Certificate of Debt

[Hammster]

Has the certificate of debt against you been canceled? If so, when did it happen?

 

[EmSw]

Has the certificate of debt against you been canceled? If so, when did it happen?

When a man genuinely repents and receives forgiveness.

Luke 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Here is the meaning of 'remission' from Strong's -

1. release from bondage or imprisonment
   
2. forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty
   

Jesus said this 'after' the cross.

 

[Hammster]

When a man genuinely repents and receives forgiveness.

Luke 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Here is the meaning of 'remission' from Strong's -

1. release from bondage or imprisonment
2. forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty

Jesus said this 'after' the cross.

So it didn't happen at the cross?

 

[EmSw]

So it didn't happen at the cross?

I just showed you that repentance and remission of sins was the commission Jesus gave AFTER THE CROSS. Why would anyone question that?

 

[Hammster]

I just showed you that repentance and remission of sins was the commission Jesus gave AFTER THE CROSS. Why would anyone question that?

I don't see where the certificate of debt is mentioned.

 

[EmSw]

I don't see where the certificate of debt is mentioned.

Did you find one nailed to the cross?

 

[DingDing]

So it didn't happen at the cross?

No. Not in an individual sense.

 

[BrianJK]

Has the certificate of debt against you been canceled? If so, when did it happen?

I believe Colossians speaks of such a cancelation. It says this:

He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.

It seems to be a corporate cancelation, effective upon the forgiveness of our sins.

That's how I read it at least.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Has the certificate of debt against you been canceled? If so, when did it happen?

The same time it was cancelled against you. The moment Jesus took his last breath on the altar where his blood flowed and covered all sins eternally and said, it is finished.

 

[DingDing]

I believe Colossians speaks of such a cancelation. It says this:

He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.

It seems to be a corporate cancelation, effective upon the forgiveness of our sins.

That's how I read it at least.

I agree. As it says in Matthew 1:21, "He will save His people from their sins." The question now becomes, who are His people? Are these random people picked from before the foundation of the world as some think, or are they those who approach and abide by faith? Jesus did save His people, but again, who are His people?

 

[Hammster]

I believe Colossians speaks of such a cancelation. It says this:

He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.

It seems to be a corporate cancelation, effective upon the forgiveness of our sins.

That's how I read it at least.

What do you see as the difference between canceling the debt and forgiveness of sins?

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

I agree. As it says in Matthew 1:21, "He will save His people from their sins." The question now becomes, who are His people? Are these random people picked from before the foundation of the world as some think, or are they those who approach and abide by faith? Jesus did save His people, but again, who are His people?

I would say everyone for whom his good news resonates as truth.

Jesus sent his Apostles out into all the world to deliver the gospel. All countries, all people, all cultural identities, were to be afforded the opportunity to hear the truth of God in Christ. By order of God himself.
All people are potentially his people. Those who receive the gospel are known to God. This doesn't mean God picked who would die in their sins and who would repent and receive eternal life and salvation. God simply knew who's heart would be open. And who's would not.

 

[Hammster]

The same time it was cancelled against you. The moment Jesus took his last breath on the altar where his blood flowed and covered all sins eternally and said, it is finished.

So all sins are forgiven?

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

So all sins are forgiven?

1 John 2:1–6; 1John 3:6–10; Romans 6:2

 

[BrianJK]

What do you see as the difference between canceling the debt and forgiveness of sins?

I see cancelation of debt as one aspect of the atonement Christ bought on calvary. I don't think one atonement theory has the monopoly.

 

[DingDing]

... God simply knew who's heart would be open. And who's would not.

By this statement, I don't think you really understand what BrianJK meant by "a corporate cancellation". (If he understands it as I do.) You are still thinking in an individual sense.

 

[DingDing]

So all sins are forgiven?

1 John 2:1–6; 1John 3:6–10; Romans 6:2

This is a non-answer. Anyone can quote verses without supplying interpretation.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

This is a non-answer. Anyone can quote verses without supplying interpretation.

No, it is an answer because Gods word was the question.
The verses interpret themselves.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

By this statement, I don't think you really understand what BrianJK meant by "a corporate cancellation". (If he understands it as I do.) You are still thinking in an individual sense.

By your remarks you don't appear to understand what corporate cancellation means. Or you'd have supplied a definition to support your claim against my observations.

 

[BrianJK]

I agree. As it says in Matthew 1:21, "He will save His people from their sins." The question now becomes, who are His people? Are these random people picked from before the foundation of the world as some think, or are they those who approach and abide by faith? Jesus did save His people, but again, who are His people?

Those are big questions. I think I'll reserve an overall explanation of my soteriology for elsewhere and, at least on this thread, stick to the topic, begging your pardon.

Perhaps if I say I'm more or less Wesleyan in my theology, that might give you an idea though.