As I said, I was hoping for guidelines of what you mean by passages "supporting ... sex acts." Something to use as a comparison for any passages someone wishing to take you up on your challenge might wish to post. Citing an entire chapter, most of which does not include any humans at all makes it hard to see what about the passage promotes any "sex acts."
I used the whole, as a point, that no where is there any support for same-gender sex. No support for anything the likes of which gays and their legions of supporters try to implement into scripture. And as we see below, you knew what I was referring to.
The problem is, I see no "sex acts" in Genesis 1. Assuming you are refering to Genesis 1:28, God saying "Be fruitful" is not "supporting sex acts,"
It is literally supporting sex acts. Many times over in fact. Jesus referred BACK to this, as he defined marriage as a man and a woman. And, immutably so. Adultery (eh hem) is a sex act.
t is using a discrete euphemism. If a discrete euphemism is allowed to "support" sex, then some people see similar euphemisms in 1 Samuel 16:22 (Saul and David) and 1 Samuel 20:41 (Jonathan and David).
There is nothing gay or vague in the love between David and Jonathan. The context of the entire relationship between the two drives away the notion that these two had sex with each other. I have shown this as fact. And I am certainly not alone on what David and Jonathan were.
I do not myself present these as equivalent to Genesis 1:28, because I do not know the specific idiomatic usage of the Hebrew that is claimed, but if someone else were to promote them, then you would have to accept or reject them on the basis of that idiom, not because it does not come right out and describe sex.
Multiplying indicates sex acts and only male to female sex. There is no idiomatic way around that.
Not just a whole chapter this time, but a whole book. Again it is difficult to determine to what, exactly you are referring, so that we may post something similar. And again, I can find no "sex acts" being "supported."
I am showing that there is no gay way of homosexualizing anything in the Bible. I have shown no fear of posting individual words or passages to prove that.
The most sex in the letter is happening between the man and his step-mother (1 Corinthians 5).
And is that not also quite "tolerated" and even supported by some people in today's world, as it was back then? That passage shows how far reaching the Apostolic testimony reaches. All the way to 2008 and beyond.
This is an example of sexual sin, not supported sex -- and even here, it is just the statement that fornication is happening -- no "sex acts" are spoken of.
Are you sure?
Noun
voluntary
sexual intercourse outside marriage
Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006
fornication - voluntary sexual intercourse between persons not married to each other
extramarital sex, free love - sexual intercourse between individuals who are not married to one another
2.fornication - extramarital sex that willfully and maliciously interferes with marriage relations; "adultery is often cited as grounds for divorce"
adultery, criminal conversation
extramarital sex, free love - sexual intercourse between individuals who are not married to one another[/quote]
"Marriage," to Christians, is a man and a woman. And, to Jesus and His Father too.
However I am assuming that you might be referring to 1 Corinthians 7:7-9. In this passage Paul recommends celibacy, but offers marriage as a solution to those who burn and cannot remain celibate. Again, direct mention of sex is avoided.
HUH? Uhhhh, I, I, I, umm uh?????? It is literally mentioning sex. Talk about idiomatic, how about plain and direct.
The only reason that we know that the Passion that those who burn feel is sexual passion is because celibacy, the recommended alternative is defined by the lack of sex.
Whew! You had me bewildered by your tact there for a moment.
If this is, indeed, the passage you intended to point us toward, then I present this same passage 1 Corinthians 7:7-9, combined with 1 Corinthians 10:13. God, through Paul, promises a way out of all temptation.
Yeah, "marriage." There is ONLY one kind of marriage in the New Testament this side of heaven.
He also says that it takes a gift from God to live a celibate life for the sake of the Gospel, provides the way out of the "temptation" of burning with sexual Passion for all who do not have that gift.
MARRIAGE! Marriage is between a man and a woman, no matter what euphemism or idiom you want to employ.
Funny, the only place I can find where "sex acts" are a "very public declaration" is 2 Samuel 16:22, where Absalom pitched A tent on the roof of David's house so that the entire city could see that he had sex with David's concubines.
"Pitched a tent?" Metaphor?
Are you forgetting the concubine in Judges?
No matter the grammar, there is no same-gender sex acts promoted or supported in the Bible.
This is hardly "loving, proper sex within a marriage," which is what I claimed the Bible always treats as private.
Indeed. Absalom was making a political statement and using sex acts to do it. He would be cheered on now as he was then, by the same kinds of people. Like one of his brothers would later write: "There is nothing new under the sun. And graphically so indeed.
]quote]Yes, it is true that because we know that people are sexual creatures, and because we know that, with only one known exception, conception is the result of sex, we know that almost all -- and possibly all without exception -- of the married couples introduced in the Bible have had sex.[/quote]
And? And that EVERY married couple were a man and a woman. And in some cases a man and several women. But never even once, same genders.
But the Bible does not describe their "sex acts" unless, like Onan (Genesis 38) their sin is in the act.
Let's leave poor Tamar out of this. But, unforunately, it does bring us to another place of sex for sex's sake. Tamar's father in law Jude, just wanted to boff, and was tricked by this woman into thinking she was a prostitute. Oh, and the sisters (metaphor, or maybe not) having X-rated sex in Ezekiel.
I did not present a "perspective to be weighed" in my previous post. I simply asked for guidelines so that if we choose to answer your challenge, our efforts will be judged fairly.
I always judge challenges fairly.
I do find it interesting that in your question to us, you specified that you were asking for examples of "sex acts," but when I turned the question around, your answers were vague and none of them referred directly to "sex acts."
I have no idea how to respond to that, seeing as you are completely ignoring the sex acts as the basis of the proper behavior being preached on in the NT.
Unless, of course I picked out the wrong verses because you chose to cite whole chapters and books without comment or explanation.
I'd be more than happy (as I have shown many times already) to post scripture examples.
EDITED TO ADD: I do thank you for your response, though. You are the only one of those on whom I turned the question back who even attempted to answer it and provide something as a fair basis for judjing any responses to the challenge..
You're welcome and thank you. I'm a heck of a nice guy, as you seem to be, and I have complete confidence in the works of the Apostles and the Hebrew Prophets, for the basis of my positions.
