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Craters

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by ardipithecus, Jun 16, 2002.

  1. ardipithecus

    ardipithecus New Member

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    Craters are the result of impacts. They are something
    that is completely at odds with YEC timescales. With
    the exception of were geologic activity is obvious (i.e.
    erosion, volcanism, etc.) every planetary body with
    a solid observable surface is just plain litered with
    craters.

    Callisto:

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    Source

    Mercury:

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    Source

    Tethys (a moon of Saturn):

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    Source

    Think of the Moon. It is just plain loaded with them including
    some that are hundreds of miles wide. The Moon is extremely close to
    the Earth (in astronomical terms). Earth, because it has 81 times the
    mass of the Moon, has 81 times the gravity. Hense one would expect
    that Earth has been hit even more often. If all those hits had
    happened in the last 10,000 years it would have been very noticable
    to anyone living at the time to say the least. And we should be
    surounded by many very obvious craters since there has not been enough
    time for them to be eroded away, subducted, etc. One of the few
    obvious craters is in Arizona (and it is worth the visit BTW). It
    is still fairly clear. It is actually one of smallest craters
    known on Earth. Over the last few decades geologists have found
    many other craters, sometimes over a hundred miles across.

    Now it would seem reasonable that if the biggest craters are
    going to remain obvious for far longer than the "small" ones
    like the one in Arizona.

    Now lets look at Ganymede:


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    Source

    Notice we have a history here. An old surface that has been
    hit by impacting objects many times. One section got
    reworked geologically and then started getting hit also.
    Finally an train of meteors hit it. This is not
    unlike what happened to Jupiter a few years back when a comet
    that was ripped into many pieces by Jupiter's gravity impacted
    on Jupiter.

    It also happened on Earth. A few years back it was noticed
    that several craters on Earth had about the same age. These
    craters were plotted on a map of what the Earth looked like
    214 million years ago (i.e. where the continents were at
    according to models using data from radiometric dating). The
    results were extremely consistent with chain of meteors forming
    a series of craters on Earth. The ages of the craters was
    determined by several different dating methods.

    You can find out more about this amazing bit of science at:

    Are Radioactive Dating Methods Consistent With Each Other?


    Lets quote the conclusion:

    The K/T is what geologists call the boundary
    between the Mesozoic and the Cenozoic. It is when a mass extinction
    took place. No dinosaurs (non-avian dinosaurs) are found after this
    event. A crater that dates back to this time has been found showing
    that an extremely large impact occured at this time. Whether this
    killed the dinosaurs is still under debate. In any event, this
    event through up a large amount of debris into the atmosphere.
    This included a large amounts of the element iridium which is rare
    on Earth but common in meteors. This resulted in an iridium-rich
    layer found at the K/T all around the world. Now if the geological
    column was some fantasy invented by Charles Lyell in the 19th
    Century, as most YECs would have us believe. Why is there a
    consistent feature about it that is world-wide in extent?
    The reason is simple, the K/T represents a real place in time.

    And the dating of the layer and things formed by the impact like tektites
    give very consistent results from radiometric dating:
    Code:
    Table 2. 40Ar/39Ar ages for K-T tektites and related K-T boundary deposits 
    Location                       Material  Method              #tests  Age (Ma) 
    Haiti        (Beloc Formation) tektites 40Ar/39Ar total fusion  52 64.4 +/- 0.1 
    Haiti        (Beloc Formation) tektites 40Ar/39Ar age spectrum   4 64.4 +/- 0.4 
    Haiti        (Beloc Formation) tektites 40Ar/39Ar age spectrum   2 64.5 +/- 0.2 
    Haiti        (Beloc Formation) tektites 40Ar/39Ar age spectrum   4 64.8 +/- 0.2 
    Haiti        (Beloc Formation) tektites 40Ar/39Ar total fusion  18 64.9 +/- 0.1 
    Haiti        (Beloc Formation) tektites 40Ar/39Ar total fusion   3 65.1 +/- 0.2 
    Haiti        (Beloc Formation) tektites 40Ar/39Ar age spectrum   9 65.0 +/- 0.2 
    Mexico                         tektites 40Ar/39Ar total fusion   2 65.1 +/- 0.5 
    Hell Creek   (Z-coal)          tektites 40Ar/39Ar total fusion  28 64.8 +/- 0.1 
    Hell Creek   (Z-coal)          tektites 40Ar/39Ar age spectrum   1 66.0 +/- 0.5 
    Hell Creek   (Z-coal)          tektites 40Ar/39Ar age spectrum   1 64.7 +/- 0.1 
    Hell Creek   (Z-coal)          tektites 40Ar/39Ar total fussion 17 64.8 +/- 0.2 
    Hell Creek   (Z-coal)          b,s      K-Ar                    12 64.6 +/- 1.0 
    Hell Creek   (Z-coal)          b,s      Rb-Sr isochron (26 data) 1 63.7 +/- 0.6 
    Hell Creek   (Z-coal)          zircon   U-Pb concordia (16 data) 1 63.9 +/- 0.8 
    Saskatchewan (Ferris Coal)     sanidine 40Ar/39Ar total fussion  6 64.7 +/- 0.1 
    Saskatchewan (Ferris Coal)     sanidine 40Ar/39Ar age spectrum   1 64.6 +/- 0.2 
    Saskatchewan (Ferris Coal)     b,s      K-Ar                     7 65.8 +/- 1.2 
    Saskatchewan (Ferris Coal)     various  Rb-Sr isochron (10 data) 1 64.5 +/- 0.4 
    Saskatchewan (Ferris Coal)     zircon   U-Pb concordia (16 data) 1 64.4 +/- 0.8 
    Saskatchewan (Ferris Coal)     sanidine 40Ar/39Ar total fussion 11 64.8 +/- 0.2 
    Saskatchewan (Nevis coal)      sanidine 40Ar/39Ar age spectrum   1 64.7 +/- 0.2 
    Saskatchewan (Nevis coal)      biotite  K-Ar                     2 64.8 +/- 1.4 
    Saskatchewan (Nevis coal)      various  Rb-Sr (7 data)           1 63.9 +/- 0.6 
    Saskatchewan (Nevis coal)      zircon   U-pb concordia (12 data) 1 64.3 +/- 0.8 
    

    The source is from an article by one the top researchers in the field
    of radiometric dating.


    Note that I shortened a few things: b=biotite, s=sanidine, Hell Creek
    is in Montana, etc. If you can't figure it out check the original
    article. If you want to know what an isochron is see
    this.


    The odds of such such consistent results if radiometric dating was
    wrong is pretty much zero.
     
  2. Sauron

    Sauron New Member

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    Now you're just being silly. Whitcomb and Morris explained that already, in the Genesis Flood: the craters of the moon and Mercury were created during the year of Noah’s flood.

    It's all so simple.
    :rolleyes:
     
  3. ardipithecus

    ardipithecus New Member

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    Watch it or I will have to toss that ring of yours down Mt. Doom.

    Seriously, do you expect any real creationists to respond? After all this a subject that just plain old common sense tells us the the Earth must be ancient.
     
  4. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Of what?
    No, they aren't.

    Cratering probably occurred when the fallen angels took on the good angels in a cosmic battle.

    Note this passage which, by itself, looks mundane:

    Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

    Daniel has been in prayer for three weeks to God, and God had sent an angel to take the answer to Daniel, but the angel could not get through the infrastructure that Satan had set up, and so he (the angel) had to enlist the aid of Michael the Archangel.

    Battles like this probably occurred throughout the universe after Lucifer rebelled, and ⅓ of the angels followed him in the insurrection.
     
  5. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    It make take someone to necrobump your thread; but yes, one just might.
    In that case then, common sense can take a hike.
     
  6. CaliforniaSun

    CaliforniaSun New Member

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    Common sense and reality seem to be quite the hiking duo, thanks to you.
     
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    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    I can assure you that they're in for a LONG walk soon.

    Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

    Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.


    (Note what's not going -- ;))
     
  8. CaliforniaSun

    CaliforniaSun New Member

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    Diabolical plagiarism?
     
  9. Cabal

    Cabal New Member

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    It certainly is mundane. When does the story move to Callisto? I love a good sci-fi.
     
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    Delphiki New Member

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    Cabal New Member

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    They probably just had crap aim.
     
  12. Ar Cosc

    Ar Cosc I only exist on the internet

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    I didn't know Angels were made out of several million tonnes of iron, nickel, and various other elements in smaller quantities. You learn something new every day!
     
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    Upisoft CEO of a waterfal

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    No one knows for sure how thread necromancy rituals affect angels.
     
  14. Hespera

    Hespera Junior Member

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    i wonder why so many angels hit mars, the moon and mercury but mostly missed venus.
     
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    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    How long have you been wondering that?

    Let me guess -- since I made my post, right?
     
  16. CaliforniaSun

    CaliforniaSun New Member

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    It makes them cry.
     
  17. CaliforniaSun

    CaliforniaSun New Member

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    Since you made things up.
     
  18. Upisoft

    Upisoft CEO of a waterfal

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    Oversensitive, eh?
     
  19. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Make your jokes -- we'll keep explaining it, so you guys can whine we say the same things over and over.
    Made it up, did I?

    Here we go [yet] again: 110
     
  20. Cabal

    Cabal New Member

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    Can we get AoS in here? Then we can hybridise the two stories to form one where angels made of hot metal fire themselves at rather perturbed Roman deities.
     
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