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China has the mark of the beast on its hand.

Discussion in 'Christian Current Affairs' started by John Stefanyszyn, Jan 15, 2012.

  1. John Stefanyszyn

    John Stefanyszyn New Member

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    The power of the USA and its way of life....China, who has publicly said that it does not support the santions on Iran, is bowing to the pressure and power from the US to work with the USA in transferring its oil business to the Arab countries., thus supporting the santions on Iran.

    China has the mark of the beast on its hand.

    Recently, US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner was in Beijing meeting Chinese leaders to seek support for sanctions on Iran's oil industry.

    Mr. Geithner met counterpart Vice Premier Wang Qishan on Tuesday (Jan 10, 2012) night and is meeting Premier Wen Jiabao, Vice President Xi Jinping and Vice Premier Li Keqiang today (Jan. 11,2012).
    Both countries pledged to work together to boost global economic recovery.

    But, watchers say, it remains unlikely that China will support sanctions.
    (...why then did Mr. Wen go to the middle east to meet the heads of oil producing countries?)

    China buys almost a third of Iran's oil exports and has rejected US unilateral actions in the past.

    The meeting with Mr Xi, who is in line to become China's next leader, started on a friendly note.
    "I believe your visit will go a long way to promote the stability and further growth of our economic relationship," he said to Mr. Geithner at the Great Hall of the People in central Beijing.

    Mr. Geithner's visit comes ahead of Mr. Wen's scheduled visit to the oil and gas producing countries of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates this weekend - a sign that China may be seeking other options for its energy supply.

    Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao visits (Jan 14, 2012) Arab oil-producing nations amid fears of major sanctions-related disruption to Iranian oil exports.
    (...a good excuse to save face for the Chinese.)

    Mr Wen visited Saudi Arabia - China's biggest source of imported oil - on Saturday.
    He told Saudi Prince Nayef both countries are "in important stages of development and there are broad prospects for enhancing cooperation," China's state-run news agency Xinhua reports.
    "Both sides must strive together to expand trade and co-operation, upstream and downstream, in crude oil and natural gas," Mr Wen added.

    During his visit, state-run Saudi oil giant Aramco and China's Sinopec finalised an initial agreement to build an oil refinery in the Red Sea city of Yanbu to deal with 400,000 barrels per day.

    In Rev 11:15, it is written that those (nations) that would not do hommage to the image of the beast (that would not willingly receive its mark on their hand or on their forehead), that they (their rulership-way of life-fortress)would be (αποκταωθωσιν) cut-off / abolished / killed.


    Iran is being cut-off...and its way of rulership will be abolished.
    However, China has willignly received the mark of the beast on its hand.
     
  2. WinBySurrender

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    Interesting synopsis, John, but "mark of the beast"? I'm not sure how you reach that conclusion, particularly since the mark won't be given until the middle of the Tribulation.
     
  3. Autumnleaf

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    The US is giving China the oil in the Middle East and they're asking China to keep an eye on Iran. The US is doing this because oil is going to flow cheaply to the US from Canada and the Dakotas.

    I'm sure it has to do with the mark of the beast on China's hand. I'm glad you brought that to my attention John. Otherwise it might have slipped by me.
     
  4. God's Fighter

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    I concur.

    And frankly this is another example of fear mongering and sensationalism. A plague in the minds of individuals. I would say this plague is closer to the Deluding Spirit than China is to bearing the mark of the beast.
     
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  6. John Stefanyszyn

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    Mr. WinBySurrender,

    The tribulation (the trumpets and bowls) have already started.

    Having the mark of the beast….paying homage to its image.

    Dan 11:36-39…the last king of the north (the most powerful world nation (+group of nations)….the beast) will…
    …Do according to his own will (belief in self-interest, self-rights)
    …exalt and magnify himself (this belief in self-rights) above every god
    …speak blasphemies against the God of gods (against the Preeminence of the One and Only God)

    …prosper till the wrath (the tribulation (trumpets/bowls) of God) has been accomplished
    Ä ……please note that it is written that this “leader” and his belief will prosper (grow and overwhelm the world) during the wrath of God….in other words the prosperity of its belief is the wrath of God on man. It is that which God has given man over in order to test those that claim to be followers of Christ and to bring to clear evidence man’s rejection of Christ as the Son of the One and Only God. To reject the self-righteous way of man and to confess Christ as the Only True Way is the baptism through fire to be purified in faith. Those that confess Christ to be the Son of the One True God will be persecuted and killed.

    …regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women (other religions- other gods)
    …magnify himself (his belief in the self-rights) above them all (all other beliefs and way of life)
    …but in their place he will honor, with gold, silver, and precious stones, a “god of all fortresses”, which his fathers did not know

    …he will act against and overcome the strongest fortresses by acknowledging and advancing the glory of this foreign god, his “god of fortresses”

    It is written that the last head of the beast, the eight from the seventh, will have two horns (two authorities). One will be as a false lamb and the other will be one speaking the true message of the dragon.
    Ä In other words, the outward message will be as of light (seen to be in man’s eyes as righteousness, goodness, and peace). However, the word spoken will be one that denies the preeminence of the Creator God as the One and Only….a message that also denies the relevance of Christ as the One and Only Way of Life to the True God.

    The image of the beast is one where it represents (as a false lamb) peace, human rights, freedom of rights, freedom of religion, common good, universal values. This image is being advanced and pressured into all the world. This image is being willingly worshipped by the majority of nations and its peoples. There are some rulers that do not want to live by this way. Sanctions and other pressures, from outside and from the peoples within those nations, are being applied on them in order to conform.
    This image of the beast is one which also speaks (as the dragon) because it has labeled the True God as a religion among religions, to be worshipped as per one’s belief in freedom of religion.

    It has placed its “god of fortresses” above the True God.
     
  7. Living in the Light

    Living in the Light How may I be a better Christian?

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    Don't worry -- the beast will eventually be vanquished.
     
  8. 99percentatheism

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    Absolutely perfect perspective.

    Why in the world do we "Christians" give a care about the Mark of the Beast, the Anti-Christ and the "end of the world?"

    Now certainly, I DO NOT KNOW what it's like to face death for my belief in Christ. And I don't know what I would actually do if faced with a choice between life and certain death for my faith.

    But, the whole anti-Christ deal has nothing to do with us IF, IF we keep our faith in Christ.

    Actually, the whole mark-of-the-beast-apocalypse scenario only REAFFIRMS the reality of the truth of Christ and His Church.

    It's good to read about these stories, like India embracing mark-of-the-beast kind of marking systems. BUT, ultimately we should rejoice that WHEN we have to make that choice for Christ, and that it will mean our death, we will make it as gladly as did our ancient brothers and sisters did in ancient Rome, AND in our world AT THIS MOMENT!!!
     
  9. WinBySurrender

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    You definitely need to stop listening to whomever you are listening to and do some real BIble study. The Tribulation does not start until after the Rapture and at the point of which the antichrist is revealed. Please don't respond. I know you don't agree, and truthfully, I don't care. You won't change my mind.
     
  10. Living in the Light

    Living in the Light How may I be a better Christian?

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    Matthew 6 25 Therefore I say unto you, be not anxious for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than the food, and the body than the raiment?

    This says it all, doesn't it?
     
  11. 99percentatheism

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    The Rapture.

    But what if you're wrong? I believe that the Rapture looks sensible, but the Christians in Peter's time that were matyred, thought it was so and it never happened. They kept their faith none the less.

    How many modern day "Christians" would walk the gallows for nothing more than believing in Christ?

    And without doubt, Muslims and Hindu's and Atheist Chinese are murdering Christians in today's world for no other reason.
     
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    Elaborate. Sounds plausible to me.

    Have you ever noticed how marxist the American deomocratic party is? And all of the immorality it champions looks quite dark as well.
     
  13. WinBySurrender

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    Reading the posted portion of the article was enough, but the title in your link really convinced me: This is an incorrect look at the Tribulation. Quite simply, the current (and for that matter, it has gone on since after the Flood) socio-economic system is not the beast, but Babylon. Babylon is a two-pronged pitchfork: False, idolatrous religion and false, idolatrous economics. In the former, rote, ritual and focus off of Christ is presented as truth. In the latter, money becomes the focus and replaces the truth. Both are destroyed at the Judgment.
     
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    The Serpent, the Beast, and the False Prophet
    Today we see their meanings because we have historical hindsight. The Serpent which led Adam and Eve out of Eden is the Serpent or Dragon that we still have today. It is the 'survival of the fittest nature" that occurs in all mankind. When we selfishly strive for our personal service than we are acting like, and manefesting for The Serpent. Although this form of goverance breeds vitality in the species it's kingdom soon becomes a scary dangerous and dreadful place not at all good for the spirit of man. Nature's way of natural selection is what the Bible means when it talks about "a Serpent, Dragon, Devil, or Satan. Gen.3;1 Matt.4;1 Rev. 12;3 Rev.20;2
    After about 2000 years of living under natures Serpent government the 12 Tribes of Israel were led across the Jordan River into the promiced land and the Law of Justice. No longer did a man have to watch over his back as he ploughed his field. In Israel, with Moses's law and Jubilee, mankind was at last safe form Serpent behavior. But then another problem developed. The Law of Justice was good only so long as the Jubilee was fully instituted. This equalized and maintained economic equality. But once it was dropped the BEAST was manifest.Rev.13;1 The beast is what is known as "bad government." When the law serves injustice, inequality and leads some people into captivity than in the Bible it is refered to as "The Beast." So Paul tells us that " the strength of Sin is in the Law." 1 Cor.15;56 When a man sins its "one thing", but when the ruling government sins it's the BEAST.

    The False Prophet arrives as the negetive counterpart of the Holy Spirit. About the Holy Spirit it is said that "he will lead you into all truth." Jn.16;19 But unfortunatly the False Prophet also offers attractive teachings to those who; don't yearn after righteousness. Today the False Prophet has instilled his avirice through the teaching of false profit. Capitalism has now reduce two thirds of the world to abject poverty and suffering. But the Beast says " it's O.K., because it's legal."

    The Serpent, the Beast and the False Prophet are simple to understand. But today the spirit of Antichrist clouds with illusion encouraging men to debate and debate about whether the beast is the U.N., or the Roman Church or even the E.U. There is no need to wonder. The Holy Spirit is with us here today. It is inside each and every one of us who follow Christ and can answer all our questions. So when the Bible speaks of the Serpent, it means the negetive vitality that suvival of the fittest brings. When it describes a Beast, his power comes from a negetive inversion of the law of Justice. But the False Prophet is the only one that can talk us into not believing in the Bible and Jesus Christ. dan b
     
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    So you're saying the "beast" is the legal system and the "false prophet" is capitalism, or free enterprise?

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    Who are the ones who insist that everyone follows the laws of Justice? They are the rich. If people began to steal then the rich would lose their overproportionate holdings. So the rich insist that we follow the Laws of an "eye for a eye and a tooth for a tooth." This way they can "legally" retain their advantage. But the poor can only get a better share by causing a revolution which is "illegal." In this case the beast is using the law to hold onto unequal wealth. In this case the law is used by the beast to multiply his power. Paul said that the strength of sin is in the Law. So this is what he meant.

    The Serpent can only use a foreward one pronged attack. But the beast has the law to magnify his power so that is why he is called a beast. It is in the consiousness of people to respect the law of justice. So once someone can get the law to work to uphold economic inequality then he has extra powerfull strength. In this way the rich get richer and leave the poor poorer. And this is done legally. When the Jubilee was discarded then the beast was manifest. Before the time of the law it was only strength and cunning trickery that enabled someone to take unfair advantage of others.

    The False prophet today is false profit. This goes along with the first beast who uses the inverted law. Rev.13;1 The second beast of Rev.13;10 still uses the inverted law for his advantage but also pretends to be Christian. That is why he is described as being as a "lamb." These two beasts of Rev.13 use the inverted laws of Moses and Jesus. When you apply this understanding to the beasts in Revelation you can understand them better and see their meanings. Today the beast and false prophet are already cast into the lake of fire. In other words the world will no longer be conned or fooled by them. Now the original Devil Serpent has only itself to do it's dirty work. And he is cast into the pit which is the world outside of European Christian Israel.
     
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    Just when I thought I'd seen it all, I then read this...Just where do you get these ideas?

    I posted on another thread earlier, before seeing this...
    I won't retype what I already did, but here's a portion of what I put up concerning the beasts yet to appear...
    I only put it up here because John claimed China to have the mark of the beast, which is not true...here's the reason:

    When the two beasts come, the one with the deadly wound, and the other with 2 horns like a lamb, consider this:
    "...and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshiped the dragon (the devil) which gave power unto the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? Who is able to war with him?" Rev. 13:3,4

    Now, "all the world" signifies that the beast will be universally "worshiped."
    Who here in the US, or anywhere else for that matter will worship a Muslim nation known for practicing terrorism (the use of violence upon the innocent to control by fear)?
    For this beast is a nation, not a man. Having had a deadly wound by a sword signifies war, and being the head signifies the leadership position of this beast is what sleeps now, not the body of the beast.
    "And it was given unto him to make war with the Saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth, shall wordhip him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the worl." Rev 13:7,8
    When this beast comes he will rule the entire world, the United States included. (Or will the US be taken out of the way first, as the Emperor was from Rome to make way for the Pope?)The world will not be what it is now.
    Now, from this I see any and all but the elect will worship this beast.
    There will be a final persecution unlike anything that has ever been in the world.
    And in my opinion (I have no conclusions made as of yet), it will be worldly Christians(Cain) against spiritual Christians...
    For it is the book of life that separates these two sides from each other.
    "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and spoke as a dragon." Rev. 13:11
    Here I find the final coming of the "man of sin," the Antichrist (which was a succession of men, not an individual, finally coming to a head, for this time). To have two horns like a lamb is to have the appearance of the humility of Christ (to wear his name as well), and to speak as a dragon is to act contrary to the image of a lamb.
    This beast will make an image of the first beast...as it is a universal figure, what can this be but the false Church of the Antichrist?
    For Paul tells the Thessalonians that there will be a "falling away" (apostasy) before the coming of the man of sin, or Antichrist, "Who opposeth and exalteth himself all that is called God, or that is worshiped: so that he as God, sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." 2 Thes. 2:3,4
    Now these thing here may not allow us to identify the beast, but it does show us clearly what the beast is not. China's gov. is athiest, so that excludes China. The Muslims would never dare try and claim to be "Allah" for the man who said that would be killed instantly by the people.
    By stating that he sitteth in the Temple of God, this shows us clearly he is a religious figure.
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    Well, if ever there were a falling away time, that time is among us.
    The US has more denominations than there are nations upon earth!
    One thing I didn't mention was this:
    Some I have heard think that the US is the Beast...that is not true either.
    Why? Because this country is hated around the world and it will never be able to win the hearts of the world.
    Also, the very Constitution would prevent the US from ever imposing a mandatory religion upon others, as will be done one day.
    And like I said, the US will one day be under the power of the beasts,
    or it will be gone by the time that day arrives.
    There will be no discussing of matters as we are now, on this forum.


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    Regardless of what one thinks on these things, it is clear the Beast will have universal control of the whole world. And it will be under the cloak of religion, with a religious figure(Antichrist) as its head, ruling the nations. It will not be by an atheist or Muslim nation or individual, but one wearing the colors of Christ, falsely.
     
  18. WinBySurrender

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    OK, that's all I wanted to know. Enjoy life, I'm outta here. :doh:
     
  19. dana b

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    "All the world wondered after the beast" because all humanity respects justice. The laws of justice are recongnizable by human sentiment. So everybody in the world recongnizes and respects fairness and justice. The legan system claims to uphold justice and fairness. But as the old man in Leo Tolstoy's third novel Resurrection said " why have you legally arranged that you own everything and then ask us to respect the law of justice and not steal? When there is economic inequality in the land and the legal national court condones it, then the beast of the bible is manifest.

    Both of the two beasts in Rev.13;1 and 10 use the legal laws of Economic commerce as their method of holding onto a very dissproportional amount of wealth and natural resorses of this world. That is why the Bible referrs to both of them as "beasts." If you don't take this into account you cannot fully understand what the book of Revelation is telling you.

    The second beast has two horns because his people say they are Christians. But again they use the legal system which the whole world respects to keep much of the world in dire poverty. Ships carry load after load of produce from third world fields to the Christian Countries and then return empty to get more. We are the beast when we are part of this legal scheme. The "world trade towers" burning and showing thier smoke to the ship captains in New York harbor is blatantly described in Rev.18. This occured when the millennium changed from the sixth to the seventh. At that time the Bible tells us that both the "beast" and the false prophet(media) would be cast into the lake of fire for evermore. Rev.19;20 From now on the people will no longer be under an economically corrupt govenment or believe in false media and advertising. The Beast and false prophet are today gone. Good ridance!

    But the Serpent stalks the world outside of European Christian Cultured countries. That is the pit.Rev.20;1 The everdegrading pit of survival of the fittest. The world of nature where men degrade themselves into lower and lower states of debauchery. The Bible speaks to us about what is acctually real in this world which God created. And when the thousand years are up, in 3000AD, those living in the world of nature, of which Christ said his kingdom is not, will be yanked up by the chain on their legs and stood to face the judgment. It says those non-Christians will be judged from the book according to their works during thier lives. But of the truly Christian, the ones who have become Jesus's "regeneration" their name are said to be written in another book by which they bypass the Resurrection of the Just and go on straight to heaven. Rev.20;12