Are King David and Solomon prophets?

[Sammy-San]

They did receive messages from God that they wrote down to the people-psalms, and proverbs. Doesnt that technically make them prophets?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

'technically' ? what is the written definition ? or better, does Yhvh call them prophet?

quote biblegateway >

1. Numbers 11:29 - Bible Gateway - BibleGateway.com
   
   
   www.[B]biblegateway.com[/B]/verse/en/Numbers%2011%3A29 Cached29 And Moses said unto him, “Enviest thou for my sake? Would God that all the Lord ’S people were prophets, and that the Lord would put His Spirit upon them!”
   

 

[Sammy-San]

'technically' ? what is the written definition ? or better, does Yhvh call them prophet?

quote biblegateway >

1. Numbers 11:29 - Bible Gateway - BibleGateway.com
   
   
   www.[B]biblegateway.com[/B]/verse/en/Numbers%2011%3A29 Cached29 And Moses said unto him, “Enviest thou for my sake? Would God that all the Lord ’S people were prophets, and that the Lord would put His Spirit upon them!”
   

Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs-were written by David and Solomon, and they are a part of the Bible today. God used those two men and their writings as a part of the Bible-his message to mankind. Doesnt that make them prophets? Heres one definition of a prophet.

a person regarded as an inspired teacher or proclaimer of the will of God.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

that sounds like a humanistic or socialistic definition of a prophet, but if it's found in Scripture
then it is a good definition, in part.

solomon was , among men, 'the wisest' teacher of all, according to scripture and yhvh's gift to him,
but did he proclaim the will of yhvh elohim as yhvh did from heaven ?

other than perhaps a few times in scripture, if that many, did david teach?
did david proclaim the will of yhvh elohim in the same inspiriation/ direction from yhvh in heaven
as did elijah, elisha, jeremiah, isaiah , and/or the prophets in the New Testament?

Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs-were written by David and Solomon, and they are a part of the Bible today. God used those two men and their writings as a part of the Bible-his message to mankind. Doesnt that make them prophets? Heres one definition of a prophet.

"a person regarded as an inspired teacher or proclaimer of the will of God."

 

[BryanW92]

that sounds like a humanistic or socialistic definition of a prophet,

"a person regarded as an inspired teacher or proclaimer of the will of God."

I agree that it is a humanistic definition. Prophets are chosen by God and are often NOT regarded as such by those who can hear him. To say that a prophet is one who is "regarded as an inspired teacher" is the same humanist definition that reduces Jesus to being a mere prophet.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

as regarding 'humanistic' thank you , and for those who don't realize it,

'humanistic' ideology, theology, sociology, scientology and so on is not good

according to any Scripture. (nothing born of the flesh is 'good')*.....

* the one exception may be the sinless physical body prepared by Yahweh,
as Yahushua is and always has been Perfect.

I agree that it is a humanistic definition. Prophets are chosen by God and are often NOT regarded as such by those who can hear him. To say that a prophet is one who is "regarded as an inspired teacher" is the same humanist definition that reduces Jesus to being a mere prophet.

 

[Sammy-San]

I agree that it is a humanistic definition. Prophets are chosen by God and are often NOT regarded as such by those who can hear him. To say that a prophet is one who is "regarded as an inspired teacher" is the same humanist definition that reduces Jesus to being a mere prophet.

Would you consider David and Solomon prophets, since God chose them to give a message to humanity? They did write important parts of the Bible that had important teachings.

 

[Sammy-San]

that sounds like a humanistic or socialistic definition of a prophet, but if it's found in Scripture
then it is a good definition, in part.

solomon was , among men, 'the wisest' teacher of all, according to scripture and yhvh's gift to him,
but did he proclaim the will of yhvh elohim as yhvh did from heaven ?

other than perhaps a few times in scripture, if that many, did david teach?
did david proclaim the will of yhvh elohim in the same inspiriation/ direction from yhvh in heaven
as did elijah, elisha, jeremiah, isaiah , and/or the prophets in the New Testament?



"a person regarded as an inspired teacher or proclaimer of the will of God."

They did give wisdom to mankind that God spoke to them, in the form of some books of the Bible. Regardless if they preached to people directly or not, God still used them to the same effect. So how can you say they were not prophets?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

there are several prophets in Scripture, and they are identified, but I don't remember David nor Solomon being called nor identified as a prophet in Scripture.

They did give wisdom to mankind that God spoke to them, in the form of some books of the Bible. Regardless if they preached to people directly or not, God still used them to the same effect. So how can you say they were not prophets?

 

[Sammy-San]

there are several prophets in Scripture, and they are identified, but I don't remember David nor Solomon being called nor identified as a prophet in Scripture.

Jews include David and Solomon on their list of prophets. List of Jewish Prophets | Jewish Virtual Library

While Jews reject Christ, they still believe in the same OT Christians believe in.

 

[Lilly45]

Biblical scholars consider psalms and proverbs to be the wisdom literature part of the Bible. Many of the prophecies of the Messiah coming are in those books, so yes they could be considered prophets.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

a lot of the Jews accept the talmud as a kind of authority, which Yahushua rejects, and the ekklesia don't accept.

it looks like that is what the site you linked to uses, and therefore that doesn't count.

the Jews I know who are immersed in Yahushua do not accept the talmud any longer, if they ever did.

there is too much anti-Messiah and anti-truth in the talmud, so it is, as the spirit leads and as the Scripture says, best not to read nor study it, and especially not accept it as authoritative, being's as it is "the wisdom of man" and not of God.

Jews include David and Solomon on their list of prophets. List of Jewish Prophets | Jewish Virtual Library

While Jews reject Christ, they still believe in the same OT Christians believe in.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

whether they prophesied or not does not a prophet make, and the wisdom of Scripture also does not make them a prophet.(as that wasn't what defined a prophet.)

remember prophets were not popular, and are not popular today,
they were not accepted in their own country (David and Solomon were),
and are not accepted today in their own country,
exactly as Jesus says.

especially these days, anything and everything biblical scholars say or published is subject to testing to verify it is from Yhvh and in line with Torah, just exactly as it was in Jesus' days on earth and as He said.

Biblical scholars consider psalms and proverbs to be the wisdom literature part of the Bible. Many of the prophecies of the Messiah coming are in those books, so yes they could be considered prophets.

 

[Sammy-San]

a lot of the Jews accept the talmud as a kind of authority, which Yahushua rejects, and the ekklesia don't accept.

it looks like that is what the site you linked to uses, and therefore that doesn't count.

the Jews I know who are immersed in Yahushua do not accept the talmud any longer, if they ever did.

there is too much anti-Messiah and anti-truth in the talmud, so it is, as the spirit leads and as the Scripture says, best not to read nor study it, and especially not accept it as authoritative, being's as it is "the wisdom of man" and not of God.

What does the Talmud have anything to do with whether or not David or Solomon were prophets? The Judeo-Christian Bible mentions David and Solomon, not the Talmud.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

you posted a link that (looks like it) uses the talmud as an authority calling them prophets.. and even there one or more disputed that David belonged "on the list" of prophets.

David and Solomon are absolutely in Torah,Scripture.

What does the Talmud have anything to do with whether or not David or Solomon were prophets? The Judeo-Christian Bible mentions David and Solomon, not the Talmud.

 

[BryanW92]

the Jews I know who are immersed in Yahushua do not accept the talmud any longer, if they ever did.

 

[BryanW92]

remember prophets were not popular, and are not popular today,
they were not accepted in their own country (David and Solomon were),
and are not accepted today in their own country,
exactly as Jesus says..

Absolutely true! Just because someone said something that made it into the bible does not make them a prophet.

 

[Lilly45]

Well, they may not be prophets per se, but their works were certainly prophetical in many areas.

 

[Sammy-San]

Absolutely true! Just because someone said something that made it into the bible does not make them a prophet.

Then how are David and Solomon not prophets, since they conveyed a message from God to humanity, just like those who were traditionally viewed as prophets did?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Then how are David and Solomon not prophets, since they conveyed a message from God to humanity, just like those who were traditionally viewed as prophets did?

there seems to be a mix up you have seen here - or maybe it's too simple...

Solomon and David are not traditional viewed as prophets
by ekklesia (the set apart believers, Jews and gentiles immersed in Yahushua).

so why would someone in Christ Jesus think they are prophets?