You say she is saying "Yeshua is identifying Himself with the Father", but she actually said, " He is identifying Himself as the Father." She even put "Father" in bold. You can try and cover for Ellen, but her words are loud and clear without your added word "within" or "with".
In her article Ellen apparently bases her use of
"as" being synonymous with
"in" with most English translations reading
"in me" and
"in him" with the exception of the CJB that reads
"with me" and
"with the Father"
John 10:38 KJV
But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works:
that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me,
and I in him.
John 10:38 CJB
38 But if I am, then, even if you don’t trust me, trust the deeds;
so that you may understand once and for all that the Father is united with me, and I am united with the Father.”
John 10:30 translations:
"I and the Father are one" ...
"I and my Father are one" ...
"The Father and I are one"
Ellen's choice of
"as" is supported by translations in Isaiah 9:5(6) ...
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) ...
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Isaiah 9:6 (YLT)
For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on his shoulder, And He doth call his name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God,
Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:5(6) (CJB)
For a child is born to us, a son is given to us; dominion will rest on his shoulders, and he will be given the name Pele-Yo‘etz El Gibbor Avi-‘Ad Sar-Shalom [Wonder of a Counselor, Mighty God,
Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace]
Yeshayah 9:6 (OJB)
For unto us a yeled is born, unto us ben is given; and the misrah (dominion) shall be upon his shoulder; and Shmo shall be called Peleh (Wonderful), Yoetz (Counsellor), El Gibbor (Mighty G-d),
Avi Ad (Possessor of Eternity), Sar Shalom (Prince of Peace).
Further down in the same article (
http://www.lightofmashiach.org/one.html ) she writes,
"Yeshua is the Father as well as the Son" and "It is clear that Yeshua is not relegated Scripturally to only being the Son, the second person of the godhead, but that Yeshua is the Father too!"
Again, Ellen apparently supports her use of
"as" with her interpretation of passages like Isaiah 9:6, Exodus 33:11, and several passages recorded by the Apostle John.
Exodus 33:11
Adonai would speak to Moshe face to face, as a man speaks to his friend
.
John 1:18 CJB
No one has ever seen God; but the only and unique Son, who is identical with God and is at the Father’s side — he has made him known.
John 3:11 CJB
11 Yes, indeed! I tell you that what
we speak about,
we know; and what
we give evidence of,
we have seen; but
you people don’t accept our evidence!
John 10:30 CJB
I and the Father are one.
John 10:38 CJB
38 But if I am, then, even if you don’t trust me, trust the deeds;
so that you may understand once and for all that the Father is united with me, and I am united with the Father.”
John 10:38 KJV
But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that
the Father is in me,
and I in him.
John 14:6-7 CJB
6 Yeshua said, “I AM the Way — and the Truth and the Life;
no one comes to the Father except through me.
7 Because you have known me, you will also know my Father; from now on, you do know him —
in fact, you have seen him.”
John 14:8-11 CJB
8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it will be enough for us.”
9 Yeshua replied to him, “Have I been with you so long without your knowing me, Philip?
Whoever has seen me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
10 Don’t you believe that I am united with the Father, and the Father united with me? What I am telling you, I am not saying on my own initiative;
the Father living in me is doing his own works.
11
Trust me, that I am united with the Father, and the Father united with me.
I agree that the above passages are truthful.
HalleluYah! So you agree that the Father is united with-in Mashiach Yeshua and Mashiach Yeshua is united with-in the Father.
I may be the only one bold enough to speak up, but there are others out there that believe just like me.
Even if there were *no others, that makes no difference. I know what the Spirit has taught and I know how to refute what is false.
However, you do believe that Mashiach Yeshua represents the manifest visible presence of the Godhead.
Colossians 2:9 ~ For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
Would be interested in your take on a couple questions. Not necessary to debate or argue if we don't agree, but am sincerely interested in your perspective.
Question One: In light of John 1:18 some MJs believe that "Adonai" in Exodus 33:11 (listed above) is the visible manifest presence of God made known by him (Son of God). How do you explain the KJV, NASB, AMP, NLT, CJB translations that all give credence to not only Ellen ("as"), but also other MJs that believe the only begotten Son is the visible manifestation of Father God?
John 1:18 KJV
No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
John 1:18 NASB
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
John 1:18 AMP
No one has seen God [His essence, His divine nature] at any time; the [One and] only begotten God [that is, the unique Son] who is in the intimate presence of the Father, He has explained Him [and interpreted and revealed the awesome wonder of the Father].
John 1:18 NLT
No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father’s heart. He has revealed God to us.
John 1:18 CJB
No one has ever seen God; but the only and unique Son, who is identical with God and is at the Father’s side — he has made him known.
Question Two: You say it is possible that *no others may agree exactly with your interpretation of these scripture passages. How is it that you believe the Holy Spirit reveals the correct interpretation and understanding of the Godhead to you and few others; while many more MJs believe that the Holy Spirit has revealed to them that Mashiach Yeshua is the manifest presence of Father God?