PLEASE!!!!! DO NOT START ANOTHER THREAD!!!!
You have started the same thing over and over and over already and they all said the same thing.
Most of it wrong and completely misrepresenting what eternal security means not only Biblicly but from the believers perspective as well.
Those who are spiritually blind are in a bondage which is difficult to overcome.
Not spiritually blind...but spiritually dead is a better understanding of things. Just as Paul spoke of in Romans...being dead to sin and alive in the Lord. Being saved means we are dead to sin. Being saved means we are no longer under the bondage of sin. All things Paul clearly preaches.
DISOBEDIECE (to God) proves UNBELIEF
Agreed....disobedience proves you were never saved. But Paul preaches that once you are saved, you become a new creature, old things (disobedience) are gone. Paul teaches in Romans the difference of a mind of disobedience in contrast to a mind of obedience...not saved and saved. When we are saved we no longer have the mind of disobedience...we have changed and become something new.
We are not that different when get down to the brass tacks of things. You simply do not have a correct view of eternal security doctrine...you have succumbed to propaganda and false teachings when it comes to that. And I mean no offense by that.
See people that believe in eternal security look at salvation as a changing moment in a persons life. Something that they can and never will change back from. Because the Bible teaches that we become new creatures in Christ. That we are something new. Paul teaches repeatedly that when we are saved we have died with Christ and been resurrected with Christ, he continually contrasts our lives before with our lives after.
Where we differ is the emphasis on works afterwards. The eternal security folks perceive works as symbolic of what Christ has already done for us. We do righteous works for God, because God has already done so much for us. And doing righteous works is really for everyone else around us. It is for them to see our lives and the changes made in our lives because of what God has done. We give God the glory so others can see God in us. And you conditional security folks it is very similar. But what you also add to that is that if you are not doing those good works, then your salvation may be at risk. The righteous works become not symbolic of what God has done, but they become the mechanism in which you are saved, no longer is it of faith, but it is of works.
Those are teachings that we do not find in the Bible. That is where we have our disagreements. Because you cannot cite one example of a person in the Bible that Christ or any Apostle ever said they were no longer a brother in Christ, that their salvation was revoked. Or an example of someone who was revoked being able to get their salvation back. We do not see this, but we see plenty of other examples of people being saved...thousands of them as a matter of fact.
