Christian Conservative Politicians

[Archaeopteryx]

If evil (Evil People) is defined to be what the Bible says is evil and physical reality shows leads to disease, death and destruction, then I do not believe I have anything to worry about.

Not even the Bible grants you the capacity to analyze the content of a whole heart and make such judgment, so the point is moot.

 

[Museveni]

Reminds me of the psycho dictatorship that the US has turned into in Escape from L.A. Where drinking, smoking, sex outside of marriage and protesting among other things gets you sent to the death camp that L.A have been turned into, unless you choose execution on arrival.

 

[bigbadwilf]

Some would call it genocide, but others would call it God's justice against evil.

So genocide is ok if it's your "God's justice"? Presumably it's limited to your god rather than anyone else's?

Obama calls it torture that is not necessary, Chaney calls it interrogation that was necessary to protect the American people.

you say tom-a-to, I say mistreatment of prisoners. I think both international consensus and the legal presedent support my perspective. Aside from the bible and the GOP, what supports yours?

There are at least two ways at looking things, just as there are Christians and there are Atheists.

And Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists and Sihks and Jews and all and all. Each with their own point of view. Generally, mistreating prisoners is frowned on almost universally.

There is good and there is evil.

And an awful lot of ground in the middle, which is occupied by normal ordinary people

God will reward those who agree with Him by an eternity in Heaven and reward those you do not agree with Him with an eternity in Hell.

So your perception of God neatly fits in the "love me or I'll torture you for eternity" school of thought. I can see where your not objecting to torturing people of other religions would fit with that. After all, man was supposedly made in God's image...

 

[Staccato]

Some would call it genocide, but others would call it God's justice against evil.

You are not God and your justice is not God's justice.

What I worry about is being defined as evil (Evil People) because of my belief in God and the inerrorancy of the Bible by Atheists that got control of the government.

Liberal Christian could be spared, but Conservative Christians could be fed to the Lions.

*insert persecution pie charts here*

 

[bigbadwilf]

*insert persecution pie charts here*

You rang?

 

[clirus]

You are not God and your justice is not God's justice.
*insert persecution pie charts here*

II Timothy 3:16 states, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness".

 

[clirus]

You've stated before that you believe that parents who have their child out of wedlock should be executed and the child given to a Christian couple. Hell, you'd probably have my boyfriend and I hauled out behind our apartment building and shot in the head simply because we are sharing a one-bedroom apartment without a legal marriage contract.

If you think for one second that anyone sane would vote for a politician campaigning on such a platform you're out of your mind. The only way such a party could come to power is by lying about their real agenda or by somehow overthrowing our government and taking over the country. Do you honestly think that people will just sit and put up with the government executing their loved ones left and right? That they'll just be like "Oh well looks like we were so wrong to live like we did, time to repent Praise Jesus!"

That's never going to happen, Clirus. The trend I've noticed with fundamentalists who want to institute Old Testament law is that they are operating under the delusion that the average American will just sit and take it. Sure, we like to sit around and watch American Idol and ignore politics for the most part for now, but right now our teenagers aren't being stoned to death for swearing at their parents. No one's having their babies yanked out of their arms and a gun pointed at their head because the child was born out of wedlock. So go ahead, try to institute your little fantasy of murdering all the people you feel are evil. And when the population rises up and puts your head on the end of a pole we'll see what God really has to say to you about killing in His name.

Will it be murder when God sends people to Hell for eternity or will it be justice and righteousness?

I do not intend to do anything to anyone, and nothing should be done to anyone unless they violate Civil Law. However Civil Law can only be good law if it is consistent with the Bible.

My only intent is to present the warnings of the Bible and let people make their choices.

I feel no responsibility for people that make bad choices and dislike socialism because it coddles people that do make bad choices.

 

[tanzanos]

II Timothy 3:16 states, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness".

oh goody that means we can kill disobedient children with gods blessing!!!!

 

[clirus]

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Hmmm...so CHRISTIANS liberals who like to care for the environment, believe in social programs and helping the poor and needy, belive in equality of the sexes and equal rights for all humans, and womens choice are all Atheists w/an agenda??? LOL

Adultery-PLENTY of Christians do that all the time Homosexuality? Plent of Christians and Christian leaders do that also?

People wanting equal rights is all equated to atheistic agenday-hmmm...gotcha...

Response

The good things of the Bible can be perverted into evil.

Care for the environment can become worship of the environment instead of God.

Helping the poor and needy can be perverted into acceptance of sin.

Equality of the sexes can be perverted into women have control over men. I Corinthians 11:3 states, "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

Equal rights for all humans can be perverted into making good and evil equal.

A woman's choice can be perverted into abortion.

Christians that are involved in sin are not in God's will and have no joy. John 15:10-12 states, "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you"

Even love can be perverted into lust.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

The good things of the Bible can be perverted into evil.

And some things, like many of your claims of letting suffer and of 'whatever it takes' have no basis in the Bible at all.

Helping the poor and needy can be perverted into acceptance of sin.

By that line of thought, God helping us through Christ is "perverted into acceptance of sin."

Equality of the sexes can be perverted into women have control over men. I Corinthians 11:3 states, "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

And what does Paul write in his letter to the Galatians? "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor freeman, man nor woman; all are one in Christ Jesus."

Equal rights for all humans can be perverted into making good and evil equal.

No. Equal rights for human beings is reserved for human beings, not for equality between good and evil.

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

TheNewWorldMan quote
If evil (Evil People) is defined to be what the Bible says is evil and physical reality shows leads to disease, death and destruction, then I do not believe I have anything to worry about.

What I worry about is being defined as evil (Evil People) because of my belief in God and the inerrorancy of the Bible by Atheists that got control of the government.

And you're advocating defining anyone who doesn't toe your theological line as "evil" and executing them.

So what separates you from them?

Because you "believe in the Bible?"

Jesus said that even Satan is a believer.

YOU are the one advocating evil. So YOU are one of the "Evil People." Not because of your belief in any book, but because you advocate genocide. You're no different from Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Idi Amin in your evil. You only differ in advocating that a different subset of the population be exterminated.

Now, I fully anticipate the mods around here will delete this post, as this is the only forum I am aware of--with the possible exception of Stormfront--where it is acceptable to advocate genocide, but unacceptable to call someone who advocates genocide "evil."

 

[clirus]

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Not even the Bible grants you the capacity to analyze the content of a whole heart and make such judgment, so the point is moot.

Response

Could you provide some Bible verses to justify that statement?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

bjspurple quote

Not even the Bible grants you the capacity to analyze the content of a whole heart and make such judgment, so the point is moot.

Response

Could you provide some Bible verses to justify that statement?

That's the beauty of it: I don't need to. No where does the Bible explicitly proclaim that it is authored for the purpose of giving you the capacity to judge the value of whole human persons in their entirety.

It is you who needs to examine Scripture and find verses that support your ideas: such as 'whatever it takes', extending charity to only widows and orphans of fellow Christians, and 'let[ing] them suffer'. None of those claims have any basis in conventional Christianity nor Scripture.

 

[overit]

Clirius-I have a hard time responding because I honestly don't like giving you any attention....but you're the type of person that makes Christians be terrified of a "Theocracy"....because it's no different then the Taliban really. Any theocracy based country turns into this-I"m actually distubred a post like this is kept up on a CHristian forum...your words are a disgrace to Christianity, Christ and Scripture.

 

[Shemjaza]

Wow. Just wow.

My cousins are fundamentalist Christians who I strongly suspect are convinced I’m going to burn in hell… but they are kind, loving, generous people. This screed is just an abomination.

I’m normally dead set against violence, war and the death penalty.
However if a government with these kind of attitudes came to power in my country, they had better hope that their god will protect them in the afterlife, because nothing would protect them from me if they came for my friends and family.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Wow. Just wow.

My cousins are fundamentalist Christians who I strongly suspect are convinced I’m going to burn in hell… but they are kind, loving, generous people. This screed is just an abomination.

I’m normally dead set against violence, war and the death penalty.
However if a government with these kind of attitudes came to power in my country, they had better hope that their god will protect them in the afterlife, because nothing would protect them from me if they came for my friends and family.

I noticed that you are here registered on these forums as an Atheist, a supporter of the Greens, and you stand against war and the death penalty. Absent a few other qualities, you represent exactly what Clirus considers to be an 'Atheistic Lifestyle'. Indeed, many Christians possess those same qualities that Clirus considers to be Atheistic in nature. Doesn't it strike you as odd then that your 'Atheistic Lifestyle' seems so much more humane than Clirus' 'Christian Lifestyle' which incorporates: doing 'whatever it takes' to win in a military campaign; extending charity to the 'widows and orphans of fellow Christians' only; and 'let[ing] them suffer' so they convert to Christianity? Hang on... that isn't a Christian lifestyle at all!

 

[tanzanos]

Sometimes I wonder if we Atheists are not more Christian than the Christians

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

I think it was Stephen King who came up with the best theory on explaining human nature. I may have his exact percentages wrong, but here goes:

About 2% of people are saints, and 2% are jerks. About 6% are doers...they just get stuff done.

The other 90% of the human race, they're just along for the ride.

I'm not billing this as a comprehensive view of human nature, but I'll rate it's at least as good as any other.

 

[clirus]

I think it was Stephen King who came up with the best theory on explaining human nature. I may have his exact percentages wrong, but here goes:

About 2% of people are saints, and 2% are jerks. About 6% are doers...they just get stuff done.

The other 90% of the human race, they're just along for the ride.

I'm not billing this as a comprehensive view of human nature, but I'll rate it's at least as good as any other.

Will the ride lead to heaven or hell? What are the percentages?

Should Christians provide cars for the Atheists?

Should Christians defend their cars from the Atheists?

Statement of Atheistic Principles, "I prayed to god for a bicycle, after a while I stole a bicycle and payed to god for forgiveness."

 

[AirPo]

Will the ride lead to heaven or hell? What are the percentages?

Should Christians provide cars for the Atheists?

Should Christians defend their cars from the Atheists?

Statement of Atheistic Principles, "I prayed to god for a bicycle, after a while I stole a bicycle and payed to god for forgiveness."

Actually that's a statement of comedic princilpes. I'm beginning to think that the OP is as well.