California court declares it's illegal to assist minors struggling with LGBT

[RaphaCam]

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in San Francisco on August 23 upheld California’s wildly controversial Senate Bill 1172 that bars licensed counselors — including pastors — from assisting youth who want to change or reduce their same-sex attractions. The law also prohibits any counseling that would steer youth away from gender confusion. [...]

According to the law, “California has a compelling interest in protecting the physical and psychological well-being of minors, including lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender youth, and in protecting its minors against exposure to serious harms caused by sexual orientation change efforts … … Under no circumstances shall a mental health provider engage in sexual orientation change efforts with a patient under 18 years of age.”

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Pacific Justice Institute represents plaintiffs prohibited by SB 1172 from giving counsel to minors struggling with same-sex attractions and gender identity. SB 1172, signed into law by Governor Jerry Brown in September 2012, restricts mental health professionals from using “change therapy” as an option for helping minors. In December 2012, the United States District Court sided with Pacific Justice Institute by granting a preliminary injunction against SB 1172. However, the Ninth Circuit reversed that injunction in August 2013. At that time, the Ninth Circuit considered only these plaintiffs’ free speech claims. The court will now consider religious freedom and privacy implications of the law.

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[imind]

this is good news! research has shown this sort of "counseling" is ineffective at best and at worst can be harmful.

oh, and nice twist..."assist" them...lol

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

The churches won't allow this absurdity to stand in the way of their spiritual counseling. The law has no right to violate the separation principles in the Christian or religious realm itself.

Further, no court can ever state that a child will not come forward to a pastor or their parents or someone else, and say they don't like being homosexual. They don't like that they're being told they're transsexual when all that little girl really is is a tomboy.

Christians answer to a higher authority than a court that works for the world.

Let the court say this and churches obey and what's next for the churches?What else does the judges of this world think they can command of the people of God to abandon in their faith by man's law?

Hogwash.

 

[Armoured]

"With LGBT", like "with a disease"

 

[Armoured]

Shocked, SHOCKED, that pretending transgenderism isn't a thing is part of the schtik.

 

[RaphaCam]

"With LGBT", like "with a disease"

I originally wrote "with LGBT feelings", but either I deleted it accidentally or the forum cut it.

 

[Armoured]

I originally wrote "with LGBT feelings", but either I deleted it accidentally or the forum cut it.

I see. That's better, although I caution anyone against grouping LGBT together as though they are interchangeable.

 

[Cimorene]

this is good news! research has shown this sort of "counseling" is ineffective at best and at worst can be harmful.

oh, and nice twist..."assist" them...lol

Agreed. Good for Cali.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

It's very telling how Christians would think someone who is homosexual or trans conflicted would be better served having no counseling options available to them when they choose to seek it out themselves. Not even in churches according to this courts unconstitutional ruling. Very telling.

 

[RaphaCam]

We know too few about how different factors may influence sexual and romantic preferences for people to cheer over a fundamentally anti-Christian decision to curb how we Christians are still trying to deal with it. Conversion therapy seems to be a gigantic failure, but I fear we'll still need to err a lot to learn how properly aid the rapidly growing mass of people with LGBT feelings to adequately live a Christian life.

oh, and nice twist..."assist" them...

Why?

 

[Armoured]

It's very telling how Christians would think someone who is homosexual or trans conflicted would be better served having no counseling options available to them when they choose to seek it out themselves. Not even in churches according to this courts unconstitutional ruling. Very telling.

They "counselled" all they want.

 

[Armoured]

We know too few about how different factors may influence sexual and romantic preferences for people to cheer over a fundamentally anti-Christian decision to curb how we Christians are still trying to deal with it. Conversion therapy seems to be a gigantic failure, but I fear we'll still need to err a lot to learn how properly aid the rapidly growing mass of people with LGBT feelings to adequately live a Christian life.

Why?

What "rapidly growing mass"?

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

We know too few about how different factors may influence sexual and romantic preferences for people to cheer over a fundamentally anti-Christian decision to curb how we Christians are still trying to deal with it. Conversion therapy seems to be a gigantic failure, but I fear we'll still need to err a lot to learn how properly aid the rapidly growing mass of people with LGBT feelings to adequately live a Christian life.

Why?

It's sin. The adversarial perspective, the contrary behavior to what God created so as to further our species. Heterosexual sex. The human body isn't made for any other kind.
What isn't recognized by proponents of sin, like this court that thinks to command churches and vacate our first amendment protections and separations, is that not everyone who has ss attraction are happy of that.
And those who feel they're not in the right body are unhappy about that, and don't want to convert their outward appearance because of something gnawing at them from the inside.
And contrary to the beliefs some homosexual proponent groups who enter schools and attempt to persuade , legally mind you, children that would otherwise seek counsel for their feelings, that their feelings are OK and they should be pursued at all levels,not all children are happy feeling things for the same sex.
Nor are those little girls who dress as boys anything more than a Tomboy. And have no desire to renounce their femininity when they start to blossom and notice it is there.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

I just thought of this. This puts GLSEN out of business as far as its chapters in California are concerned.

 

[Armoured]

It's sin. The adversarial perspective, the contrary behavior to what God created so as to further our species. Heterosexual sex. The human body isn't made for any other kind.
What isn't recognized by proponents of sin, like this court that thinks to command churches and vacate our first amendment protections and separations, is that not everyone who has ss attraction are happy of that.
And those who feel they're not in the right body are unhappy about that, and don't want to convert their outward appearance because of something gnawing at them from the inside.
And contrary to the beliefs some homosexual proponent groups who enter schools and attempt to persuade , legally mind you, children that would otherwise seek counsel for their feelings, that their feelings are OK and they should be pursued at all levels,not all children are happy feeling things for the same sex.
Nor are those little girls who dress as boys anything more than a Tomboy. And have no desire to renounce their femininity when they start to blossom and notice it is there.

Where has anyone claimed anything different? Why are you so threatened by the idea of letting other people be who they are?

 

[RaphaCam]

What "rapidly growing mass"?

The mass of people who find themselves to be LGBT. We can't tell for sure if people were just supressing themselves "better" decades ago (which I doubt to be the only factor) but homosexuality and transexuality weren't as nearly as widespread.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Where has anyone claimed anything different?

You apparently have. As have others who agree with the courts decision while saying so from a Christian perspective.

Why are you so threatened by the idea of letting other people be who they are?

People who live in sin are threatened. Why are you opposed to the Gospel being available to counsel those lost ones to find their way to life?

 

[Armoured]

The mass of people who find themselves to be LGBT. We can't tell for sure if people were just supressing themselves "better" decades ago (which I doubt to be the only factor) but homosexuality and transexuality weren't as nearly as widespread.

Weren't publically acceptable and thus may have APPEARED not to be as wide spread. But that, by itself, is a bad way to form an opinion about how things used to be. I have seen no credible information to suggest rates of actual homosexuality have changed, have you?

 

[Armoured]

You apparently have. As have others who agree with the courts decision while saying so from a Christian perspective.
People who live in sin are threatened. Why are you opposed to the Gospel being available to counsel those lost ones to find their way to life?

How is the Gospel "not available "? You can share the Gospel with gay people all you want.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

How is the Gospel "not available "? You can share the Gospel with gay people all you want.

Oh, I hope all churches in California would disobey this judges unlawful order. Christians always shall spread the gospel.