Archaeology Evidence for Biblical Figures.

[SteveB28]

The resurrection is physical. Our physical body is going to be raised from the dead. Those of us that are still alive will be transformed in a moment in an instant of time. If we have a part in the resurrection then the resurrection power of God is already at work in us.

Bloody heck.....it's going to be a messy resurrection for those who met their death by being hit by a bus!

And let's not even consider all those beheadings...........

 

[joshua 1 9]

Bloody heck.....it's going to be a messy resurrection for those who met their death by being hit by a bus! And let's not even consider all those beheadings...........

John Wesley preached a sermon on this. How does God bring someone back together if they have been cremated and their ashes scattered to the wind or the current in the ocean. Of what about cannibalism. They actually thought all that stuff through that God is able to raise them from the dead.

 

[joshua 1 9]

And if this boat turns out to not be sea worthy

This lie has been going on for way to long. Give it up. The KY boat was actually built to code using metal brackets, but the old fashion way of mortise and tenor is just as strong, just a lot more labor intense. You can believe what you want though because I do not care. My family and I know the truth and that is all that matters.

choose you this day whom ye will serve; as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. Joshua 24:15

 

[DogmaHunter]

This lie has been going on for way to long.

A "lie"? A lie is when you say something that you know isn't true.
That is not what I did, so it is most definatly not a "lie".

At best, I'ld be simply mistaken.

And if that's the case, it should be easy to demonstrate.

So please, share the evidence that proves that this thing is sea worthy and can take a hit or two from the average sea storm.

Won't be holding my breath though.

 

[joshua 1 9]

A "lie"?

Yes, the lie that to boat don't float and that it could not have been built. Maybe your boat don't float but ours does. So I do not blame you if you do not trust in the boat that your trusting in to get you though the storms.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Yes, the lie that to boat don't float and that it could not have been built. Maybe your boat don't float but ours does. So I do not blame you if you do not trust in the boat that your trusting in to get you though the storms.

Aparantly, you don't understand what is meant by the term "seaworthy".

It's one thing to build a boat and call it a "boat". It's quite another to then take it out for a test drive.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Aparantly, you don't understand what is meant by the term "seaworthy".

Your the one that has a boat that is not seaworthy and will not float to keep you safe when the storms come your way. You keep mocking Noah so I know that your not going to make it through the storm.

 

[Jimmy D]

Your the one that has a boat that is not seaworthy and will not float to keep you safe when the storms come your way. You keep mocking Noah so I know that your not going to make it through the storm.

But Noah's story is fictional.

(I notice on the OP he isn't included on your list.)

 

[Papias]

and given the fact that Jesus has no descendants to compare DNA etc.

wouldn't it be really, really easy by DNA? Wouldn't Jesus only have one copy of each chromosome, instead of two, like the rest of us? And his Y chromosome would be, well, unbelievable.........

Or maybe he'd have a second of each pair, and those would lack every single ERV, with other massive differences due to the fabrication from scratch - nearly all pseudogenes would be gone, not broken, nonfuctional copy of GULOP, etc.

Papias

 

[joshua 1 9]

But Noah's story is fictional.

Noah was a real person and the Ark was a real boat. The story is still an allegory. I think that perhaps your are getting allegory mixed up with fiction. They may look the same to you but they are different and not the same. Fraud worked off of what he called archetypes and this is how you deal with greek literature. But if your want to study ancient Hebrew writings then you need a different approach then you were taught to use with ancient Greek writings.

 

[Picky Picky]

Noah was a real person and the Ark was a real boat. The story is still an allegory. I think that perhaps your are getting allegory mixed up with fiction. They may look the same to you but they are different and not the same. Fraud worked off of what he called archetypes and this is how you deal with greek literature. But if your want to study ancient Hebrew writings then you need a different approach then you were taught to use with ancient Greek writings.

I think Jung was the chap who was heavily into archetypes. I like your Fraud typo, by the way: some incline to think that's true.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Wouldn't Jesus only have one copy of each chromosome, instead of two

Mary was considered to be a mother and not surrogate. They believe that God used her DNA. God would have had to be her husband and supply the Y chromosome and the rest of the DNA.

 

[Jimmy D]

Noah was a real person and the Ark was a real boat.

Archaeological evidence for biblical figures?

Noah.... zero.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I think Jung was the chap who was heavily into archetypes. I like your Fraud typo, by the way: some incline to think that's true.

Yep, my dad was real heavy into Dr Fraud and Dr Spook. Of course we an cot forget Skinner and his Skinner box. They were all very popular back then. I do not think he ever studied Jung but I have. Freud BTW was addicted to Cocaine. My aunt had a PhD in Psychology and she did not know that. So I suppose they do not teach that to people at the university.

 

[Goonie]

wouldn't it be really, really easy by DNA? Wouldn't Jesus only have one copy of each chromosome, instead of two, like the rest of us? And his Y chromosome would be, well, unbelievable.........

Or maybe he'd have a second of each pair, and those would lack every single ERV, with other massive differences due to the fabrication from scratch - nearly all pseudogenes would be gone, not broken, nonfuctional copy of GULOP, etc.

Papias

good point, if the skeleton dated right, had those distinctive features of DNA it would probably demonstrate the historicity of Jesus, his unusual birth etc, though serious questions would have to be asked about that whole resurrection thing.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Archaeological evidence for biblical figures?

There are huge, huge, huge amounts of evidence for the Ark and Noah. He saved the whole ecosystem of domesticated plants and animals. If it were not for Noah farming would not have been able to spread from the Middle East to Europe and the rest of the world. Look and you will see how much of the food we eat here in America came from the Fertile Crescent in the Middle East. What we call ancient Mesopotamia in the Tigris Euphrates River Valley. Noah may have had a boat but he was the first to invent meals on wheels. Some people say he invented beer also. No doubt they had wine.

Of course you are not willing to devote your life to doing research on the subject. So really if your not willing to study the subject at all then you have nothing to contribute to the conversation.

 

[joshua 1 9]

good point, if the skeleton dated right, had those distinctive features of DNA it would probably demonstrate the historicity of Jesus, his unusual birth etc, though serious questions would have to be asked about that whole resurrection thing.

"Human DNA has been isolated from the Shroud of Turin, although the results remain rather limited and controversial. Indeed, it is unknown if such DNA truly originates from blood cells present on the cloth or is the result of contamination from exogenous sources."

Even though: "It is now feasible to obtain sequence data from a single DNA molecule (even without amplification), something that was unprecedented as recently as 10-15 years ago."

https://www.shroud.com/pdfs/kearse3.pdf

 

[Ophiolite]

There are huge, huge, huge amounts of evidence for the Ark and Noah. He saved the whole ecosystem of domesticated plants and animals. If it were not for Noah farming would not have been able to spread from the Middle East to Europe and the rest of the world. Look and you will see how much of the food we eat here in America came from the Fertile Crescent in the Middle East. What we call ancient Mesopotamia in the Tigris Euphrates River Valley. Noah may have had a boat but he was the first to invent meals on wheels. Some people say he invented beer also. No doubt they had wine.

Of course you are not willing to devote your life to doing research on the subject. So really if your not willing to study the subject at all then you have nothing to contribute to the conversation.

Since you have taken the time to study it perhaps you will share some of that study with us.

Specifically what actual evidence do you have that Noah saved the whole ecosystem of domesticated plants and animals?
Just a hint: if your evidence is the Bible story, I've already done that part of the study. It's the more ind depth stuff I am looking for from you.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Since you have taken the time to study it perhaps you will share some of that study with us.

We are talking about the development of farming in Ancient Mesopotamia and how farming spread to Europe from there. This is when wild plants became domesticated. In biology this is known as botany. Professor Mark Nathan Cohen has written a book about this subject. This is all very intense and very involved with a lot of artifacts to examine and a lot of different theories to consider. In fact the whole Bible revolves around the story of ancient man going from a food gather to a food producer. AS Adam in the Bible was the first to plow the land.

"Agriculture began independently in different parts of the globe, and included a diverse range of taxa. At least 11 separate regions of the Old and New World were involved as independent centers of origin.[11] Some of the earliest known domestications were of animals. Pigs were domesticated in Mesopotamia around 13,000 BC.[12]Sheep were domesticated in Mesopotamia between 11,000 and 9,000 BC.[13] Cattle were domesticated from the wild aurochs in the areas of modern Turkey and Pakistan around 8,500 BC.[14]


Centres of origin identified by Nikolai Vavilov in the 1930s. Papua New Guinea (not shaded) was identified more recently.[15]
It was not until after 9500 bc that the eight so-called founder crops of agriculture appear: first emmer and einkorn wheat, then hulled barley, peas, lentils, bitter vetch,chick peas and flax. These eight crops occur more or less simultaneously on Pre-Pottery Neolithic B (PPNB) sites in the Levant, although wheat was the first to be grown and harvested on a significant scale. At around the same time (9400 bc), parthenocarpic fig trees were domesticated.[16][17]

By 7000 bc, sowing and harvesting reached the fertile soil of Mesopotamia, where Sumerians systematized it and scaled it up. By 8000 bc, farming was entrenched on the banks of the River Nile. About this time, agriculture was developed independently in the Far East, probably in China, with rice rather than wheat as the primary crop. Maize was domesticated from the wild grass teosinte in West Mexico by 6700 bc.[18] The potato (8,000 BC), tomato,[19] pepper(4,000 BC), squash (8,000 BC) and several varieties of bean (8,000 BC onwards) were domesticated in the New World.[20] Agriculture was independently developed on the island of New Guinea.[21] In Greece from c. 11,000 bc lentils, vetch, pistachios, and almonds were cultivated, while wild oats and wild barley appear in quantity from c. 7000 bc alongside einkorn wheat, barley, sheep, goats and pigs,[22][23] while emmer was used on Cyprus between 9100 and 8600 bc.[24][25] Archaeological evidence from various sites on the Iberian peninsula suggest the domestication of plants and animals between 6000 and 4500 bc.[25] Céide Fields in Ireland, consisting of extensive tracts of land enclosed by stone walls, date to 3500 bc and are the oldest known field systems in the world.[26][27] The horse was domesticated in the Pontic steppe around 4000 bc.[28] In Siberia, Cannabis was in use in China in Neolithic times and may have been domesticated there; it was in use both as a fibre for ropemaking and as a medicine in Ancient Egypt by about 2350 BC.[29]" wiki

 

[Ophiolite]

I am familiar with a substantial amount of this work. Please get to the bit where you demonstrate that Noah saved the whole ecosystem of domesticated plants and animals? That was specifically what I asked you about.