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Condoning sin.

Discussion in 'Whosoever Will, May Come - Liberal' started by JulySheMustFly, Mar 4, 2008.

  1. JulySheMustFly

    JulySheMustFly Legend

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    I'm sure I'm not the only one whose heard this concept tossed around when discussing loving your neighbor. I just don't get what condoning sin looks like. Any ideas?

    Am I condoning sin if I am friends with an adulterer and don't say anything? What if I am friends with them don't say anything to them directly but am praying for the Holy Spirit to show them their error?

    (I only used adultery because it seems like a non disputable sin. Although I'm sure someone could use some verse to defend the extra marital activities if they wanted, but that isn't really what my post is about. Wow, I'm highly caffeinated at the moment.)
     
  2. samiam

    samiam New Member

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    You know, I think pointing out someone else's sin is one of the hardest things to do.

    A lot of people who are living in Sin are in a big lie that their sin is somehow OK. Or as Jesus said, evil hates the light (John 3:19-21).

    Sin is a very difficult thing to point out in another person. Indeed, Jesus has said it's more important for me to look at my own sin first (Luke 6:41-42 and Mat. 7:3-5).

    So, I don't know how to confront someone else's sin. I am having a hard enough time confronting my own sin!

    - Sam
     
  3. FlatpickingJD

    FlatpickingJD Losing the battle with oxalis

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    I think samiam gave a good response. I know I sin, and constantly work to avoid the sins. I feel like a hypocrite to point out to others their sins when I am tainted.

    I, too, have noticed a lot of people say that if you don't confront the sinner you're condoning his/her sin (the most frequent example given is homosexuality). In both your example and mine, it's difficult to say to someone, whether it be a friend or acquaintance, that they're sinning and need to change their ways. But are we condoning it if we don't? I think that's arguable.

     
  4. Adammi

    Adammi A Nicene Christian not in CF's Xians Only Club

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    I think that if we all were more concerned about our own sin instead of those of others, then we would all be much better off.
     
  5. higgs2

    higgs2 not a nutter

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    For that matter, where is the dividing line between condoning and promoting? :eek: Depends on where you're posting, I think. :D
     
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    MsScarlett Senior Member

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    Excellent question.
    To me, condoning sin is keeping close friendship with someone who is overtly harming others.
    An example would be coworkers. When they show themselves to be liars/hypocrites/insert adjective here, I assume a relationship with them that involves hellos, goodbyes, pleases, and thank yous. That's all.
    Some Christians will continue to 'hang out' with them, and in my opinion, that is condoning.

    So which of us is doing the right thing? Beats me! I only know what's right for me, and I cannot in good conscience pretend to be friends with someone who overtly sins and causes harm to others.
     
  7. Speculative

    Speculative Senior Veteran

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    Man, I'll tell you, Adammi, you post some pretty good stuff.:thumbsup:

    My guess is that people need a friend more than they need a judge, so I think the prayerful friendliness mentioned by JulySheMustFly in the OP is the right way to go.
     
  8. Protinus

    Protinus ...once more unto the breach dear friends Supporter

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    Adam is always beyond his years in words. We need to see within before we see without. We need to actively plan for a moment in our lives when we can see OUR suffering as a venue to SERVE OTHERS!!


    brilliant Adam!
     
  9. Joykins

    Joykins free Crazy Liz!

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    I don't look at it as if, if a friend is sinning I would drop them like a hot potato. I would do my best to encourage them to do the right thing, though, but not stop loving them...that is how God is with us, isn't it?

    And if it isn't a dear friend, then I simply don't have standing to condone or not.
     
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    Protinus ...once more unto the breach dear friends Supporter

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    It is ...as such...but do we know our "insides" before we bolster our best intentions for our brethren??

    God is with us...but how do we best assimilate and channel our efforts? We seek our pain to know others first. We help and minister to others knowing that they may not be able to accept our help...then we do it again...and again.

    God is with us in the pain of delivering...and receiving.
     
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    Protinus ...once more unto the breach dear friends Supporter

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    It is ...as such...but do we know our "insides" before we bolster our best intentions for our brethren??

    God is with us...but how do we best assimilate and channel our efforts? We seek our pain to know others first. We help and minister to others knowing that they may not be able to accept our help...then we do it again...and again.

    God is with us in the pain of delivering...and receiving.
     
  12. Joykins

    Joykins free Crazy Liz!

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    Ministering to someone is not the same as judging them. Think of the difference between a doctor and a judge.
     
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    Protinus ...once more unto the breach dear friends Supporter

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    I know the business of a physician. I'm intrigued bythe business of a judge.

    My business is to know others by their faith first. Then they will reveal their suffering as only God would know it. But it will be the individual to express THEIR suffering and the bid that Christ would provide the answer.

    Grant me the strength to intervene early enough to provide clarity in His word.
     
  14. D.W.Washburn

    D.W.Washburn The Artist Formerly Known as RegularGuy

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    "You are condoning sin" is an accusation.

    It says more about the accuser than the accused.
     
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    Protinus ...once more unto the breach dear friends Supporter

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    absolutely RG! As my sin is most profound...how do I make your sin acceptable for your discernment and YOUR abilty to accept it?

    brilliant!
     
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    geekgirlkelli I'm the girl your mother warned you about.

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    Personally, I don't think it's our business to be either. We're not spiritual doctors or judges. Both are God's business, no? I think the best way to alienate someone is to approach them like you're a doctor trying to 'fix' them. When you look at it that way, it sure seems condescending, doesn't it? Yes, that's how I would feel.

    This is where those verses about not looking on the 'sin' of others, and pulling the beam out of your own eye become truly important. I'm not saying there aren't times you shouldn't say something to someone, but not everything that Christians think is 'sin' is really sin, IMO.

    Personally, I feel that unless someone is being harmed in some serious way, it is best that we mind ourselves and stop worrying about what others may be doing and thinking. Is God not big enough to deal with the hearts and minds of another? Or does it become our business simply because we somehow feel superior to one we feel is 'sinning.'

    Kelli
     
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    Im to busy dealing with my own sins and weaknesses to worry about someone elses. I will just stick to doing my best to love them.

    If thats condoning, fine.
     
  18. JulySheMustFly

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    This is true but seeing that they are often convinced beyond a doubt that they are right I'm curios what actual condoning of sin looks like. So far it seems to be very subjective.

    That's where I am as well. Kind of still working out my own salvation ya know.

    Does this apply differently if it is not a follower of Jesus who is sinning verses a follower?
     
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    i have a hard time with this kind of thing. my theory is, people know what they do. even in the example, adulterers know they are committing adultery. so if one willingly choose to sin, i say, suffer the consequences and deal with it. its how i look at it in my own life, so what else can i expect for others or what can i be for others? the voice in their head that they've already ignored?

    plus, when one sins, that means they want the sin. so whether or not i condone it, they want it. speaking out means nothing. can't lead a horse to water if it doesn't want to be leaded.

    plus i don't like partaking in one's sin. becoming that middle person is a fragile thing that i'm very careful to who i do that with. i don't want others' sins in my life. i don't want to be sin for someone else. i'm here for support, not to tell others what to do. plus i think very high of us being on the highest of part of the evolution pole, so if people willingly want to lower their standards then i let them, because they know they already know they are doing it to themselves.

    if someones comes to me seeking with questions about my opinion about this and that, then my answer would be completely different than the way i'm answering now.

    until then, since i have sin that i deal with, and since, at least in my perspective, people know what they do and there's only one way to sin and that is by choosing to do something that is considered sinful, then i say let cause and effect take place.

    so my answer is, i don't condone something that i stay away from in others lives. i just avoid judging and condoning all together.
     
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    Some people call the cops on neighbors who move their thrash cans too loudly, yet do nothing while their children do drugs in their basement.

    Some people are alarmed if their neighbors keep a Buddha statue in their hall, but say nothing about a statue of Mary.

    Then, there others who react in the complete opposite fashion.

    My 'condoning' of sin ends when someone else is hurt or endangered. But that's just me.
     
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