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Conspiracy Theory???????

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by Chi_Cygni, Nov 11, 2003.

  1. Chi_Cygni

    Chi_Cygni New Member

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    Fezzilla

    The perils of smoking crack.

    Also, what is your mother tongue. I hope to God it is not English.
     
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    The first law of thermodynamics tells us that the total quantity of energy in the universe is a constant. This rules out a matter-creating chain of events leading to the bib bang;as well as any matter creating reaction after it.
    On the fourth day of creation God made the energy of the universe a constant. "...And God saw that it was good(Gen1:18).
    God created the universe so that it could sustain and function on its own (just like he did with the earth).

    According to the second law of thermodynamics, the universe is running out of usable energy. But if the universe is running down, it cannot be eternal. Otherwise, it would have run down completely by now. While you can never run out of an unlimited amount of energy, it does not take forever to run out of a limited amount of energy. Hence, the universe must have had a beginning.
    According to the second law of thermodynamics, all organic material would degrade spontaneously with time, acting against any evolution of primitive life.
    Scientist agree that the presence of oxygen in the early atmosphere would prevent evolution because, according to organic chemistry, it is impossible for the building blocks of molecules found in living things to arise in the presence of oxygen. But if there was no oxygen, there was no ozone layer, the ultraviolet radiation of the sun would have destroyed any primitive life arising in the ocean.

    Still no sign of burnt dino-bones:scratch:
     
  3. Mike Flynn

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    But this is only logical if that particular interpretation of the scriptures is valid. And there are plenty of facts that would seem to falsify this particular interpretation. In addition, the Biblical language in Genesis is too general to say that Adam was instantly formed 'mature' (or the universe). The only thing we can say for certain is this: God did it. IOW, the instant formation interpretation that has not been substantiated either Biblically or otherwise. One can hardly say that these are 'logical facts', IMHO. :)
     
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    Arikay HI

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    Have you been reading Hovind (DrDino)?

    As there are so many errors there, its amazing, lets start with the most glaring one, the Theory of Evolution says Nothing about the big bang, or abiogenesis.

    Maybe you can explain Why the 2LoT would spontaneously with time (I find that phrase funny) prevent evolution.

    what is evolution to begin with?
     
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    It also has an annoying habit of breaking down. In any event, the total energy of the Universe (assuming that's even a meaningful concept may be zero.

    Second law also breaks down now and then. Ever hear of a Poincare recurrence?

    Wrong. Second law says no such thing.

    There are organisms alive today that would do just fine without the ozone layer.
     
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    Your statements on the 1st law are wrong, period!!

    Your statements on the 2nd law just don't make sense!

    You obviously have read nothing on plaetary formation and the early Earth.

    By the way, when does UV penetrate water?
    No ozone layer does not have an effect on marine life. By the time life appeared on land you would already have formed an ozone layer due to oxygen produced by marine photsynthesis.

    Please go and study before spouting off nonsense.
     
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    Just to add to MartinM's comments:

    If this statement was true then you could not make ice cubes in your freezer, nor would you get snow in the winter since ice is has less entropy than liquid water. The earth is a closed system (more or less regarding its mass) with a constant input of energy from the sun. Under such conditions it is quite possible to get the formation of complex molecules over time.
     
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    Can you provide the axioms for such a statement cause no scientist yet has been able to.
     
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    Fezzilla, show some self control, you're really looking ill-educated and a bit of a rube about now.
     
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    Arikay HI

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    Fezz,

    maybe you can tell us two things,

    1) What is the theory of evolution?
    2) Maybe you can provide some data about animals being burned to a crisp because of the asteriod extinction theory?
     
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    I still want to see the photos of the burnt dinsaur bones, every one of them.
    Evolutionist agree that the fire was more severe than all the worlds nuclear missle going off at one time; now i wanna see the PROOF of the astroid by seeing the burnt bones!
     
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    You don't understand. Can you give us the papers that say when an asteroid hits the earth, then it spews molten rock into orbit that covers the earth and burns everything, including dino bones? You see, Fezzilla, its this part of your story that seems like fantasy. Not that an asteroid might have hit the earth, rather what happens when it does. Does that make sense?

    For example, what if when an asteroid hits the earth it has a cataclizmic local effect (creating a huge crator) and flings billions of tons of dust and debris (not lava) into the atmosphere (not in orbit). Blocking out the sun and lowering the average temperature of the planet. Perhaps this would have created unfavorable conditions for the dinasaurs while still leaving enough favourable conditions for other organisms to survive.

    Why should anyone believe it happened the way you say it happened?
     
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    So, will you ignore what everyone has said?
    an answer to my two questions would be nice, or maybe addressing what Martin has said about the 2LoT.
     
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    Danger danger,

    Fezzilla's profile explains it all.

    SDA student.

    No chance of accepting anything he is told on here. Absolutely none.

    By the way Fez, it's asteroid not astroid. What school are you at, so I know for my kids not to go there.

    You should know that many paleontologists don't accept the asteroid impact as being the direct cause of the late Cretaceous extinction.

    Aaaagh, why am I even bothering..............
     
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    This isn't going to work. None of you are mature enough to talk professionally.
    I have been talking to young scientist on a Finnish metal forum that are super educated and very mature in the way they debate. I cannot believe you don't know the theory of evolution.
    The astroid theory in evolution is very importent! Its the only things that provides an excuss for the extiction of the dinosaurs. If you dismiss the astroid theory, you dismiss evolution.
    There is no evidence that the dinosaur bones were ever burnt! And that proves the astroid theory and evelution academically wrong!
     
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    Do a google on big bang theory. Read the research. Then come back and tells us what's what. You have no idea what you are talking about.
     
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    And you have provided not a single shred of evidence that says tells us that when an asteroid hits, it would burn the dinasaur remains all over the earth.

    you have to justify this premise first Fezzila.
     
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    In otherwords, you are just trolling. Ok.

    DNFTT
     
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    It would take one Giant asteroid to do this and there is no evidence present today of a crater of the size of Russia.

    Note: Yes, (hahaha) i have been spelling asteroid wrong. A month back on a forum i spelled "eternal" wrong three times in one post! I use that word correctly all the time.
     
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