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Christians for 9/11 Truth

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by circa02, Dec 18, 2010.

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    Wonder if they question the Holocaust too?
     
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    More wacky truthers.
     
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    Everyone needs a hobby.
     
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    I admit that I don't believe at all the official version of what happened on 9/11. I also agree that the website linked by the OP left a lot to be desired.

    So in the hopes of having a good discussion about the matter, here are some questions I have about 9/11:

    How do you explain the appearance of the collapse of building 7? (to me, this is the smoking gun) If a building is damaged due to fire or debris and collapses, wouldn't it collapse in a haphazard manner? Instead, the building 7 collapse appears to be a perfect text-book building demolition. People conducting building demolitions would love it if all their building drops looked like building 7. I clearly remember the interstate bank fire in los angeles back in 1989. It's an 80 story building iirc. They had 4 floors burn out around 20 floors up. The fire was so bad, you could see light through the building. Only the steel columns were left. That fire burned all night. The building was repaired and is still standing today.

    Where is the airplane debris in the pennsylvania crash? Every plan crash picture I've ever seen has airplane parts, seats, luggage, etc scattered everywhere. Where's the airplane?

    Where is the airplane debris at the pentagon? They showed a few pieces. But it doesn't appear to be anywhere near enough debris. And industry experts who were familiar with the design of the 757 said they weren't parts from a 757. And like PA, no seats, luggage, etc.

    How does a 757 fit through a 16' hole in the side of the pentagon, with no damage to the building surrounding the hole? Shouldn't the engines or vertical stabilizer damage the building? The official explanation is that the wings, engines, and horizontal and vertical stabilizers neatly folded up behind the fuselage and entered that 16' hole. Shouldn't the wings have been sheered off and left outside the building?

    There's eyewitness accounts (people who were inside the pentagon right next to where it hit) who claim that people ran back into the hole to find survivors. How is this possible? The government claims that the entire airplane was incinerated in the fire.

    If the fire at the pentagon was hot enough to incinerate metal airplane pieces, why are there photos in the hole showing wood and paper items not damaged at all?

    How does a pilot who nearly failed flight school in a small aircraft execute a nearly impossible maneuver right before the pentagon impact in a plane he's never flown before? ATC workers were convinced it was a military fighter plane because of how it was flying.

    How is it that at least 6 of the original hijackers are still alive? They were even interviewed by the BBC.

    There were 83 (iirc) cameras in view of the spot where the plane hit the pentagon. Within minutes of the pentagon being hit, men from the government confiscated them all. Not one frame showing an airplane has ever been released. Releasing just one frame would be enough to silence the truthers, yet they don't.

    How is it that molten steel is seen pouring out of the towers when the laws of physics say a kerosene fire gets nowhere near hot enough to liquefy steel?

    When kerosene burns, it produced black smoke. What is the white smoke seen coming out of the towers?

    If the fire in the towers was hot enough to melt steel, why are there pictures clearly showing survivors standing and waiving at people in the same area?

    Why were the tail numbers from two of the four 9/11 planes spotted at o'hare a few years later?

    Why is there thermite residue in the dust?

    I have many more questions, but this is a good start.


    And there's a lot of coincidences:

    Larry Silverstein signing the 99 year lease on the WTC complex and renegotiating the insurance to specifically include planes crashing into the building.

    The collapse sure made for a convenient solution to the massive $1 billion asbestos problem in the WTC towers.

    A bush family member controlling the security company for the WTC complex right up to 9/11.

    Condoleeza Rice warning a senator friend of hers on 9/10 not to fly the next day.

    Documents detailing the missing $2 trillion at the pentagon, and documents detailing the Enron scandal were kept in two locations. One was WTC 7, the other was the exact spot where the pentagon was hit.

    Much of the country was in the middle of a training exercise on the day of 9/11. The scenario in the training exercise was that hijackers took control of airplanes with the intention to fly them into the towers and other targets. How's that for a coincidence?



    I've seen a few sites trying to answer some of these questions and debunk truthers. But so far, all of their arguments have been very weak. I have yet to see good answers to any of these questions. And that's after quite a bit of research.

    There's a lot of ideas out there as to what really happened and what the reasons were. But as far as I'm concerned, there's not enough information to connect the dots. But I'm convinced the government is lying. I have my own theories about what really happened and why. But without more info, it's just speculation.

    brian
     
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    I lost a friend on one of those flights, so I regard this "truther" BS as worthless BS.
     
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    "More to the story" is an understatement.

    I'm apparently not allowed to post links yet. Go to youtube and search for "building 7 demolition expert". It's the first one on the list, the one from Danny Jowenko.

    brian
     
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    No. It happened going on 10 years ago now. If you want the truth, buy and read Amazon.com: The 9/11 Commission Report: Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (Indexed Hardcover, Authorized Edition) (9780393060416): National Commission on Terrorist Attacks: Books like the rest of us did. :doh:
     
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    Do you believe everything the government tells you? Is there a statute of limitations on the truth?

    If I wanted to learn more about the government's position on the collapse of building 7, I'd like to get that from the 9/11 commission report. But I can't. Because the 9/11 commission report doesn't even mention building 7. :doh:

    I noticed you didn't try to answer any of my questions.

    brian
     
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    No, but I'm certainly more inclined to believe them then a collection of disparate loons on the internet. ;)

    Google is your friend: http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf

    Lol, why bother? Debunking conspiracy theories isn't high on my list of priorities.
     
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    The official version of events IS a conspiracy theory. It claims 19 hijackers were taking orders from a guy in a cave. Legally speaking, that's a conspiracy. You could say it is a conspiracy FACT, but then again, evolution is a "fact" to non believers.
     
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    I think we both know that I was referring to the unlikely concept that the Illuminati-led Bush Administration sent planes loaded with their own citizens into their own buildings, or blew them up with explosives, as part of some nefarious New World Order plot. Or whatever the theory is these days.
     
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    If I had to speculate from the incomplete evidence, I'd say that there's a small number of elites controlling the world banking system, which in turn controls politicians in key positions in governments all over the world. I believe this does play into the one world government that revelations speaks about. But the details have yet to be revealed. I believe this is the reason the US is failing. It's being systematically destroyed so that americans will be willing to accept a new government and a new currency.

    The link between the elites an 9/11 is unclear. Like I said, I don't think we know enough to connect the dots about 9/11. But I'm certain that the government is lying. It's obvious to anyone who approaches the idea with an open mind. I don't think "the government" did this. I think it was done by people outside of the government, but in a position to control the government to the extent necessary to pull it off.

    I think the implications of this are really frightening. If 9/11 was indeed not as the government claims, what else have they lied about? What was the real motivation then? What else is going on that we don't know about? It is really scary. And for this reason, people choose to reject the idea out of hand, without considering any of the facts.

    The "plane" that hit the pentagon was traveling in excess of 500 knots. This fact is not in dispute. This significantly exceeds the design limits of a 757. That speed at that altitude would cause a structural failure. This fact is not in dispute. Yet the government's story claims that a 757 traveling at 500 knots struck the pentagon. And millions of people accept the story without question.

    Kerosene, under ideal conditions, burns at a maximum temperature that's about half that necessary to melt steel. This is according to the laws of physics. Yet the government version of events claims that the kerosene fire melted the steel. And no steel buildings in history, or since, have collapsed due to fire. And millions of people accept the story without question.

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    OK - so if a 757 didn't hit the pentagon, where'd it go? How do you fly a passenger jet full of people away from some of the most heavily controlled airspace in the world off into the ether without a single radio communication, radar track or photograph, wihtout a visual sighting or without people hearing the noise from it?

    I have yet to hear one single truther answer this question without resorting to truly bizarre theories.

    And do you have a source for the 500 knot claim?
     
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    Well, if you actually bothered reading the account of the building seven collapse, you would see quite plainly that you are factually incorrect about what the government says happened. ^_^
     
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    Some of the families of the 9/11 victims are still waiting for their questions to be answered. I think these should be answered.

    They are reasonable questions, not conspiracy centered.

    At any rate, why should another, fuller investigation be problematic ?
     
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    OK - so if a 757 didn't hit the pentagon, where'd it go? How do you fly a passenger jet full of people away from some of the most heavily controlled airspace in the world off into the ether without a single radio communication, radar track or photograph, wihtout a visual sighting or without people hearing the noise from it?

    The plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon was out of contact, including radar, for about 20 minutes. There was at least one person who made a phone call from that plane before it struck, a woman to her husband. It was at first claimed she was using s cell phone, but it at those speeds and altitudes, cell phones wouldn't work. Then the Husband changed his story, that his wife was using the planes in seat phone, but that particular plane didn't have those. The government then stated that the wife did call to tell her husband that hijackers ha taken over the plain, but they said that the phone call lasted zero seconds. How does that work? Also, there has never been a plane crash in history where the black box was not found. In this case, four planes crashed, and none of them were recovered. huh.
     
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