Christian masculinity

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How does one "gird up" his loins ?
I think it means the truth. So be a man in the truth that Jesus presents to you. Truth is only yah wide but infinately deep. I didn't see where the quote came from but to be boringly simple I would think that applies to all of mankind.
 
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Says one scientist!

I quoted multiple articles that quoted multiple scientists.

I had a doctor (she was a woman) who actually talked to me about how men and women's brains are set up differently and even had some books about it.

She should read up on more modern psychology.


Scientists... one week they'll say one thing and next week they'll say the exact opposite!

Eh, not really. As scientist discover new things and learn more, they may change their minds if the new discovery turned out to be wrong. That's only the appropriate reaction.

I think that's one of those things where you'll get totally different answers based on which scientist you ask.

Perhaps not all psychologists agree, but the majority do agree that men and women are not different as society thinks they are.

Anyways, the Bible is very clear about differing gender roles

Outside of being the head of the house and leading/teaching in a church, there's really no Biblical argument that can be made about what men and women should and shouldn't do. I've never read a passage that remotely indicated a woman can't be a soldier or a man can't be a housekeeper.
 
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Outside of being the head of the house and leading/teaching in a church, there's really no Biblical argument that can be made about what men and women should and shouldn't do. I've never read a passage that remotely indicated a woman can't be a soldier or a man can't be a housekeeper.

Sow clap. More people should see that.
 
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We have threads promoting ... men ... should wear makeup.

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Part of the problem, I think, can be a false dichotomy. The OP offers the loose guideline that courage, independence, and assertiveness are masculine traits. It doesn't necessarily follow from there that being feminine means displaying the opposite of courage, independence, and assertiveness. Yet some people (not necessarily in this thread or on this site, but in general) seem to think it does. Thus the stereotype that some caveman is ready to conk a dinosaur over the head to protect his woman, while she can do nothing but stand by helplessly and scream herself silly.

I was raised a child of the 1970's. I remember a lot of sexism in society, and really it worked against both genders. When I got old enough to have a job, I remember that there were places like convenience stores that would not put a female employee on an overnight shift by herself. Supposedly the store was more vulnerable to robbery if a woman was there alone, whereas a man was thought to be better able to protect himself and the store. Huh? Don't men also bleed if they get robbed and shot? In my younger years, men weren't supposed to admit to being afraid, even when their lives were at stake. But that's not what bravery is. To quote John Wayne: Courage isn't not being afraid. Courage is being scared to death, and saddling up anyway."

My question is, does a courageous, independent, assertive woman emasculate a man? If so, why?
 
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Courage, independence, and assertiveness are masculine traits.

Overemphasized masculinity is called machismo and isn't what this thread is about.
Those traits also describe many women. What makes them male specific?
 
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My question is, does a courageous, independent, assertive woman emasculate a man? If so, why?
Good question because I see that as being the case in a lot of instances. The onus should be on the one 'made' to feel that way. Not the onus on the one just being themselves. Women in flat shoes type of thing. You cannot be comfortable unless catering to the male ego or shaming will be the result. Even tho it's done in a respectful way love is the farthest feeling reflected.
 
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In the 1500's to the 1700's (possibly even longer), "civilized" European men dressed in ways that would be considered feminine by todays standards... So, sometimes I don't know what POV is natural, or by what cultural standards one should judge. I know what I prefer, which is not to be quite that 'showy'.

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...Note, they're typically all carrying daggers and swords too, so you might assume they're not the type to shy away from a fight to the death either.
 
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In the 1500's to the 1700's (possibly even longer), "civilized" European men dressed in ways that would be considered feminine by todays standards... So, sometimes I don't know what POV is natural, or by what cultural standards one should judge. I know what I prefer, which is not to be quite that 'showy'.

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...Note, they're typically all carrying daggers and swords too, so you might assume they're not the type to shy away from a fight to the death either.
This is about masculinity as it applies in a Christian context. Fopish Renaissance nobles don't factor into that discussion. I'd say they are outliers in dress. But this is more about behavior than dress.
 
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We have threads saying masculinity can be negative. We have threads promoting the emasculating of men and saying they should wear makeup. Here's a thread on the virtues of masculinity in the Christian tradition.

Reflection: Feast of St. Joseph, A Tribute to Masculinity



Reflection: Feast of St. Joseph, A Tribute to Masculinity - Living Faith - Home & Family - News - Catholic Online
I sent this to my son a while ago, its one of the best explanations of Godly masculinity I've encountered:
http://www.aish.com/jl/l/bm/Being-a-Man.html#.WBj6YPDKPLs.mailto
 
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This is about masculinity as it applies in a Christian context. Fopish Renaissance nobles don't factor into that discussion. I'd say they are outliers in dress. But this is more about behavior than dress.

In that case, I would say honesty, uprightness, and of sound judgement, would be 3 qualities ideal of men -mostly of which St. Joseph would have surely displayed.

EDIT -- For the record, I would assume that overly wealthy, perhaps even spoiled Renassance nobles would have lacked in these qualities, being so overly concerned with their own appearance and/or status.
 
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...Note, they're typically all carrying daggers and swords too, so you might assume they're not the type to shy away from a fight to the death either.

Interesting place to carry them, between their legs like that....
 
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Interesting place to carry them, between their legs like that....

Didn't notice that... Just that they were on their sides is all.

...Very flamboyant people, they were.:D
 
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...Maybe the renaissance types, were a similar type of movement then, whose kind led up to the French Revolution, as the modern thing we're seeing going on today -where masculinity is downplayed.

...Just a thought.

...Equally absurd, yet so similar in so many ways.
 
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Those are virtuous traits for anybody. They're not just masculine traits.

I disagree on assertiveness... I'm going to reject that and replace it with prudence.
 
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I disagree on assertiveness... I'm going to reject that and replace it with prudence.

I thought about debating that one, but I see the point of it. I think it's a virtue if it's in check & if it's done with decency. Bc you can be assertive in a way that means you're kind, you're just not a pushover. You can be assertive in a way that you're mean & the one pushing people over. So 1 is a virtue, 1 is a vice.
 
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I thought about debating that one, but I see the point of it. I think it's a virtue if it's in check & if it's done with decency. Bc you can be assertive in a way that means you're kind, you're just not a pushover. You can be assertive in a way that you're mean & the one pushing people over. So 1 is a virtue, 1 is a vice.

I don't know, sometimes I see assertive people who act or speak prematurely, showing a lack wisdom because they missed certain important details, or failed to think something all the way through. I tend to be not overly talkative, usually because I'm more prudent in thought and in conversation, and I see myself as a masculine person.

...As far as 'getting things done', though, I think that's where being assertive is a masculine trait.
 
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