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Dangerous Days in 2012 & Revelations timeline

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by tranquil, Feb 21, 2012.

  1. tranquil

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    [Please note: I don't believe in Nephilim, aliens, "aliens are demons", UFO's, stargates, or that 2012 is the "end of the world". The elites want us to believe in these things to lead us down the path to worshipping the antichrist.]

    This post is best understood in conjunction with my previous post, 2012 and 8-24-16. http://www.christianforums.com/t7620213/

    IMO, 2012 is a ritualized "end of the world" that allows the antichrist to be like Christ. Jesus Christ comes at the end of the world, so, the antichrist wants an "end of the world" for himself.

    In other words, 2012 will be a pantomime of the real end of the tribulation in 2016. A replicated Armageddon, a decoy Gog/ Magog war etc. My working assumption is that Prince William, the Zionist antichrist, will forge a peace agreement with the Islamic antichrist, Mahdi, that forms the NWO (which is consistent with Islamic prophecy).

    But just because it is not the "true" end of the world, doesn't mean that the Satanic elites don't follow the "rules". They knowingly fulfill prophecy in a very literal manner. This timeline hopefully will shed light on what will happen in 2012.

    Matthew 24
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    From this passage we get this truncated prophetic/ ritual pattern: abomination of desolation (on the 1290th day as per Daniel 12:11), sudden destruction, false Christs and prophets, the sun is darkened, the moon is darkened, stars fall, sign of the Son of Man, rapture gathering.

    It's my contention that this pattern will repeat with increasing intensity throughout 2012. In its simplest form it is this: a beast dies on the 1260th day (times, 2 times, and ½ times – 3.5 biblical years), an abomination of desolation occurs on the 1290th day, sudden destruction occurs, the sun is darkened, the moon is darkened, the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, and a symbolic rapture. This pattern appears 3 or 4 times in 2012.

    One special case I'll mention right off the bat is March 12, 2012, a very important date. 3-12-12 is 1260 days before 8-24-15, the beginning of the death of Mystery Babylon which triggers Daniel 9's 70 weeks unto the messiah prophecy. 8-24-15 plus 70 weeks ends on 12-25-16, Hanukah and Christmas, and the date of Bowl 7. Daniel 7:11-12 refers to this timeframe:
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    This “season and a time” is a reference to Daniel’s 70 weeks prophecy.
    Because there is no set of eclipses immediately after this date, it doesn't appear to have a "sudden destruction" element involved.
    Now let's look at the other dates.


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    April 11, 2012 (the 1260th day), death and/ or start of a beast. A Pope starts or leaves office. (10-29-08 plus 1260 days = 4-11-12. 4-11-12 plus 1260 is 9-23-15, lunar eclipse and Sukkot. Mystery Babylon, the Catholic church in Jerusalem dies on 9-23-15, the first beast casualty in the tribulation, burned by the 10 kings allied with the antichrist.)
    May 11, 2012, (the 1290th day) Abomination of Desolation and sudden destruction.
    May 20, 2012, the sun is darkened (solar eclipse)
    June 4, 2012, the moon is darkened (lunar eclipse) – there are only 2 solar eclipses and 2 lunar eclipses in 2012.
    June 25, 2012, (the 1335th day) sign of the son of Man in heaven, Ezekiel's UFO sighting on the 5th of Tammuz

    2]
    July 4, 2012 (the 1260th day), death of a beast. Obama removed from office. 1-21-09 inauguration plus 1260 days.
    August 3, 2012, (the 1290th day) Abomination of Desolation and sudden destruction.
    August 2012, the sun is darkened (an unnatural solar eclipse) as per Islamic hadith for Ramadan
    August 2012, the moon is darkened (an unnatural lunar eclipse) as per Islamic hadith
    August/ September 2012, sign of the son of Man in heaven, signs of "life on Mars" (Mars rover lands August 6, 2012.)
    September 17, 2012, Rosh Hashannah. (the 1335th day) A possible false rapture event here.

    3]
    October 11, 2012 (the 1260th day), death of a beast. 4-30-09, Beltane, plus 1260 days. Maybe this is the "death of the dollar" or Israel.
    November 10, 2012, (the 1290th day) Abomination of Desolation and sudden destruction. IMO, this will be worst one, a faked asteroid event.
    November 13, 2012, the sun is darkened (solar eclipse)
    November 24, 2012, as per hadith this is Mahdi's global call to revolution. (False Christ)
    November 28, 2012, the moon is darkened (lunar eclipse) – again, there are only 2 solar eclipses and 2 lunar eclipses in 2012. One set occurs after the May Abomination event, the other set occurs after the November Abomination event.
    December 2, 2012, sign of the son of Man in heaven as per the 3 Days of Darkness Catholic prophecy – a cross in the sky on Advent.
    December 21, 2012 A false rapture event.

    4]
    November 22, 2012, (the 1260th day after 6-11-9), death of a beast. This should be the death of the EU - the 1260th day after the EU/ Israel agreement on June 11, 2009. A 10 country kingdom should arise here shortly.
    December 21, 2012, (the 1290th day begins Friday at sundown), Abomination of Desolation event and sudden destruction.


    Here is a brief overview of the entire Tribulation.

    Seal 1. False Christs. 12-9-09 (the Obama Nobel Peace Prize with the coincident Norway Spiral event- "wise men following the star to the Prince of Peace"), 12-25-12 (Prince William – who pilots a "Sea King" helicopter and a "Hereford Endeavor" boat – Hereford is a red hefer/ cattle breed), and others.
    Seal 2. War
    Seal 3. Famine
    Seal 4. Death and Hades are given dominion over ¼ of the earth.
    Seal 5. Cry of the Martyrs
    Seal 6. Passover 4-14-14 through 4-22-14 and Passover 4-3-15 through 4-11-15.
    Seal 7. 4-12-15 through 4-22-15, after the Seal 6 events and Passover. This is the start of "about a ½ hour of silence in the heavens" (1/2 hour is 7.5 days/ 1 day is one year of recompense for Zion = 1/48th of a year. After the events of Seal 6 (Sun darkened from the solar eclipse on 3-20-15, Nisan 1, the Jewish New Year, and the moon darkened on 4-4-15, stars falling, and men hide in caves) and the Passover sealing of the servants, there is a silence in heaven for 10 days and then Trumpets 1-5 are allowed to go forward. (Rev 8: 1-5)

    Start of the Day/ Year of the Lord on 3-24-15 or 4-4-15, Passover after the solar eclipse on 3-20-15, Nisan 1, the Jewish new year, and the lunar eclipse on Passover itself.
    Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come."

    Trumpet 1-5. 4-22-15. Trumpet 5's Abaddon, the angel with the key to the bottomless pit, (see Rev 20:1-2) binds Satan for a 1000 years – meaning the Day/ Year of the Lord. Satan is released for the 2nd time on 3-24-16, Purim and total lunar eclipse, Bowl 5. Trumpet 5 lasts for 5 months.
    Trumpet 6. 9-22/23-15, Yom Kippur/ Day of Atonement is the destruction of the whore of Babylon, the 1st Armageddon. (The 1290th day from 4-11-12.)
    Trumpet 7. 9-28-15, Sukkot/ Feast of Tabernacles and lunar eclipse. 2300 days (Daniel 8:13-14) after 6-11-9, the sanctuary is cleansed, meaning the whore of Babylon is destroyed. The 7th Trumpet is associated with mankind viewing the ark of the covenant (Rev. 11:19). The Ark is also known as the tabernacle. In other words, Sukkot/ Feast of Tabernacles is when the viewing of the Tabernacle/ Ark takes place.

    Bowls 1-4. The aftermath of nuclear war, 1st Armageddon.
    Bowl 5. 3-23/24-16, Purim and lunar eclipse. "Darkness and Pain". The end of the Day/ Year of the Lord. Satan is released a 2nd time here after the millennium. From 2 Peter 3: 8-9, "With the Lord, a day is like a thousand years" – the implication here is that the millennium is the "day of the Lord" that ended on 3-24-16.
    Bowl 6. 8-24-16 is the 2nd Armageddon, 5 months after 3-24-16.
    Bowl 7. 12-24/25-16, Hanukah lands on Christmas. The rededication of the temple and the "birth" of the temple/ messiah. 9 months after 3-24-16 and subsequent "birth" on Christmas.

    Cont'd
     
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    What follows here is a timeline of the tribulation dates and other notable holidays/ events.

    10-29-08 Obama's TV spot, the covenant with the many ritual. 10-29-08 plus 2520 days = 9-23-15, Yom Kippur/ Day of Atonement, Trumpet 6, the destruction of Mystery Babylon, the 1st Armageddon.

    4-16-09. Swine flu outbreak begins, coinciding with Obama's trip to Mexico. (4-16-09 plus 1290 days is 10-27-12, the day of the Jerusalem war ending. Plus 1335 days is 12-11-12, the exact mid point of the 7 solar year tribulation from 6-11-2009 through 6-10-16.)

    6-11-9. On June 11, 2009, Israel made a security treaty with the EU. Please note, it has not been "confirmed" yet. Also, it is in EU style day/ month/ year format.

    TREATIES OFFICE DATABASE
    It's the 3rd one down, with the asterix.

    TREATIES OFFICE DATABASE

    6-11-9 plus 1290 days (Daniel 12:11) is when the abomination of desolation is set up, on Friday at sundown, 12-21-12. 6-11-9 plus 7 solar years ends on 6-10-16. 12-28-12 plus 1260 days = 6-10-16. Plus 1290 days is 7-10-16. Plus 1335 days is 8-24-16.
    6-11-9 plus 7 solar years ends on 6-10-16. Israel's 6 day war was 6-5-67 through 6-10-67 and allowed them to reclaim Jerusalem. 6-10-67 plus 49 Jubilee years ends on 6-10-16!
    6-11-16 sundown starts Shavuot/ Pentecost.
    2300 days (Daniel 8:14) from 6-11-9 is September 28, 2015, Sukkot, also a total lunar eclipse occurrence.

    8-24-11. Rally to Restore Courage to Jerusalem hosted by Glenn Beck, a veiled ritual reference to restoring Jerusalem unto the messiah, Daniel 9's 70 weeks prophecy. 8-24-11 plus 70 weeks unto the (anti) messiah ends on 12-25-12.
    9-17-11. Occupy Wall Street begins. Plus 70 weeks unto an (anti-) messiah is 1-19-13.
    11-9-11. The FEMA emergency signal broadcast on 11-9-11 was "all eyes will see Him" ritual (referring to the beginning of Christ's return). 11-9-11 plus 70 weeks (unto the (anti) messiah is 3-13-13. 3-13-13 plus 1260 days is 8-24-16. 11-9-11 plus 1260 days is 4-22-15.

    3-12-12. Something BIG will go down on this date! Start of a Beast kingdom. 3-12-12 plus 1260 is 8-24-15. Plus 1290 days is 9-23-15, Yom Kippur/ Day of Atonement, Trumpet 6, the 1st Armageddon that destroys the whore of Babylon. 8-24-15 plus 70 weeks unto the messiah takes us to 12-25-16, when Hanukah lands on Christmas, Bowl 7.
    4-11-12. Death and/ or start of a beast. 10-29-08 plus 1260 days= the end of a beast kingdom. Here, it is a symbolic death involving the Catholic Church, Mystery Babylon. A pope steps down or a new pope is chosen. Mid point of 2520 days, 10-29-8 through 9-23-15.

    4-21-12. Arab spring started on 12-18-10. Plus 70 weeks for the Arab messiah on 4-21-12.
    4-25-12. Beginning of the 36th week from 8-24-11, Rally to Restore Jerusalem ritual, the middle of the 70 weeks ending on 12-25-12. This is a signal for the beginning of the Abomination of Desolation event that culminates on 5-11-12.
    5-11-12. Abomination of Desolation and Sudden Destruction. 10-29-08 plus 1290 days = 5-11-12. The pattern is: Abomination of desolation on the 1290th day, sudden destruction, then the sun darkens (solar eclipse on 5-20-12), and the moon is darkened (the lunar eclipse on 6-4-12). Immediately following these events, the sign of the Son of Man in heaven (6-25-12, 5th of Tammuz UFO) and then a (false) rapture.
    5-20-12. Solar eclipse.
    6-4-12. Partial lunar eclipse.
    6-25-12 1335 days after 10-29-08. 5th of Tammuz, anniversary of Ezekiel's UFO appearance.


    7-4-12. Seal 1. Death of a beast kingdom. Obama is removed from office, 1-21-09 plus 1260 = 7-4-12.

    War, Famine, Disease – Death and Hades given dominion in Seal 4.

    7-6-12. 16th of Tammuz, golden calf created, people panic about Moses and create new "leader"
    7-7-12. 17th of Tammuz, golden calf destroyed anniversary. (3 days after 7-4-12, implying there is some sort of "resurrection" here.)

    7-20-12. 1st of Ramadan, unnatural lunar eclipse.
    7-21-12. 5 months to 12-21-12 means a possible appearance of Abaddon.
    8-3-12. Unnatural Solar eclipse. Also, the call/ scream. 3 Major Earthquakes as per Islamic hadith for the 15th of Ramadan. Abomination of Desolation/ Armageddon event- 1290 days after 1-21-9, Obama's real inauguration date.

    8-11-12 . (hadith) call in the sky 23rd of Ramadan and the rising of the People of the Cave/ Nephilim.
    8-3 through 8-12, 2012. False Seal 5. Cry of the Martyrs. London Olympics terrorist attack by Iran – “being hated for His namesake” –"Zion" London Olympics Logo.

    8-13/14-12. Laylat Ul Qadr, Night of Power in Islam – anniversary of the Prophet Mohammed receiving the scriptures.

    8-19-12 A possible Satanic replication of Moses going up to Mt. Sinai on Elul 1. אלול - Elul and Selichot Possibly some sort of NASA mission "to save the world". If so, watch for the astronaut Mark Kelly.

    9-17-12 Rosh Hashanah/ Feast of Trumpets. 1335 days after 1-21-09, Obama's inauguration. 390 days after 8-24-11, the "Rally to restore Jerusalem" ritual.

    9-24-12 through 9-26. Tishri 7-10, the temple is raised. (Ezekiel 40:1-2) The return of "Moses"/ a false prophet from 40 days on the holy mountain. The relationship with God restored, punishment for the golden calf worked out, a day of forgiveness.

    10-11-12. The power of a beast or Babylon is destroyed.
    1260 days after 4-30-09 (Beltane). 10-11-12 plus 1260 days is 3-24-16, Bowl 5. 4-30-09 plus 1290 days is 11-10-12. Plus 1335 days is 12-25-12.

    10-14-12. 10-14-12 plus 1335 is 6-10-16. (3 days to be reborn after "dying".)

    10-27-12. 430th day after 8-24-11, the "Rally to Restore Jerusalem" ritual, ending the war in Jerusalem (possibly due to the beast being destroyed). 1290th day after the swine flu outbreak that coincided with Obama's trip to Mexico. It could be such that this is the start of the Russian invasion of Jerusalem when Israelis think they are done warring.

    11-10-12. Abomination of Desolation event. 4-30-09, Beltane, plus 1290 days = 11-10-12. (Plus 1335 is 12-25-12). Here is the most likely date for the “asteroid hits the earth event”. Again, the pattern is: Abomination of desolation, sudden destruction, then the sun darkens (11-13-12), then the moon is darkened (11-28-12). Immediately following these events, the sign of the Son of Man in heaven (12-2-12 as per the 3 Days of Darkness Catholic prophecy – a cross in the sky) and then the false rapture (12-21-12).
    This event could end the false Armageddon or Gog/ Magog war.

    11-11-12. A false Christ appears here.

    11-13-12. Total solar eclipse.
    11-22-12. Death of a beast, 1260 days after 6-11-09. Death of the EU and the start of the formation of the 10 horn kingdom.

    11-24-12. Day of Ashura, 10th of Muharram: Mahdi's global call to revolution.
    11-28-12. Penumbral lunar eclipse. (Next lunar eclipse is not until 4-25-13.) 11-28-12 plus 1290 days is 6-10-16.

    12-2-12. the Warning. Sign of the Son of Man in sky. A (false) cross in the sky as per the 3 Days of Darkness prophecy occurring on Advent. THE THREE DAYS OF DARKNESS


    12-13-12. Feast of St. Lucy. False Bowl 4, men scorched. The Miracle of the 3 Days of Darkness Catholic prophecy- "Lucy" is light/ lux. Betelguese might be said to go supernova, stripping the earth of its ozone layer. Or, according to New Age sources, this is the day when we will see a bluish white light emanating from the galactic center. This is said to start an era of "mutations" to a higher evolution. (Radiation is "changing people's DNA".) Also this night begins the time when the Horn Zu-Shifa rises in the East "comet with a tail" is seen (Islamic hadith says the comet starts at the beginning of the month of Safar, Dec. 13/14.)

    12-18-12. The signing of a peace agreement that forms the NWO. The Pope calling for the NWO on 7-7-9 with the encyclical, Truth in Charity. 7-7-9 plus 1260 is 12-18-12. Also, the beginning of the 70th week as per the 8-24-11 Rally ritual ending on 12-25-12. Thus 12-21-12 is the "middle" of this last week when a covenant will be broken.
    12-21-12. A false rapture event.
    12-21/22-12. Abomination of Desolation event on the 1290th day after 6-11-09.

    1-19-13. Occupy Wall Street messiah arrival. Seems to coincide with a new US president or leader. 9-17-11 plus 70 weeks.


    2-5-13. 1335 days after 6-11-9
    3-13-13. 70 wks after 11-9-11 – 70 weeks unto (anti-) messiah ritual. 3-13-13 plus 1260 days is 8-24-16, Bowl 6, the 2nd Armageddon.

    3-20-15. Solar eclipse on Nisan 1, Jewish New Year.
    3-24-15. Start of the Day/ Year of the Lord
    4-4-15. Lunar eclipse on Passover. Seal 6.
    4-11-15 through 4-22-15. Seal 7 during "about ½ an hour of silence" after the events of Seal 6.

    4-22-15. Plus 70 weeks to the messiah on 8-24-16. Trumpets 1-5. Abaddon, the angel with the key to the bottomless pit is released to bind Satan for the "millennium", ie the Day/ Year of the Lord. 5 months of locusts/ torment.

    9-22-15. Yom Kippur/ Day of Atonement is Trumpet 6, the 1st Armageddon that destroys the whore of Babylon.
    9-28-15. Sukkot/ Feast of Tabernacles and total lunar eclipse. The death of Mystery Babylon, the whore of Babylon destroyed by the 10 kings in alliance with the antichrist. 6-11-09 plus 2300 days (Daniel 8:14). This event is Trumpet 7, when the ark (the tabernacle) is seen in heaven.

    3-8-16. Solar eclipse. Part of Bowl 5, Darkness and Pain.
    3-23/24-16. Purim and lunar eclipse. End of the Day/ Year of the Lord. This is Bowl 5. Satan was bound at Trumpet 5 and is now released again after the millennium/ Day/ Year of the Lord on Bowl 5. 3-24-16 plus 9 months is 12-24-16, Hanukah and Christmas "birth", Bowl 7. 3-24-16 plus 5 months (Bowl 5 and Trumpet 5 correspondence) is 8-24-16, Bowl 6.
    6-10-16. Death of a beast kingdom (12-28-12 plus 1260) (6-11-09 plus 7 solar years ends on 6-10-16) and the end of the 49 Jubilee years from the reclaiming of Jerusalem in the 6 Day War, 6-5-67 through 6-10-67.
    7-10-16. 1290th day after 12-28-12, the abomination of desolation that triggers the 2nd Armageddon.
    8-18-16. End of lunar Saros cycle 109.
    8-24-16. The 2nd Armageddon, Bowl 6.

    9-1-16. Solar eclipse. "Immediately after tribulation of those days the sun and moon will be darkened".
    9-16-16. Lunar eclipse.

    12-24/25-16. Bowl 7. Hanukah lands on Christmas. The rededication of the temple celebration combined with the "birth" of the new temple/ messiah on Christmas.
     
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    and as all these projections prove false or they are reimagined after the fact in a more spiritual manner where does that leave you? To add credibility in releasing a word like this one should prophesy under ones actual name. That way accountability is there. Can you think of one Biblical prophet who prophesied under a nom de guerre? Jesus sure did not. I appreciate the zeal that drives you in trying to understand the scripture and the end times but one does need to be alert that credibility goes out the window if one misses the mark as I believe you are doing.
    love ya, josephearl
     
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    berachah Jesus Christ is Lord of heaven and earth

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    For end time prophecy using the OT one has to discern the spiritual equivalent (of the natural events in the OT) to rightly discern the times we are in. Anything else is guesswork at best.
     
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    Almighty's humble servant Fisher of men

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    For a guy who won't regard the affections of women(a/c), Prince William sure made a big deal of that Kate Middleton lass.

    The a/c could be a gay, or try to mimic Christ Jesus in the regards to women. However, there is a man, a lesser prominent man who is currently a global activist who many consider the messiah already. This man has claimed to be married, but his wife is unknown to ANYONE, as is his child. Also, no women have come forward to say they have known him.

    He claims we are our own messiah. He claims we are all part of whichever god we choose. And in being god we must make the world into utopia united as one.

    He has Jewish ancestry, from the tribe of Dan. He has a buhddist tradition, but denies the god of buddhism is the only god(self). He also denies the God of his fathers(Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob).

    As noted earlier he is a lesser prominent horn.

    Can anyone figure his identity from the clues given above?:sorry:

    I won't say his name b/c I refuse to bear false witness. BUT....I will say many are claiming he is the mahdi, the messiah, the christ, the krisna, the buddha, and even quezacotal:doh:. Many have also claimed he is the a/c and the dajjal(man). dajjal is like beast in the Scripture. It is interchangeable with satans political system and satans coming s/o/p or a/c.:sorry:
     
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    I have never claimed to be a prophet, that God speaks to me. Don't try to imply that I am like Harold Camping. If you are too naive to understand that he is paid to make idiotic prophecies to confuse and deter Christians from knowing the truth that 2012 is not the "end of the world", I can't help you.
    And tell me, what profit do I get from posting? A rare compliment, but mostly just grief from people like you.

    I am just a normal person with a hypothesis. It's a tool for understanding. That's all...
    Sheesh.
     
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    All false christs are a potential Antichrist.


    How is saying his name bearing false witness? :doh:

    How can we evaluate the truth if a hypothesis is not made manifest in the 1st place? (See previous post...)
     
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    Here's another Satanic ritual gem I came across.

    CDC - Blogs - Public Health Matters Blog – Preparedness 101: Zombie Apocalypse

    On May 16, 2011, the CDC released a strange Public Service Announcement:
    They make it out as a tongue in cheek affair, but let's look a little more at it.

    Apply Daniel 9's 70 weeks unto the messiah prophecy, and you get Sept. 17, 2012 - Rosh Hashanah.

    THE RAPTURE ON ROSH HASHANA
    Here's what this site says about Rosh Hashanah.

    Coincidence?

    You decide.

    IMO, they will engineer a "zombie apocalypse" (among many other things) to blaspheme God. Using drugs, hallucinogens and deliriants specifically, taken under the assumption that they are anti radiation pills. It will be said that they are under "alien mind control" via a TV signal or alternately that alien microbial parasites from a meteorite are "possessing" them. See: How Your Cat Is Making You Crazy - Magazine - The Atlantic

    Movies like Invasion of the Body Snatchers and zombie shows like Walking Dead are made and promoted to predispose people to accepting the desired understanding - that they are "zombies made by God"/ "mind controlled by aliens", etc. (According to released Scientology documents there are to be 3 explanations for the destruction associated with the R-6 Implant (what others would call "Project Blue Beam"/ the "storyline of 2012". As far as I can tell it seems to fall into roughly: A Black hole/ time travel/ alternate dimension storyline, an alien parasite from a meteor storyline, or a "demon" / paranormal activity storyline - "Catholic priests, to your exorcism-mobiles to save the day!" If you don't believe one explanation, they have 2 other backup stories for you to believe. This is what causes the "falling away"/ apostasy.)
     
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    When you start to assign events to dates, especially in the number you have, you make yourself out to be a prophet. The very act brings forth the designation. You are forthtelling or forecasting as Daniel did but in far greater precision.

    I also do not agree that it is a given Harold Camping was working the word for money. I do not know his heart motivation.

    And my assessment still stands. If you are going to prophesy as you have done numerous times and your conjectures do not come forth you are going to lose credability. Which of course does not occur to a person who uses a nom de guerre!
     
  10. Almighty's humble servant

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    The brother is merely suggesting the potential for these things to arise and bringing attention to specific occurrences and coinciding these with OT Holy Days.
    Many scholars have done the same and not been so accused.

    The Holy Spirit moves with us this very day. Let's not forget that the spirit of Elijah is as alive today as it was in the beginning. :amen:
     
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    Surely thou jest :D
     
  12. Bible2

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    Note that nothing in the Bible teaches or requires a pre-trib rapture. Instead, the Bible makes clear that the rapture will be immediately after the tribulation. For Matthew 24:30-31 is referring to the same second coming of Jesus and gathering together (rapture) of the church as 2 Thessalonians 2:1, which is referring to the same second coming of Jesus and catching up together (rapture) of the church as 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17. Matthew 24:29 shows that these things won't occur until immediately after the future tribulation of Matthew 24/Revelation chapters 6-18. That's why the marriage of the church doesn't happen until Revelation 19:7, in connection with Jesus' second coming and the resurrection of the church at that time (Revelation 19:7-20:6, 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16).

    Jesus won't return and gather together (rapture) the church until sometime after there's a falling away (an apostasy) in the church and the Antichrist sits in a third Jewish temple in Jerusalem and declares himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, Daniel 11:31,36, Matthew 24:15-31, Revelation 11:1-2, Revelation 13:4-8), and the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing android image of the Antichrist) is set up in the holy place of a third Jewish temple (Matthew 24:15-31, Daniel 11:31). For when Jesus returns to gather together (and marry) the church he will destroy the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:1,8, Revelation 19:7,20). Before Jesus returns, the church will have to go through the 3.5-year worldwide reign of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:5-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4, Matthew 24:9-31).

    At Jesus' return, his second coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15, 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:30, Mark 13:26), the church will be resurrected and caught up together/gathered together (raptured) (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:31, Mark 13:27), not to remove the church from the earth (Proverbs 10:30, John 17:15,20), but to take the church only as high as the clouds of the sky to hold a meeting in the air with the returned Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

    At that meeting, Jesus will judge everyone in the church (Psalms 50:4-5, cf. Mark 13:27) by their works (2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 2:6-8, Luke 12:45-48, Matthew 25:19-30) and then marry in the clouds the obedient portion of the church (Revelation 19:7-8, cf. Matthew 25:1-12), those in the church (of all times) who "overcame" (Revelation 3:5), before they mount white horses and come back down from the sky (the first heaven) with Jesus (Revelation 19:14) as he defeats the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) and all the unsaved armies of the world (Revelation 19:15-21).

    Jesus will then make the marriage supper of Revelation 19:9 for the just-resurrected and married obedient portion of the church in the earthly Jerusalem (Isaiah 25:6-9, 1 Corinthians 15:54). Jesus and the obedient portion of the church will then reign on the earth for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29).

    Holding too strongly to the mistaken idea of a pre-tribulation rapture (just as holding too strongly to the mistaken idea of partial preterism or full preterism or historicism or spiritualism) could leave some believers less prepared mentally to go through the coming tribulation.

    The Bible gives us clear warning ahead of time about everything that we're going to have to face during the coming tribulation (Mark 13:23, Revelation 1:3, Revelation 22:16) of Matthew 24/Revelation chapters 6-18, so that we can be better prepared mentally not to be blindsided (cf. 1 Peter 4:12-13) or deceived by anything that's coming (Matthew 24:4-5,23-25, Mark 13:5-6,21-23, Luke 21:8, Revelation 13:13-18, Revelation 19:20), and so that we can be better prepared mentally to endure the coming tribulation with patience and faith unto the end (Matthew 24:9-13, Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13), and not get so mad at God over our and our loved ones' awful physical suffering during the coming tribulation (cf. Isaiah 8:21-22, Matthew 24:9-13, Matthew 13:21) that we wrongly employ our free will to depart from the faith (1 Timothy 4:1, 2 Timothy 4:4, 2 Thessalonians 2:3, Luke 8:13, Matthew 24:9-13), to the ultimate loss of our salvation (Hebrews 6:4-8, John 15:6, 2 Timothy 2:12, Mark 8:35-38, Colossians 1:23, Hebrews 3:6,12,14, Hebrews 10:38-39).

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    Note that nothing requires that the entire tribulation of Matthew 24/Revelation chapters 6-18 will be God's wrath, or that any part of the tribulation that will be God's wrath will be directed against any of the saved people (1 Thessalonians 5:9) who will be alive on the earth during the tribulation (Matthew 24:9-13, Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4). Most of the tribulation could be the wrath of Satan working through evil men and natural forces to bring disaster upon the earth, just like when Satan was allowed to work through evil men and natural forces to bring disaster upon righteous Job (Job 1:12-20), against whom God had no wrath.

    The first five seals of the tribulation (Revelation 6:1-11) won't be God's wrath or judgment, because after the first four seals are over the martyrs of the fifth seal ask God when he's going to bring his judgment against the world (Revelation 6:10). And the killing of even more martyrs, which the fifth seal foretells will happen sometime after the fifth seal (Revelation 6:11b), won't be God's wrath against those martyrs. So Jesus unsealing the seals of the tribulation (Revelation 6) doesn't mean that the events that are unsealed will be God's wrath; it simply means that every event that's unsealed will be permitted by God to happen at that time.

    The sixth seal of the tribulation (Revelation 6:12-14) will happen sometime before the day of the Lord (Joel 2:31, cf. Revelation 6:12b), whereas the day of the Lord/day of wrath (Zephaniah 1:14-15) won't begin until the second coming of Jesus (1 Corinthians 1:7-8, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10), which won't occur until Revelation 19 (see Revelation 19:15b), immediately after the tribulation of Matthew 24/Revelation chapters 6-18 (Matthew 24:29-30).

    So the people quoted at the sixth seal (Revelation 6:17), during only the first stage of the tribulation, could be just as mistaken as Job was when Job said that what was happening to him was God's wrath against him (Job 19:11). Just as what was happening to Job was actually Satan's wrath against him, not God's wrath, so the sixth seal could actually be Satan's wrath, not God's wrath. Just as the writer of the book of Job didn't go out of his way to correct Job's mistaken statement in Job 19:11, and just as the apostles John and Matthew didn't go out of their ways to correct the mistaken statements of the people they quoted in John 7:12b and Matthew 27:63a, so the apostle John could have not gone out of his way to correct the statement of the people he quotes in Revelation 6:17.

    After the sixth seal of the tribulation will occur the seventh seal of the tribulation (Revelation 8:1). And out of the seventh seal of the tribulation will come the seven trumpets of the tribulation (Revelation 8:1-2). None of the events of the first six trumpets from Revelation 8 up to the end of Revelation 9 are referred to by John as being God's wrath. Also, it doesn't say that any of those events will be directed only at the unsaved; all those events could affect mankind in general, both the saved and the unsaved.

    The events of the fifth trumpet will be the work of a swarm of weird locust-like beings from the bottomless pit (Revelation 9:2-10) led by a fallen angel from the bottomless pit (Revelation 9:11). And the events of the sixth trumpet will be the work of a huge army of weird horse-like beings led by four fallen angels previously bound at the river Euphrates (Revelation 9:14-19). So even though good angels of God will sound the six trumpets of Revelation chapters 8-9, this could simply be announcing God's allowing the wrath of Satan to destroy one-third of different things (Revelation 8:7-12, Revelation 9:15,18), just as Satan will subsequently, mid-tribulation, be allowed by God to cause one-third of the angels to be cast down to the earth for good (Revelation 12:4,9).

    God allows saved people to be affected by the wrath of Satan (Revelation 12:17, Revelation 2:10), knowing that even if they're killed by Satan, this is no loss for them, but even gain (Philippians 1:21,23, 2 Corinthians 5:8).

    The events of the first six trumpets from Revelation 8 up to the end of Revelation 9 will all happen before the start of the 3.5-year worldwide Luciferian (Satanic) reign of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) (Revelation 13:4-18). And the events of Revelation chapters 8-9 could be used by Satan to help prepare the world to welcome that reign. For what Satan could do is first take great pleasure in causing the destruction in each event, but then he could claim that the destruction isn't from him, but from YHWH, and that YHWH is a cruel tyrant god who hates mankind and only wants to make mankind suffer, while he (Satan, as "Lucifer") only wants the best for mankind. In this way, Satan could deceive the world into turning away from YHWH and instead worshipping him (the dragon) and the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4-18). The Antichrist will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36).

    After the 3.5-year worldwide reign of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:5-7) is declared legally over at the sounding of the seventh trumpet (Revelation 11:15), the seven plagues of the seven vials of God's wrath will come out of the heavenly temple opening of the seventh trumpet (Revelation 11:19, Revelation 15:5-8:1). The seven vials of God's wrath will then be poured out upon the followers of the Antichrist as God's judgment for their receiving the Antichrist's mark and worshipping his image (Revelation 16:2), and for their killing of people in the church (Revelation 16:6-7) during the prior 3.5-year worldwide reign of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:5,7,10, Revelation 14:12-13).

    During the Antichrist's worldwide reign, people in the church will be hated and killed in every nation on the earth just for refusing to renounce the name of Jesus Christ (Matthew 24:9-13). They will be beheaded for refusing to renounce the witness of Jesus Christ (Revelation 20:4), for refusing to accept the antichrist lies that Jesus himself isn't the Christ (1 John 2:22) and that Christ himself isn't in the flesh (2 John 1:7). People in the church will be beheaded for refusing to renounce the sound doctrine of the Bible, the Word of God (Revelation 20:4, 2 Timothy 4:2-4), for refusing to depart from the Biblical faith and give heed instead to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils (1 Timothy 4:1-2). People in the church will be beheaded for refusing to worship the Antichrist's image (Revelation 13:15b, Revelation 20:4).

    And all of this, of course, will be the wrath of Satan against the church (Revelation 12:17), not the wrath of God against the church. For the church isn't appointed to God's wrath (1 Thessalonians 5:9).

    Even when God's wrath does come subsequently in the seven vials (Revelation 16), the final stage of the tribulation, because the church isn't appointed to God's wrath none of the vials of God's wrath will be directed at any of those in the church who will still be alive on the earth during that time, still waiting for Jesus' coming as a thief (Revelation 16:15). Instead, they will go into protective chambers which they will have built for themselves on the earth (Isaiah 26:20), just as Noah and his family went into the protective ark which they had built for themselves on the earth (Genesis 7:7).

    Only after the seventh vial is completed (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2) will Jesus Christ return and bring the second-coming day of wrath/day of the Lord (Zephaniah 1:14-15, 1 Corinthians 1:7-8, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10) upon the unsaved world (Revelation 19:15-21). And before that wrath begins, again because the church isn't appointed to God's wrath (1 Thessalonians 5:9), the church will be caught up together/gathered together (raptured) (1 Thessalonians 4:17, 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:31, Mark 13:27) into the sky to hold a meeting in the air with the returned Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

    At that meeting, Jesus will judge everyone in the church (Psalms 50:4-5, cf. Mark 13:27) by their works (2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 2:6-8, Luke 12:45-48, Matthew 25:19-30) and then marry the obedient portion of the church (Revelation 19:7-8, cf. Matthew 25:1-13) in the clouds, before the obedient portion of the church mounts white horses and comes back down from the sky (the first heaven) with Jesus (Revelation 19:14) as he brings the second-coming wrath of God upon the unsaved world (Revelation 19:15-21).

    After that, Jesus and the obedient portion of the just-resurrected church (including those in the church who had been beheaded by the Antichrist) will be on the earth ruling the surviving unsaved nations with a rod of iron for 1,000 years (Revelation 2:26-29, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 20:4-6, Psalms 2). During that time, Jesus will have to employ his wrath against the surviving unsaved nations in order to bring them into forced submission to him (Zechariah 14:16-19, Psalms 66:3, Psalms 2).

    After the 1,000 years are over, the Gog/Magog rebellion will occur (Revelation 20:7-9, Ezekiel chapters 38-39), but it will be defeated by God's wrath against it (Ezekiel 38:19-23, Revelation 20:9b). After the defeat of the Gog/Magog rebellion, the earth will remain in existence for at least seven more years (Ezekiel 39:9b). After those at least seven more years are over, the white throne judgment will occur, in which all the unsaved of all times will be resurrected and judged and cast into God's eternal wrath of the lake of fire and brimstone (Revelation 20:11-15, Revelation 14:10-11, Revelation 20:10,15, Matthew 25:41,46).
     
  13. NumberOneSon

    NumberOneSon The poster formerly known as Acts6:5

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    So what big thing happened on this date regarding the start of a beast kingdom?


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  14. berachah

    berachah Jesus Christ is Lord of heaven and earth

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    This cannot be so. If the 3rd temple is actually built it will be contrary to the will of God and therefore cannot be holy as God has already declared the body to the temple of God. There is now no purpose for a natural temple as the old covenant has been done away with.

    Satan has no power unless he is given it by God. The church will begin to grow cold towards God in the endtimes and there will be a falling away. Many will be refined and reconciled back to God. God will judge the church just as the nation of Israel was judged and put into bondage (in Babylon) to refine them and reconcile them.
     
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    zeke37 IMO...

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    correct, Paul teaches that we are the temple of God,
    so guess where the son of perdition is going to "sit" and "claim" to be God?

    i agree, and for some, that refining happens in the Lord's Day (Millennium)
     
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    pgp_protector Noted strange person

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    Douggg your friend

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    And Paul and NONE of the apostles taught that a third temple wouldn't be built, did they?

    Doug
     
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    tranquil Newbie

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    8-24-08 through the aforementioned 8-24-15 forms a 7 year set of tribulation.
    8-24-08 plus 1290 days arrives at March 6, 2012 when Israeli PM Netanyahu was in the US Capitol begging for help to war against Iran. This was one of many "abomination of desolation" events - Israel pleading with a foreign god to save it from its enemies. Netanyahu even said during that trip that "Israel is the master of its own fate" - meaning that God is not the master of Israel's fate.

    Then came the sudden fighting/ destruction with the Palestinians and then practically overnight there is a UN meeting of 4 powers to discuss the Israeli/ Palestinian peace talks.

    Quartet to meet to discuss stalled Israel-Palestinian peace talks - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
    All in all, I misinterpreted the data somewhat (hey, you try and go out on a limb sometime and do it) , but that doesn't negate the data itself. And as I said in the post, it didn't appear to be anything destructive large scale since there were no eclipses associated with it. And it seems that only something on that scale will satisfy people.
     
  19. berachah

    berachah Jesus Christ is Lord of heaven and earth

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    Yup...a demon possessed world leader calling himself the Messiah showing signs and wonders.. (the final kingdom spoken of in Daniel is part clay (man), part iron (demonic, spirital).

    Time to move away from the natural Israel / Jersualem lie and see these events from a spiritual new covenant viewpoint.

    In the last days it is the church that is going to be surrounded and under attack from all sides, Christ will not appear on natural mt Zion, but he will appear within his body.... speaking of his return and judgement 2 Thess 1:10 says"......when he come to be glorified in his saints", etc etc

    The devil is attempting to re-record natural history through Israel, ultimately making himself the messiah and Christians need to be aware of this great deception.
     
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    tranquil Newbie

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    The antichrist will sit in both people's minds and in the 3rd Temple.

    When does the abomination of desolation take place? At the mid -point of the 7 years or at the end? Which makes complete sense? Both do.

    At the beginning of the last half of the 7 year tribulation, the AC will sit in people's minds/ souls (via hallucinogenic drugs a la Simon Magus. This is Rev 18:23
    and the light of a lamp will not shine in you (the great city Babylon) any longer; and the voice of the bridegroom and bride will not be heard in you any longer; for your merchants were the great men of the earth, because all the nations (ethnos) were deceived by your sorcery (pharmakeia).

    Pharmakeia - Strong's G5331

    At the end of the tribulation, the AC calls himself God and this is when Jesus returns to "destroy the temple" (Tisha Bav, Aug 14, 2016).

    How would it be otherwise?
    Daniel 12
    11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

    The strict interpretation of the false Jewish messiah sitting in a physical temple is the last major act before the final consummation of things. The "daily sacrifice" that is taken away is Jesus Christ - they have performed the great deception which causes the apostasy/ falling away from Christianity.
     
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