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Christian Conservative Politicians

Discussion in 'General Political Discussion' started by clirus, May 21, 2009.

  1. clirus

    clirus New Member

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    Christian Conservative Politicians

    I want Christian Conservative Politicians to run for office that state they will represent good people and rebuke/execute evil people.

    I want a Christian Conservative Politician that will represent the Christian side in the Cultural War.

    There is a cultural war in America between Christians and Atheists. This war is being fought on the battlefield of politics. The battles are in the voting booth. The prize in the cultural war is the hearts, minds and souls of the children. The Atheistic liberal news media greatly influences both domestic and foreign policy by constantly reporting only bad news about Christians, Conservatives and Republicans and only good news about atheists, liberals and democrats. The agenda of the Atheistic liberal news media is to promote evolution, extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, adultery, homosexuality and the Atheistic Lifestyle by having democrats in control of government.

    The determination of evil should be based on the Bible and physical reality. If the Bible says something is a sin/evil, it should be rebuked, but if the Bible says it is sin/evil and physical reality shows it leads to disease, death and destruction, then there should be execution.

    I believe the Bible teaches all things should be dealt with by the following three levels of action;
    1) If it is good - accept it and nourish it.
    2) If it is evil - rebuke it but tolerate it.
    3) If it threatens your existence - destroy it before it destroys you. This is self defense, which both the individual and society have a right and responsibility to do.

    The first two are from the New Testament of the Bible and represent the Law of Love. The third is from the Old Testament of the Bible and represents the Law of Purity/Self Defense. The New Testament deals more with personal responsibility and the Old Testament deals more with the preservation of society. The Old Testament and the New Testament together present God's Law, a means of survival for a person, a nation and a world.

    The process used in America to insure that the correct people are executed (the decision to go from tolerance to destruction) is the jury process and the authorization of war by congress. The purpose of law is to protect good people from evil people by restricting/executing the evil people so that good people do not have to take the law into their own hands. No process is ever perfect, but the imperfect jury/congressional process is the only possible way to preserve society/civilization.

    The government should rebuke evil as in the Stop Smoking campaign where people are told, "Is there anything dumber than smoking". There needs to be a similar program for adultery, homosexuality, obesity, etc.

    The Church needs to rebuke sin/evil in obedience to God and the government needs to rebuke evil because of health and safety reasons.
     
  2. Archaeopteryx

    Archaeopteryx Wanderer

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    You claim (a) that we should execute evil people. You have also in the past claimed (b) that all human beings have a sin nature. From this we can deduce (b - i): that all human beings have a bit of 'evil' in their nature. On the basis of those premises the conclusion that follows is that we must execute ALL human beings.

    Alternatively, you can claim that you do not possess the omnipotent capacity to know whether a whole person is evil. I do not claim that you cannot morally deduce whether particular courses of action are evil, but merely that you do not possess the propensity to judge the entirety of a person since you cannot examine the contents of their heart.

    (a) You have yet to provide in evidence in the support of the pervasive existence of an Atheistic Liberal News Media and Entertainment Industry. Until you do so, we have no reason to accept such a claim.
    (b) If the agenda of this apparent media conglomeration is to promote evolution, then why are Creationists given a platform with which to speak? If its aims are to promote homosexuality, then why (in the past, and even the present) have speakers been allowed to endorse anti-homosexual (sometimes even homophobic) views on national television? If the goal of this media is to endorse homosexuality, then why was Miss California (I think that's who it was) allowed to express her dissent on national television? And why, oh why, did this media even allow advertisements for Republican candidates to be broadcast concurrently with those of their Democratic counter-parts? Sounds more like the agenda of the ALNM is, like the ALNW itself, a myth.

    Unchecked corporatism can lead to a social reality of death and destruction, generating tremendously detrimental externalities along the way. Should we therefore execute unchecked corporatism too?

    But what if it becomes necessary throughout the course of a war to abandon God's Law - both the Old and New Testaments - in doing 'whatever it takes'? What if the Law of Purity and the Law of Love must be violated in the process? What if, even further, one is placed in a situation where they must violate their Christianity in doing 'whatever it takes'?

    That's an interesting theory of law. I prefer to see law as a social contract by which society agrees to govern itself in order to maximize the public good.

    Preventative health programs are quite good. They attempt to inform the public and thereby minimize the negative externalities imposed on all society by lifestyle diseases. In turn, if public health outcomes improve, there is less reliance on medical science to cure diseases and less of an economic burden on the healthcare system. (Note, however, I do not endorse the ideas that homosexuality is any way a 'disease').
     
  3. AirPo

    AirPo with a Touch of Grey

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    The OP sounds like an episode of the The Twilight Zone. -->"Four O'Clock"
     
  4. tanzanos

    tanzanos Guest

    Nah! The creature from the Black Lagoon is more like him!
     
  5. Nathan Poe

    Nathan Poe New Member

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    I want Angelina Jolie's phone number. I got a better chance than you.
     
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    In other words, what you want, Clirus, is a Christian Democratic Party of the United States of America! :clap:

    Wo-hoo!

    I'll say, go for it. :wave:
     
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    Gishin New Member

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    Is advocating genocide against the rules of these boards?
     
  8. bigbadwilf

    bigbadwilf Drinking from the glass half-empty

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    Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. 1 Samuel 15:3

    Sounds like genocide to me, although what with me being a heathen what would I know?
     
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    Point taken. As you were!
     
  10. TheNewWorldMan

    TheNewWorldMan phased plasma rifle in 40-watt range

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    Ein volk, ein Reich, eh?

    What if these politicians, once they seize the absolute power you would grant them, decide YOU are one of the Evil PeopleĀ®?

    You know what they say about absolute power, right?
     
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    clirus New Member

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    TheNewWorldMan quote

    What if these politicians, once they seize the absolute power you would grant them, decide YOU are one of the Evil PeopleĀ®?

    Respons

    If evil (Evil People) is defined to be what the Bible says is evil and physical reality shows leads to disease, death and destruction, then I do not believe I have anything to worry about.

    What I worry about is being defined as evil (Evil People) because of my belief in God and the inerrorancy of the Bible by Atheists that got control of the government.

    Liberal Christian could be spared, but Conservative Christians could be fed to the Lions.
     
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    clirus New Member

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    bigbadwilf quote

    Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. 1 Samuel 15:3

    Sounds like genocide to me, although what with me being a heathen what would I know?

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    Some would call it genocide, but others would call it God's justice against evil.

    Obama calls it torture that is not necessary, Chaney calls it interrogation that was necessary to protect the American people.

    There are at least two ways at looking things, just as there are Christians and there are Atheists.

    There is good and there is evil.

    God will reward those who agree with Him by an eternity in Heaven and reward those you do not agree with Him with an eternity in Hell.
     
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    clirus New Member

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    In other words, what you want, Clirus, is a Christian Democratic Party of the United States of America!

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    Maybe there can be a Liberal Christian Democratic Party, but the democratic party positions on abortion and homosexuality would make the democratic party a poor choice for Conservative Christians.

    Republicans have yet to prove to me that they totally support Christian principles, but democrats have proven they do "not" support Christian Principles.
     
  14. AirPo

    AirPo with a Touch of Grey

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    So how's that working out for you? Are all the evil people diseased and dead? How about the not evil people? Are they all well and alive?
     
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    Indeed. Neither the US Republican Party nor the US Democratic Party comes even close. Which is why I am suggesting that what the United States of America needs is a third option: Christian Democracy. It's about high time for a Christian Democratic Party of the United States of America, bringing our Bible-based values to national, local, and international politics on that side of the Atlantic as well. Not a Liberal Christian Democratic Party (whatever that is) but a honest European-style Christian Democratic Party.
     
  16. tanzanos

    tanzanos Guest

    Are you kidding??? They will brand them Socialist devils and send them to Guantanamo!!!!
     
  17. crishmael

    crishmael nothing but the rain

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    And like many things that America does, torture is both good and approved by God because we did it.
     
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    crishmael nothing but the rain

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    Hey, don't you warn those socialist devils! It's their fault if they come close enough to a Christian country to finally get what's coming to them! :D
     
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    Chajara iEdit

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    You've stated before that you believe that parents who have their child out of wedlock should be executed and the child given to a Christian couple. Hell, you'd probably have my boyfriend and I hauled out behind our apartment building and shot in the head simply because we are sharing a one-bedroom apartment without a legal marriage contract.

    If you think for one second that anyone sane would vote for a politician campaigning on such a platform you're out of your mind. The only way such a party could come to power is by lying about their real agenda or by somehow overthrowing our government and taking over the country. Do you honestly think that people will just sit and put up with the government executing their loved ones left and right? That they'll just be like "Oh well looks like we were so wrong to live like we did, time to repent Praise Jesus!"

    That's never going to happen, Clirus. The trend I've noticed with fundamentalists who want to institute Old Testament law is that they are operating under the delusion that the average American will just sit and take it. Sure, we like to sit around and watch American Idol and ignore politics for the most part for now, but right now our teenagers aren't being stoned to death for swearing at their parents. No one's having their babies yanked out of their arms and a gun pointed at their head because the child was born out of wedlock. So go ahead, try to institute your little fantasy of murdering all the people you feel are evil. And when the population rises up and puts your head on the end of a pole we'll see what God really has to say to you about killing in His name.
     
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    OH goodness-the absurdity of these thoughts were the laughs I needed to brighten up my Friday LOL

    These people like the OP ACTUALLY do exist...my my my (chuckling)

    "The agenda of the Atheistic liberal news media is to promote evolution, extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, adultery, homosexuality and the Atheistic Lifestyle by having democrats in control of government."

    Hmmm...so CHRISTIANS liberals who like to care for the environment, believe in social programs and helping the poor and needy, belive in equality of the sexes and equal rights for all humans, and womens choice are all Atheists w/an agenda??? LOL

    Adultery-PLENTY of Christians do that all the time :) Homosexuality? Plent of Christians and Christian leaders do that also?
    People wanting equal rights is all equated to atheistic agenday-hmmm...gotcha...

    You're a trip dude :)
     
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