Archaeology Evidence for Biblical Figures.

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John Wesley preached a sermon on this. How does God bring someone back together if they have been cremated and their ashes scattered to the wind or the current in the ocean. Of what about cannibalism. They actually thought all that stuff through that God is able to raise them from the dead.

Yes, I'm sure they "thought all that stuff through"....! And then made up a convenient explanation that preserves their unfounded belief.......

You do realise that this has been the 'script' for Christianity down through the ages?

Don't like slavery? Fine, we'll find an alternate means of interpreting the text.
Worried about hell? That's ok, we'll do away with it. Or we'll modify it.
Embarrassed by the errors? No problem; if you just hold your Bible this way and squint a little, the errors magically disappear.....
 
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There are huge, huge, huge amounts of evidence for the Ark and Noah. He saved the whole ecosystem of domesticated plants and animals. If it were not for Noah farming would not have been able to spread from the Middle East to Europe and the rest of the world. Look and you will see how much of the food we eat here in America came from the Fertile Crescent in the Middle East. What we call ancient Mesopotamia in the Tigris Euphrates River Valley. Noah may have had a boat but he was the first to invent meals on wheels. Some people say he invented beer also. No doubt they had wine.

Of course you are not willing to devote your life to doing research on the subject. So really if your not willing to study the subject at all then you have nothing to contribute to the conversation.

Where is this evidence?

You certainly haven't presented any.
 
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We are talking about the development of farming in Ancient Mesopotamia and how farming spread to Europe from there. This is when wild plants became domesticated. In biology this is known as botany. Professor Mark Nathan Cohen has written a book about this subject. This is all very intense and very involved with a lot of artifacts to examine and a lot of different theories to consider. In fact the whole Bible revolves around the story of ancient man going from a food gather to a food producer. AS Adam in the Bible was the first to plow the land.

"Agriculture began independently in different parts of the globe, and included a diverse range of taxa. At least 11 separate regions of the Old and New World were involved as independent centers of origin.[11] Some of the earliest known domestications were of animals. Pigs were domesticated in Mesopotamia around 13,000 BC.[12]Sheep were domesticated in Mesopotamia between 11,000 and 9,000 BC.[13] Cattle were domesticated from the wild aurochs in the areas of modern Turkey and Pakistan around 8,500 BC.[14]


Centres of origin identified by Nikolai Vavilov in the 1930s. Papua New Guinea (not shaded) was identified more recently.[15]
It was not until after 9500 bc that the eight so-called founder crops of agriculture appear: first emmer and einkorn wheat, then hulled barley, peas, lentils, bitter vetch,chick peas and flax. These eight crops occur more or less simultaneously on Pre-Pottery Neolithic B (PPNB) sites in the Levant, although wheat was the first to be grown and harvested on a significant scale. At around the same time (9400 bc), parthenocarpic fig trees were domesticated.[16][17]

By 7000 bc, sowing and harvesting reached the fertile soil of Mesopotamia, where Sumerians systematized it and scaled it up. By 8000 bc, farming was entrenched on the banks of the River Nile. About this time, agriculture was developed independently in the Far East, probably in China, with rice rather than wheat as the primary crop. Maize was domesticated from the wild grass teosinte in West Mexico by 6700 bc.[18] The potato (8,000 BC), tomato,[19] pepper(4,000 BC), squash (8,000 BC) and several varieties of bean (8,000 BC onwards) were domesticated in the New World.[20] Agriculture was independently developed on the island of New Guinea.[21] In Greece from c. 11,000 bc lentils, vetch, pistachios, and almonds were cultivated, while wild oats and wild barley appear in quantity from c. 7000 bc alongside einkorn wheat, barley, sheep, goats and pigs,[22][23] while emmer was used on Cyprus between 9100 and 8600 bc.[24][25] Archaeological evidence from various sites on the Iberian peninsula suggest the domestication of plants and animals between 6000 and 4500 bc.[25] Céide Fields in Ireland, consisting of extensive tracts of land enclosed by stone walls, date to 3500 bc and are the oldest known field systems in the world.[26][27] The horse was domesticated in the Pontic steppe around 4000 bc.[28] In Siberia, Cannabis was in use in China in Neolithic times and may have been domesticated there; it was in use both as a fibre for ropemaking and as a medicine in Ancient Egypt by about 2350 BC.[29]" wiki

How many times do we have to go through this?

You have presented evidence for the spread of agriculture, which we are all aware of by now.

Have you got any evidence for the existence of Noah or his supposed ark or not? When did this catastrophic flood occur?

Where have you demonstrated that 'Adam' first ploughed the land? What date did he do this exactly?

All you are doing is looking at the history of the neolithic on wikipedia and claiming "ooh, that must have been Adam!", "that must have been Noah!". There is absolutely no evidence to link the two.
 
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Your the one that has a boat that is not seaworthy and will not float to keep you safe when the storms come your way. You keep mocking Noah so I know that your not going to make it through the storm.

When you are done talking metaphorical thrash talk, and actually are ready to address the seaworthiness of this big boat, we can continue the conversation.
 
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How many times do we have to go through this?

You have presented evidence for the spread of agriculture, which we are all aware of by now.

Have you got any evidence for the existence of Noah or his supposed ark or not? When did this catastrophic flood occur?

Where have you demonstrated that 'Adam' first ploughed the land? What date did he do this exactly?

All you are doing is looking at the history of the neolithic on wikipedia and claiming "ooh, that must have been Adam!", "that must have been Noah!". There is absolutely no evidence to link the two.

Obviously, his evidence is that he believes it. :)
 
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Obviously, his evidence is that he believes it. :)
YOU said the boat could not be built and they built it. So you need to admit you were wrong. Of course you will continue to MOCK Noah right up to the end. Just like the people did in his day and age. Only then the world was cleansed with water and now the world will be cleansed with fire. So the things you say are just a fulfillment of prophecy. 2,000 years ago the Disciples told us exactly what you would be saying at this time in this day and age.

"Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then the end will come". matthew 24:14

"26 Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man: 27People were eating and drinking,marrying and being given in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all." Luke
 
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When did this catastrophic flood occur?

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Where have you demonstrated that 'Adam' first ploughed the land? What date did he do this exactly?
"Meanwhile farming spread from the Middle East to Europe. By about 4,000 BC people in central Europe were using oxen to pull plows and wagons. About the same time people in the Middle East began using donkeys as beasts of burden. Also about 4,000 BC horses were domesticated on the steppes of Eurasia."

http://www.localhistories.org/farming.html

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All that graph illustrates is how mistaken you are - as your post detailing the spread of agriculture shows, the time lines are completely off.
You asked when the plow was invented and you asked when Noah's flood was. Agriculture was progressive and began as far back as 13,000 years ago when the Ice age came to an end. Actually pottery goes back 20,000 years and they have found ancient grains that old. They find fishing hooks and sowing needles that goes back about 35,000 years. Even today inventions have an inventor that lived at one time and one place. Look at the wheel for example. The assyrians were the first to not only invent the wheel but domesticate the horse to pull their war chariot. They got into a war with Egypt and they won that war. Soon after that the Egyptian army began to use chariots and they began to win a lot more wars. So we can trace the wheel and the war chariot from Assyria to Egypt using Egyptian Hieroglyphics.

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Obviously, his evidence is that he believes it. :)
I have studied this subject for over 50 years now. There is plenty of evidence of when agriculture began because people went from hunter gathers to food producers and they began to build cities. Going back to 1930 a man named Breasted did a huge about of research and he came up with a huge amount of artifacts. All of archeology confirms that the Bible is 100% accurate and true. You should do a little research.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Henry_Breasted

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Going back to 1930 a man named Breasted did a huge about of research and he came up with a huge amount of artifacts. All of archeology confirms that the Bible is 100% accurate and true. You should do a little research.

Archeology has shown most of the stories in the first few books of the Bibles to not have literally happened. That been the clear result of hundreds of digs involving thousands of archeologists, Bible scholars and historians over the last century. It's funny how this just came up in another thread. There have been some finds that confirm some of the people named in the later OT books did exist, but much of the material at the start (Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, etc.) is just legend.

For instance:

(repeat) ************************************************************

There has been a ton of archeological work looking into the events described in Exodus. The evidence is clear that the whole exodus story never happened. Biblical archeologists and historians have agreed on this for at least 20 years. There were plenty of expectations a century ago that archeology would confirm the stories in the first books of the Bibles, but as the evidence piled up, it soon became clear that it didn't happen as described in the Bibles. Some basic and well supported facts we now know:

  • The Jews were never enslaved in Egypt - instead, they developed from earlier Canaanites, and never had to "conquer" the land they always had.
  • There is no evidence that Moses ever existed outside of legend, like Hercules.
  • No Egyptian records support the enslavement of the Hebrews, or any other Biblical story - and the Egyptians have good records.
  • No Egyptian records support the drowning of their army in the red sea, or any other Biblical story - and the Egyptians have good records.
  • Jericho has been studied extensively with massive digs and archeological testing - the Biblical story does not appear to have happened. In fact, the famed walls of Jericho were destroyed by the Egyptian army centuries before the Hebrew mythology was supposed to have happened.

and so on.

This is the consensus view of Biblical archeological historians. Some examples:
The other videos by Dr. Finkelstein in that same series are also useful.

The word of God contains His message for us, and it's clear from archeology that the message isn't literal history, but rather telling us how he chooses people. Like biology, and geology, this is another area where failing to understand what the experts have found (such as the Biblical archeologists) only makes us look less credible.

In Christ-

Papias
 
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I have studied this subject for over 50 years now. There is plenty of evidence of when agriculture began because people went from hunter gathers to food producers and they began to build cities. Going back to 1930 a man named Breasted did a huge about of research and he came up with a huge amount of artifacts. All of archeology confirms that the Bible is 100% accurate and true. You should do a little research.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Henry_Breasted

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Maybe you should study it a little longer, without the blinders on.
 
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Archeology has shown most of the stories in the first few books of the Bibles to not have literally happened. That been the clear result of hundreds of digs involving thousands of archeologists, Bible scholars and historians over the last century. It's funny how this just came up in another thread. There have been some finds that confirm some of the people named in the later OT books did exist, but much of the material at the start (Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, etc.) is just legend.

For instance:

(repeat) ************************************************************

There has been a ton of archeological work looking into the events described in Exodus. The evidence is clear that the whole exodus story never happened. Biblical archeologists and historians have agreed on this for at least 20 years. There were plenty of expectations a century ago that archeology would confirm the stories in the first books of the Bibles, but as the evidence piled up, it soon became clear that it didn't happen as described in the Bibles. Some basic and well supported facts we now know:

  • The Jews were never enslaved in Egypt - instead, they developed from earlier Canaanites, and never had to "conquer" the land they always had.
  • There is no evidence that Moses ever existed outside of legend, like Hercules.
  • No Egyptian records support the enslavement of the Hebrews, or any other Biblical story - and the Egyptians have good records.
  • No Egyptian records support the drowning of their army in the red sea, or any other Biblical story - and the Egyptians have good records.
  • Jericho has been studied extensively with massive digs and archeological testing - the Biblical story does not appear to have happened. In fact, the famed walls of Jericho were destroyed by the Egyptian army centuries before the Hebrew mythology was supposed to have happened.

and so on.

This is the consensus view of Biblical archeological historians. Some examples:
The other videos by Dr. Finkelstein in that same series are also useful.

The word of God contains His message for us, and it's clear from archeology that the message isn't literal history, but rather telling us how he chooses people. Like biology, and geology, this is another area where failing to understand what the experts have found (such as the Biblical archeologists) only makes us look less credible.

In Christ-

Papias
Wow I did not know they allowed this sort of revisionism in the Catholic Church.
 
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YOU said the boat could not be built and they built it. So you need to admit you were wrong. Of course you will continue to MOCK Noah right up to the end. Just like the people did in his day and age. Only then the world was cleansed with water and now the world will be cleansed with fire. So the things you say are just a fulfillment of prophecy. 2,000 years ago the Disciples told us exactly what you would be saying at this time in this day and age.

"Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then the end will come". matthew 24:14

"26 Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man: 27People were eating and drinking,marrying and being given in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all." Luke

Can you please show me the verses where Noah was mocked while building the ark?
 
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Can you please show me the verses where Noah was mocked while building the ark?
This is in 2 Peter 3:3 where the New American Standard Bible uses the word mockers. Other translations use the word scoffers. "Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts," Luke and Matthew tells us: "As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man." (Matthew 24:37) Also Peter tells us that: "Noah, a preacher of righteousness".

So we join these two verses together: As it was in the days of Noah + mockers will come with their mocking.
 
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