Baring A Secretive Trump Vote, It Is All Over ....

[Basil the Great]

The polls are pretty consistent. Even the three most pro-Trump polls all year long, the LA Times, Rasmussen and Investor's Business Daily, all show Clinton up today by 1%. The other polls show gaps between 4% and 12%. Unless there is a significant hidden Trump vote out there that is not revealing itself in the polls, Clinton should win by a comfortable margin of from 4-10 points.

 

[pdudgeon]

The polls are pretty consistent. Even the three most pro-Trump polls all year long, the LA Times, Rasmussen and Investor's Business Daily, all show Clinton up today by 1%. The other polls show gaps between 4% and 12%. Unless there is a significant hidden Trump vote out there that is not revealing itself in the polls, Clinton should win by a comfortable margin of from 4-10 points.

LOL, wait for it....... latest poll out from Investor's Busness Daily shows Clinton ahead by .8 per cent, (they rounded up to make her look good) and that only in the NorthEast.

 

[stephen583]

Well I agree with the OP, and Trump for that matter. They whole process is rigged, especially by the mass media. Just look at how partisan the networks are behaving. All three networks re-air late night comedy talk show clips satirizing Donald Trump first thing every morning. How is that responsible journalism ? It's not.

This kind of political partisan journalism began with the first debate where Trump's wife was criticized by CBS moderators after the debate for having "worked as nearly nude European model and being a "trophy wife".

Now they are focusing their reports on Trump's alleged sexual assaults, while little is ever mentioned about the contradiction of Hillary's public and private policy positions. Nor has the press done much to inform the public these revelations about Hillary are not connected to suspect Wikileaks, but originated with a paid speech she gave.

The whole election process was over and done with before it even began. We might just as well have placed a crown on Hillary's head and anointed her Queen of America.

 

[stephen583]

Sad though, because now it looks like with Hillary as POTUS we're headed for a war with Russia, maybe a nuclear war many Americans won't survive.

Hillary got a pass on that one in the third debate from the moderator Chris Wallace when she delivered a scathing reproach against Russia over Syria and announced she would enforce a "No Fly Zone" over Syria and create a coalition force to attack Raqqa in Syria once she is elected president.

Absolutely no follow-up question from Chis Matthews, nor was Trump given any time to respond to Hillary starting a war with Russia. Apparently starting WWIII didn't rank very high with the presidential debate committee, Chis Matthews, or the networks (which didn't re-broadcast or comment on Hillary's threat of starting Armageddon).

Oh well. Guess we're all doomed.

 

[FenderTL5]

..especially by the mass media. Just look at how partisan the networks are behaving. All three networks re-air late night comedy talk show clips satirizing Donald Trump first thing every morning. How is that responsible journalism ? It's not.

This kind of political partisan journalism began with the first debate..

Donald Trump exploited the MSM from his initial announcement and going forward. What worked for him in the primaries has worked against him in the general election.

He chose to take advantage of the fact that the MSM will air anything as long as it is good for ratings. His campaign has basically been approaching the election as if it were a season of reality TV, where Ad counts are key and continues to do so.

Responsible journalism left the equation with deregulation and the end of the Fairness Doctrine in the 80s. The death knell rang in with the 1996 Telecommunications Act. The idea that media has a responsibility to do anything other than sell advertising and ensure a R.O.I. for their investors is a misunderstanding of the present state of the industry.

http://television.gdeltproject.org/cgi-bin/iatv_campaign2016/iatv_campaign2016

 

[wing2000]

Baring A Secretive Trump Vote, It Is All Over ....

Are not all votes secret?

 

[wing2000]

Sad though, because now it looks like with Hillary as POTUS we're headed for a war with Russia, maybe a nuclear war many Americans won't survive.

Hillary got a pass on that one in the third debate from the moderator Chris Wallace when she delivered a scathing reproach against Russia over Syria and announced she would enforce a "No Fly Zone" over Syria and create a coalition force to attack Raqqa in Syria once she is elected president.

Absolutely no follow-up question from Chis Matthews, nor was Trump given any time to respond to Hillary starting a war with Russia. Apparently starting WWIII didn't rank very high with the presidential debate committee, Chis Matthews, or the networks (which didn't re-broadcast or comment on Hillary's threat of starting Armageddon).

Oh well. Guess we're all doomed.

Or maybe Chris Wallace understands no President will unilaterally implement a no fly zone without an understanding with Russia...

 

[Belk]

Sad though, because now it looks like with Hillary as POTUS we're headed for a war with Russia, maybe a nuclear war many Americans won't survive.

Hillary got a pass on that one in the third debate from the moderator Chris Wallace when she delivered a scathing reproach against Russia over Syria and announced she would enforce a "No Fly Zone" over Syria and create a coalition force to attack Raqqa in Syria once she is elected president.

Absolutely no follow-up question from Chis Matthews, nor was Trump given any time to respond to Hillary starting a war with Russia. Apparently starting WWIII didn't rank very high with the presidential debate committee, Chis Matthews, or the networks (which didn't re-broadcast or comment on Hillary's threat of starting Armageddon).

Oh well. Guess we're all doomed.

Lets see, No fly zone over Syria leads directly to nuclear annihilation...

 

[stephen583]

Right now there is a Russian fleet arriving at the Syrian port of Tarsus which includes a flagship carrier and seven guided missile cruisers. They are joining ten other guided missile cruisers that arrived there two weeks ago and a Typhoon class ballistic submarine.

Russia has also been dramatically increasing the number of S-300 surface to air missile batteries in the last few weeks. The Russians have established several Electronic Counter Measure facilities on the mountain tops of Syria and are jamming satellite and drone surveillance by coalition forces and Israel over most of Syria.

Today the U.S. Director of Intelligence James Comey informed CBS News the Russians have a robust and sophisticated anti-aircraft system in place in Syria which is capable of shooting down our most advanced warplanes.

I think it's reasonable to assume Putin plans to beat Hillary Clinton to the punch on declaring a "No Fly Zone" over Syria, don't you ?

The Chinese have also recently sent ground troops to Syria, as well an aircraft carrier, which is currently conducting combat air missions against Aleppo.

The Russians have directed the families of all diplomats stationed overseas to return to Russia immediately. Putin has also warned citizens on Russian television to begin stockpiling two weeks of food and water in their homes in preparation for a war with America. Putin has stated publically on several occasions recently if Hillary Clinton is elected POTUS, it will mean war with Russia.

In 2015-2016 both the U.S. and Russia have resumed nuclear strategic bomber missions, and just this month the Russians test fired three ICBM missiles.

Russia has also moved a number of mobile intermediate range nuclear missiles into the Crimea on the Black Sea, and Kaliningrad which borders Poland and Lithuania.

I would estimate the probability of nuclear war is higher now than it ever was at any point during the previous Cold War era.

 

[Oafman]

At some point we need to call Putin's bluff. The more we turn a blind eye to his various crimes, and the more we try to appease him, the more crimes he will commit. Standing up to bullies is the only way to stop them.

 

[stephen583]

Frankly, I don't believe Putin is bluffing. He knows the Russian military is dated and can not prevail against America in a conventional war for more than a few weeks. Russian generals also acknowledge nuclear weapons will have to be used on the battlefield, and may succeed in cowering Europe and effectively freezing the front lines in any conflict with NATO when they are used.

Following up on this doctrine of "first use" Putin has directed Russian missile forces to expedite the deployment of smaller tactical nukes in the kilo ton range (often referred to as battlefield nukes) since 2015. The U.S. has also started deploying smaller warheads on its' intermediate range missiles as of 2016.

The deployment of these smaller battlefield nukes has only increased the probability nuclear weapons will be used by both the U.S. and Russia in a future conflict.

 

[Oafman]

The use of tactical nukes and strategic nukes are completely different things. Not even Putin is crazy enough to use the latter.

If we stand up to him, he'll stop. I support a no fly zone, but I recognise we will suffer losses enforcing it.

 

[Jack of Spades]

Frankly, I don't believe Putin is bluffing.

Putin appears to model his leadership after Soviet leaders, in many ways, and having that in mind, his boasting about nukes is practically a copy of Khruchevs foreign policy. Khruchev used to boast a lot with nukes and try to intimidate the west to give in for him, but when Kennedy took a stand, he backed off.

I think the case of Turks shooting down a Russian plane revealed the true feelings of Russian leadership. They know full well how powerful Nato is, but try to exploit any signs of weakness by putting up a huge show.

Russian current leadership also habitually uses intimidating rhetoric. Last year, when asked what Russia would do if Finland applied for a Nato membership, a Russian general answered that every city and military installation in Finland would become a target of a Russian nuclear strike. What he meant was likely "in an event of a nuclear war", but he worded it as if Russia would nuke Finland as soon as it joined Nato. It's their current rhetoric strategy to speak that way.

 

[stephen583]

Psychologically speaking, Putin knows he is fighting for his own survival. As long as he is perceived by the Russian people as creating a "Greater Russia" and resurrecting the glory of the former Soviet Union, the Russian people will support him, and put up with just about any hardship, or injustice. If he is seen as "backing down" on that promise.. It's curtains. So Putin is trapped into a desperate cycle of escalation.

Nowhere is this more evident than in the Eastern Mediterranean where Israel plans to build a natural gas pipeline from its' Leviathan natural gas fields in the Mediterranean to Turkey. Once completed, this project will break Russia's stranglehold of natural gas supplies to Europe, and its' curtains for Putin.

That explains why Putin is reinforcing Syria, garrisoning the port of Tarsus with seventeen warships, inviting Chinese ground, air and naval forces to Syria, and arming Hezbollah in Syria and Lebanon with the most advanced cruise missiles Russia has to offer which will soon be unleashed on the Israeli port of Haifa. Putin is staking his claim to the Eastern Mediterranean.. and if you expect he'll back down.. you're in for the biggest disappointment of your life, because he won't.

 

[Jack of Spades]

Putin is staking his claim to the Eastern Mediterranean.. and if you expect he'll back down.. you're in for the biggest disappointment of your life.

Okay, but what's the alternative? Ask Putin what he wants, and give that for him every time and hope he dies due to age before he gets to ask too much and hope that nobody with the same mindset would follow him on the throne?

 

[Oafman]

If only there were some historical example of the failure of appeasement which I could cite......

 

[stephen583]

As lately as two years ago, many Western politicians and those in Washington held to the same opinion. Putin was simply mirroring the Soviet "tough guys" of the old Cold War era and playing to a disgruntled Russian public.

No one seriously believes that anymore, especially not U.S. military experts. Even Hillary Clinton in this presidential campaign acknowledged the Russian "reset" was dead, and Putin was the "enemy of the United States" [End Quote].

 

[Jack of Spades]

As lately as two years ago, many Western politicians and those in Washington held to the same opinion. Putin was simply mirroring the Soviet "tough guys" of the old Cold War era and playing to a disgruntled Russian public.

That's not what I was referring to though. I was not referring to "speaking to his own public", but Kruschevs nuclear-threatening foreign policy. For example, during Suez crisis, he directly threatened to nuke London and Paris if the European powers wouldn't back off. That's just one example of many.

He was a real enemy of the west, but even so, he backed off when it got too risky.

 

[stephen583]

What's the alternative ? There is none. War between Russia and the United States is inevitable. War with China is inevitable. Nuclear war is now inevitable. Neither Russia nor China are going to back down.

 

[Oafman]

Steady on Stephen. We aren't anywhere near as close as we often were in the cold war days.