.

[Bible2=quote] That's right, but it made the temple itself still relevant.[/quote]

It did not...it made prayer and thanksgiving relevant.

[Bible2=quote] That's right. And even if believers want to keep just 1 part of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (the OCML), such as the OCML sabbath, thinking they have to, they're as fallen from grace (Gal. 5:4) as believers who keep the letter of the OCML circumcision thinking they have to (Gal. 5:2). They've become debtors to perform the letter of the entire OCML (Gal. 5:3); they've placed themselves under its curse (Gal. 3:10).[/quote]

Just being circumcised has achieved the same thing and God certainly doesn't need the temple to be build to achieve this. The temple is an irrelevant work of religious men trying to work their way into heaven...not unlike any other religion. Works based efforts, the acts of unrighteous flesh..... an offense before God.

[Bible2=quote] Re: "that is now worthless", if by "that" you mean the OCML in itself, it's still holy before God (Rom. 7:12).[/quote]

The scripture says: Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just and good. This simply means those under the law (those who have not died to the flesh and been reborn under the new covenant) will be judged by the old law. But I spoke of the old temple which is worthless.

[Bible2=quote] Re: "given new meaning to each and every law of the Old Covenant", what scriptures are you referring to? Jesus & Paul said the spiritual meaning of every part of the OCML is loving others (Rom. 13:9-10, Mt. 7:12).[/quote]

Every old testament scripture has relevence to the current dispensation. It is spiritually discerned.

[Bible2=quote] It doesn't, just as currently it doesn't become secondary to the bread and wine of communion (Mt. 26:26-29, 1 Cor. 11:27-30, Jn. 6:53-57).
It shouldn't (for the Bible does that: Hebrews 9:13-28), just as not only comparing, but equating the blood of Christ and the wine of communion, shouldn't offend any Christian (Mt. 26:28-29, 1 Cor. 11:27-30, Jn. 6:53-57).[/quote]

I am contrasting the old with the new...you are comparing the new with the new.
The remaining comments you make re Gnosticism were not relevant to the points I made.

 

[berachah]

Yes, I made a mistake about the Pope on April 11, in inferring that the Pope and the Catholic Church was a part of Mystery Babylon… Does anyone out there know what Mystery Babylon is? Please tell me…

The end time Babylon is a world system that has a demonic authority...but it will be unlike any other 'beast' in that the demonic realm will be made manifest in this natural realm - somehow having co authority, whether by natural manifestation of demons or possession of the leaders of this system. (Probably both..much like the demons came down and bred with natural women just before the flood.)

The end time system will have its government in the UN, it religious headship in a UN managed world religion probably HQ'd in Jerusalem with a system that somehow satisfies carnal Christianity (including the Catholic church), Islam and Judaism, as well as the other come lately faiths. Probably something alongs the lines that we are gods or becoming gods.

There will be no need for a world army as there will only be zones or tighly controlled regions, manged by internal security forces.

All facets of society will be tightly controlled; finances, property, choices of work or where we can live. Microchips, video surveillance, and audio surveilance will abound, there will be no privacy. Everybody will serve the state in some way. The state being the self appointed elite - the wealthy, who will rotate the roles of leadership.

Of course Christians will be considered to be genetically flawed and will be required to be eliminated to advance mankind.

Carnal Christians will resist the system only to be persecuted brutally. Many faithful Christians will submit to the end time Bablyon system, only to be called out at the very end to avoid the judgement of Babylon.

 

[tranquil]

The end time Babylon is a world system that has a demonic authority...but it will be unlike any other 'beast' in that the demonic realm will be made manifest in this natural realm - somehow having co authority, whether by natural manifestation of demons or possession of the leaders of this system. (Probably both..much like the demons came down and bred with natural women just before the flood.)

The end time system will have its government in the UN, it religious headship in a UN managed world religion probably HQ'd in Jerusalem with a system that somehow satisfies carnal Christianity (including the Catholic church), Islam and Judaism, as well as the other come lately faiths. Probably something alongs the lines that we are gods or becoming gods.

There will be no need for a world army as there will only be zones or tighly controlled regions, manged by internal security forces.

All facets of society will be tightly controlled; finances, property, choices of work or where we can live. Microchips, video surveillance, and audio surveilance will abound, there will be no privacy. Everybody will serve the state in some way. The state being the self appointed elite - the wealthy, who will rotate the roles of leadership.

Of course Christians will be considered to be genetically flawed and will be required to be eliminated to advance mankind.

Carnal Christians will resist the system only to be persecuted brutally. Many faithful Christians will submit to the end time Bablyon system, only to be called out at the very end to avoid the judgement of Babylon.

For the most part, I agree.

Of course Christians will be considered to be genetically flawed and will be required to be eliminated to advance mankind.

My own opinion is that Christians will be "tainted" with "nephilim" DNA. People will think that Prince William will be the new Christ and that his blood will cure the world that is infected with a sort of "demon virus". The superflu, "spread by demonic aliens", has" infected the world", and only his blood/ vaccine can "cure the demonic infection". The mark of the beast would thus be: a tattoo hexagram (to prove that one is not "possessed by a demon"- to blaspheme God since He said not to be tattoed) and a mark of Cain (mark of protection) proof of vaccination along with a microchip used in conjunction with one's cell phone for financial transactions.

The daily sacrifice has not been taken away, the abomination of desolation takes his place within the temple (which, in this dispensation, pertains to the Body of Christ) and Nostradamus was almost certainly demon possessed.

My theory is that Satanists use prophecy as magic. I didn't mean to imply that Nostradamus was "inspired" or not - just that he has high profile prophecies and thus his prophecies would be replicated.

As to the daily sacrifice being taken away. There will be many "ritualized" abominations and "ritualized" destructions. Since Jesus is the daily sacrifice, Satanists correctly understand this passage as meaning when people worship other gods. But, Satanists are also literalists so that they can blaspheme God. So, there will be the antichrist at the very end of the tribulation standing in a rebuilt temple.

 

[Bible2]

interpreter said in post #30:

In Hitler's book, Mein Kampf, he states his plan to require everyone wanting to buy or sell food to carry a permit stamped with the swastika.

The "mark of the beast" (Rev. 13:16-17, 16:2) will be a mark placed on people's right hands or foreheads, and probably by scarification. For one of the definitions of "charagma" (the original Greek word used in Rev. 13:16 to refer to the mark) is a scratch or etching, and scarification is the scratching or etching (i.e. the cutting) of the skin to leave a permanent mark. The reason people will be given the mark in Rev. 13:16, in the context of what had been shown just previously in Rev. 13:4,8,15, will be to serve as a visible indicator to other people that they're loyal worshippers of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) (Rev. 13:4, 12:9) and of the Antichrist (the AC) and his image (Rev. 13:4,8,15), just as some Luciferians today put a mark on themselves by scarification.

The mark will consist of only the name of the AC (the individual-man aspect of the beast) "or" the gematrial number of his name (Rev. 13:17-18), meaning the mark will be the AC's name for some people and the gematrial number of his name for other people. And the mark will be placed only on the right hands (probably on the palms) of people "or" on their foreheads (Rev. 13:16), meaning it will be placed on the right hands of some people and on the foreheads of other people.

Those who refuse to receive the AC's mark won't be allowed to buy or sell anything (Rev. 13:17), and they will be executed by being beheaded if they refuse to worship the AC and his image (Rev. 13:15, 20:4). Christians must be willing to suffer this fate rather than agree to receive the AC's mark or worship him or his image, for those who agree to do those things (even if they're Christians) will suffer God's wrath in fire and brimstone forever (Rev. 14:9-13), whereas those Christians who refuse to do those things, even though they will be beheaded, they will subsequently be physically resurrected into immortality (along with the rest of the church) at Jesus' 2nd coming (Rev. 20:4-6, 1 Cor. 15:21-23,52-58). And even before their physical resurrection, at the moment of their death their still-conscious souls will be brought into the presence of Jesus in heaven (2 Cor. 5:8, Philip. 1:21,23, Rev. 6:9-10, Lk. 23:43,46).

For the sake of the elect, those days were cut short.

Mk. 13:20 can mean that if the Lord hadn't already shortened (as in "he hath shortened": Mk. 13:20) the number of days, hadn't already determined (from the beginning of Creation, cf. Isa. 46:10) that he would return on the 1,335th day after the abomination of desolation is set up (Dan. 12:11-12, Rev. 16:15) -- which 1,335th day would be immediately after the future tribulation of Rev. chs. 6-18/Mt 24 (Mt. 24:29-31), immediately after the worldwide destruction of the 7th vial (or bowl) (Rev. 16:19, Rev. 19:2-20:6) -- but instead had determined to just let the world suffer through the aftermath of the 7th vial, then all flesh on the earth would die in the aftermath, which could involve a nuclear winter scenario (which the Lord will miraculously prevent at his 2nd coming) brought on by the 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire nuking the cities of the earth at the 7th vial (Rev. 17:16-17a, Rev. 16:19).

The number six represents head # 6 of the beast which is pagan Rome. The Second and Third Reich are the second and third head # 6.

The 7 heads of the beast in its empire aspect (Rev. 13:1, 17:3) represent 7 empires (Rev. 17:9-10): Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, & (possibly) Islam. The first 5 had fallen by the time of John in the 1st century AD: "five are fallen" (Rev. 17:10, 1:1b-2). The 6th (Rome) existed at the time of John: "one is" (Rev. 17:10). The 7th (possibly Islam) had not come by the time of John: "the other is not yet come" (Rev. 17:10). The empire of the Antichrist (the AC) (the individual-man aspect of the beast) will be a different, still-future, 8th head (Rev. 17:11), which will be a revival of 1 of the 5 empires which had fallen by the time of John (Rev. 17:8,10-11). It could be a revival of the empire of Babylon. The AC may claim to be Nebuchadnezzar returned, and so reinstitute the system that Nebuchadnezzar set up whereby everyone had to worship an image or be killed (Dan. 3, Rev. 13:15).

And the AC could make his world capital in the rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq), & build a main temple to himself (& Lucifer/Satan) there. For a temple to "wickedness" will be built in Shinar (Babylonia) (Zech. 5:8,11), & the AC is called "that Wicked" (2 Thes. 2:8). He may also claim to be Nimrod (the founder of Babylon: Gen. 10:8-10), & Hammurabi, & Asoka, et al. For the AC may claim he's had many different "past lives" as different human rulers.

. . . chapters 6 -14 have already come to pass . . .

The trib of Rev. chs. 6-18 hasn't started yet. It will begin with a horrible war, which, with its aftermath of famines & epidemics, will end up killing 1/4 of the world (Rev. 6:4-8). The "great sword" of this war (Rev. 6:4) could be Israel's nuclear weapons. After that, there will be a terrible series of natural disasters historically unprecedented in their magnitude, such as a gigantic volcanic eruption (Rev. 6:12-14), possibly of the Yellowstone Caldera, & then the collapse into the ocean of another volcano (Rev. 8:8-9), possibly 1 of the Canary Islands, the collapse of which could set up a huge tsunami which could destroy the eastern seaboard of the U.S. If such a tsunami occurs, it could cause a string of awful, Fukushima-style nuclear-meltdown radiation disasters in the nuclear power plants & their nuclear-waste storage facilities along the eastern seaboard of the U.S. Also, if the tsunami breaks open the germ-containment structures on Plum Island, just off the coast of Connecticut, especially-deadly viruses & bacteria could be washed inland & spread across the U.S. as they infect animals & people.

After the volcanic activity & possible tsunami, a comet will strike the earth (Rev. 8:10-11), possibly in the U.S./Canadian Great Lakes region. As the comet falls from the sky it will look like a great star, or like a burning lamp in the sky (Rev. 8:10). It will strike a region of the earth which contains 1/3 of the world's fresh surface water (Rev. 8:10b), & it will contain some poisonous element which will poison that water so that many who drink from it will die (Rev. 8:11b). Sometime after that, weird locust-like beings will swarm up from the bottomless pit of the earth to torment mankind with excruciating stings for 5 months (Rev. 9:2-10). The world could see them as "aliens" who'd been hibernating for thousands of years in a cavern deep underground. The locust-like beings won't kill anyone, but they'll make those they sting want to die the pain will be so bad (Rev. 9:5-6). For details re: subsequent events of the trib, see http://www.christianforums.com/blogs/u77506-e14708/

. . . we are now experiencing the 7 last plagues . . .

Not yet. See the "Vials" part of post #26.

 

[Bible2]

berachah said in post #34:

Rev 21 clearly shows that the new Jersualem is in fact the Body of Christ (prepared as a bride for her husband") - it is not a physical structure . . .

Revelation 21:9b-10 and Revelation 21:2 mean that the physical structure of the literal city of New Jerusalem is a picture of the church. Something can be literal and at the same time symbolically picture something else. For example, the fig tree in Matthew 21:19 was literal and at the same time its being without fruit symbolically pictured unbelieving Israel being without fruit (Matthew 21:43).

Just as New Jerusalem's wall foundations have the names of the twelve apostles on them (Revelation 21:14), so the church's foundation is the apostles (Ephesians 2:20). And just as New Jerusalem's gates have the names of the twelve tribes of Israel on them (Revelation 21:12), so the church consists of the twelve tribes of Israel. For all genetic Jews in the church remain members of whichever tribe of Israel they were born into (Rom. 11:1, Acts 4:36), and all genetic Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel (Rom. 11:17,24, Eph. 2:12,19, Gal. 3:29), and so have been grafted into its various tribes (cf. Ezek. 47:21-23). So the entire church is the 12 tribes of Israel (Rev. 21:9,12).

New Jerusalem is a literal city; it's the Father's house in the 3rd heaven (Rev. 21:2-3, cf. 2 Cor. 12:2b,4, Rev. 2:7b, 22:2,14), in which house Jesus prepared a place for the church (Jn. 14:2). All those in the church, both Jews and Gentiles, have figuratively come to New Jerusalem by coming under the New Covenant (Heb. 12:22-24, Gal. 4:24-26), which is made only with Israel (Jer. 31:31-34), and which only the church comes under by believing in Jesus' New Covenant death on the Cross for our sins (Mt. 26:28, 1 Cor. 11:25, 2 Cor. 3:6, Heb. 9:15), the very heart of the gospel (1 Cor. 15:1-4). The church looks for Jesus' return from heaven (Philip. 3:20) and his setting up of his millennial kingdom on the earth with the physically resurrected church (Rev. 20:4-6, 5:10, 2:26-29). New Jerusalem won't descend from the 3rd heaven to the earth until after a new earth (i.e. a new surface of the earth) has been created (Rev. 21:1-4), sometime after the millennium and subsequent events are over (Rev. 20:7-15). The resurrected church will physically live and reign in New Jerusalem with God on the new earth (Rev. 21:1-22:5).

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berachah said in post #33:

The daily sacrifice has not been taken away, the abomination of desolation takes his place within the temple (which, in this dispensation, pertains to the Body of Christ) . . .

Re: the "abomination of desolation" (the AOD), Dan. 11:31 was typically fulfilled by the AOD in 1 Maccabees 1:54, which occurred in the holy place of the 2nd Jewish temple in Jerusalem in the time of Antiochus IV. But per Mt. 24:15, the church will see the AOD in Dan. 11:31 fulfilled (antitypically) in the future, when the church will see the AOD "stand" "in" the holy place (of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem). This future AOD could be a standing, android image of the Antichrist (the AC) (Rev. 13:15) which his followers ("they") will put in the holy place of the temple (Dan. 11:31) to be worshipped (Rev. 13:15), after "they" have stopped the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices which the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel will have restarted in front of the temple (Dan. 11:31). This image will "pollute" the holy place of the temple (Dan. 11:31). The AC will then fulfill Dan. 11:36/2 Thes. 2:4 by sitting himself in the temple & proclaiming himself God. By the power of Satan (the dragon), the AC (the individual-man aspect of the beast) will then rule & be worshipped by all the nations of the earth for 3.5 literal years (Rev. 13:4-8), & will physically overcome Biblical Christians in every nation (Rev. 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4, Mt. 24:9-13).

Also, from the day on which (antitypically) "the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be 1,290 days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the 1,335 days" (Dan. 12:11-12, Rev. 16:15). Also, because the AC will fulfill Dan. 11:31 antitypically & will fulfill Dan. 11:36 for the 1st (& only) time, then he'll also fulfill all of Dan. 11:21-45 (the 1st part of it antitypically, & the rest for the 1st & only time) when he arises on the world stage, for that passage refers to the career of the same man. And since the AC will fulfill all of Dan. 11:21-45 when he arises on the world stage, then just preceding his arising on the world stage, Dan. 11:13-19 could be antitypically fulfilled by an Iraqi Baathist General defeating & occupying Israel & Egypt with a huge Iraqi Army (Dan. 11:15-17; in verse 17, the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath").

 

[tranquil]

Just a quick update on the past couple days.

May 10th was ON the 1290th day, May 11th was after 1290 days.

On May 10th, we had news of:
the Olympic torch lighting ceremony celebrating Zeus/ Jupiter/ Satan.

and

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/isr...es-of-the-arabs-will-be-jerusalem/2012/05/10/

Muslim Brotherhood: ‘The Capital of the United States of the Arabs Will be Jerusalem’

The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood launched presidential candidate Muhammad Mursi’s campaign with the promise that “the capital of the Caliphate – the capital of the United States of the Arabs – will be Jerusalem,” according to a transcript obtained by MEMRI.
[...]
“The capital of the Caliphate – the capital of the United States of the Arabs,” he continued, “will be Jerusalem, Allah willing!”
Not long afterward, Higazi reiterated the campaign promise, but this time in more unequivocal language: “Our capital shall not be Cairo, Mecca, or Medina. It shall be Jerusalem, Allah willing. Our cry shall be: ‘Millions of martyrs march toward Jerusalem! Millions of martyrs march toward Jerusalem!’”

and

On May 11th,
5.5 magnitude earthquake shakes Israel, ... JPost - National News
5.5 magnitude earthquake shakes Israel, Lebanon


And this one is just strange. Prince Charles does the weather forecast:
BBC News - Prince Charles weather forecast sweeps the globe

Because the antichrist changes times and dates, I think it's important to include important news from the past couple days also that were important:
On May 9th, archaeologists say that they have found evidence for Solomon's Temple: Israeli artifacts support Solomon’s Temple, archaeologists say - The Washington Post
And on May 8th, Prince Harry visited Washington, DC to pick up a humanitarian award: Prince Harry touches down in Washington, DC, to meet injured war veterans and collect a prestigious award | Mail Online
Here's a semi-recent very strange news item about Prince Harry: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-harry/9135715/Prince-Harry-puts-the-fun-into-charity-run-with-Prince-William-mask.html
Prince Harry puts the fun into charity run with Prince William mask

Prince Harry continued his prank filled Diamond Jubilee tour by crossing the line in a charity fun run in Brazil wearing a mask bearing the face of his brother Prince William.

This is just ritualistic code for making an image of the beast (Prince William) that he offers up for people to worship, as the 2nd beast from the earth does.


The ritualistic relationship between Harry and William can be best seen here:

BBC NEWS | UK | Harry says sorry for Nazi costume

Prince Harry has apologised for wearing a swastika armband to a friend's fancy dress party.

[...]
The Sun reported that Prince William was also at the party - dressed as a lion.

Prince Harry is a Nazi, and Prince William is the Lion of Judah/ messiah.

 

[NumberOneSon]

You also claimed that the Abomination of Desolation and sudden destruction would occur today. So what was the AoD and where is the sudden destruction?