I truly believe that eating kosher has given me the health and radiance of someone ten years younger than myself. Since my body has not had to fight as much pollution and toxins that the unclean diet gives, it is better preserved.
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Any Kosher Christians?
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the OP (years ago!) posted this:
since this thread was resurrected it should be made clear that the separation of meat and dairy is a purely rabbinical tradition and not a command of Torah. The Torah command is to not boil a kid in its mother's milk. Literally.
since this thread was resurrected it should be made clear that the separation of meat and dairy is a purely rabbinical tradition and not a command of Torah. The Torah command is to not boil a kid in its mother's milk. Literally.
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We are suppose to eat kosher, Jesus never said he purified the foods! That was added in by translators! You should read the LITV
(The Literal Translation Of The Holy Bible), it will have the exact words with nothing added by translators, this is what I suggest:
goto google and search "The Literal Translation Of The Holy Bible"
Now let's take a look at the KJV (King James Version Of The Holy Bible) compared to the LITV the literal version(with nothing added to it).
the statement of Jesus in Mark 7:1-23 was not talking about abolishing these rules of God but about the character and spirituality of a Christian.
[BIBLE]
KJV
"Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? 19For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")
20He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' 21For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean.' " (Mk.7:18-23).[/BIBLE]
[BIBLE]
LITV
18 And He said to them, Are you also so undiscerning? Do you not perceive that all that enters from the outside into the man is not able to defile him?
19 This is because it does not enter into his heart, but into the belly, and goes out into the waste-bowl, purging all the foods.
20 And He said, That passing out of the man, it is the thing that defiles the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, pass out the evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 thefts, greedy desires, iniquities, deceit, lustful desires, a wicked eye, blasphemy, pride, recklessness.
23 All these evil things pass out from within and defile the man.
(Mrk 7 : 18-23)
[/BIBLE]
Purging all foods does not mean cleaning all foods! It's is something that translators put in there.
Purging basically means to release
so this is the way it was interpreted[hope I used the right word] by me:
[BIBLE]
18 And He said to them, Are you also so undiscerning? Do you not perceive that all that enters from the outside into the man is not able to make him unclean ?
19 This is because it does not enter into his heart, but into the belly, and goes out into the waste-bowl, getting rid of all the foods.
20 And He said, That passing out of the man, it is the thing that makes the man unclean.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, pass out the evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 thefts, greedy desires, iniquities, deceit, lustful desires, a wicked eye, blasphemy, pride, recklessness.
23 All these evil things pass out from within and unclean the man.
[/BIBLE]
Jesus never said he cleaned all meats. He said what you eat can not defile you, which means make you unclean!
If you choose to eat roaches, it will not defile you!
If you choose to eat mice/rats , it will not defile you!
If you were to eat poison, it will not defile you!
although you may be dead from drinking the poison you will still be seen clean in G-d's/Jesus's eyes.
I think Jesus was saying this because they were forced to eat with dirty hands, they had no choice. If they did have a choice, they would have eaten kosher and even after Jesus had said that, I'm sure they continued to eat kosher.
A better way to explain the usage this passage is:
You eating at your best friends house and you noticed that the meat you were eating was pork! You can say "Okay, I ate it by mistake but that's okay because I am not defiled and I can still continue to eat kosher and not be defiled because of this incident.
Also, I think when G-d told Peter to eat the non kosher food G-d made it clean for him, not for us but, for him. Why? Because G-d knew just like in Mrk 7 : 18-23 that there was no other choice they would have starved to death!
If we are supposed to be in Jesus's likeness, and Jesus always ate kosher, then why do most Christians refuse to eat/believe in kosher? That would be enough to make me think, "Maybe because I don't follow kosher I am sinning because I am suppose to be like Jesus".
I hope that opened your minds and you would start eating kosher no matter what!
(The Literal Translation Of The Holy Bible), it will have the exact words with nothing added by translators, this is what I suggest:
goto google and search "The Literal Translation Of The Holy Bible"
Now let's take a look at the KJV (King James Version Of The Holy Bible) compared to the LITV the literal version(with nothing added to it).
the statement of Jesus in Mark 7:1-23 was not talking about abolishing these rules of God but about the character and spirituality of a Christian.
[BIBLE]
KJV
"Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? 19For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")
20He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' 21For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean.' " (Mk.7:18-23).[/BIBLE]
[BIBLE]
LITV
18 And He said to them, Are you also so undiscerning? Do you not perceive that all that enters from the outside into the man is not able to defile him?
19 This is because it does not enter into his heart, but into the belly, and goes out into the waste-bowl, purging all the foods.
20 And He said, That passing out of the man, it is the thing that defiles the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, pass out the evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 thefts, greedy desires, iniquities, deceit, lustful desires, a wicked eye, blasphemy, pride, recklessness.
23 All these evil things pass out from within and defile the man.
(Mrk 7 : 18-23)
[/BIBLE]
Purging all foods does not mean cleaning all foods! It's is something that translators put in there.
Purging basically means to release
so this is the way it was interpreted[hope I used the right word] by me:
[BIBLE]
18 And He said to them, Are you also so undiscerning? Do you not perceive that all that enters from the outside into the man is not able to make him unclean ?
19 This is because it does not enter into his heart, but into the belly, and goes out into the waste-bowl, getting rid of all the foods.
20 And He said, That passing out of the man, it is the thing that makes the man unclean.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, pass out the evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 thefts, greedy desires, iniquities, deceit, lustful desires, a wicked eye, blasphemy, pride, recklessness.
23 All these evil things pass out from within and unclean the man.
[/BIBLE]
Jesus never said he cleaned all meats. He said what you eat can not defile you, which means make you unclean!
If you choose to eat roaches, it will not defile you!
If you choose to eat mice/rats , it will not defile you!
If you were to eat poison, it will not defile you!
although you may be dead from drinking the poison you will still be seen clean in G-d's/Jesus's eyes.
I think Jesus was saying this because they were forced to eat with dirty hands, they had no choice. If they did have a choice, they would have eaten kosher and even after Jesus had said that, I'm sure they continued to eat kosher.
A better way to explain the usage this passage is:
You eating at your best friends house and you noticed that the meat you were eating was pork! You can say "Okay, I ate it by mistake but that's okay because I am not defiled and I can still continue to eat kosher and not be defiled because of this incident.
Also, I think when G-d told Peter to eat the non kosher food G-d made it clean for him, not for us but, for him. Why? Because G-d knew just like in Mrk 7 : 18-23 that there was no other choice they would have starved to death!
If we are supposed to be in Jesus's likeness, and Jesus always ate kosher, then why do most Christians refuse to eat/believe in kosher? That would be enough to make me think, "Maybe because I don't follow kosher I am sinning because I am suppose to be like Jesus".
I hope that opened your minds and you would start eating kosher no matter what!
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Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
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I found going fully kosher to be rather difficult in the US. To find and buy good approved by Rabbi's is expensive and time consuming. Being the cheap guy i am i decided to follow more of a halal(muslim) diet which is much easier and more affordable to follow.. Any non-pork non-shellfish meat is on the table. And if you take into account the logic behind not eating of shellfish you can even add lobster , crab, and shrimp to the menu becuase they are not subject to the same levels of pollutants/environmental toxins that you find in oysters and clams. Those shellfish eat pretty much the same stuff that regular finned/scaled fish do so if you omit them from your diet you might as well do away with seafood period as they provide similar levels of danger.
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re: post 63.....
the key to unlocking this verse in Acts is that Peter describes multiple animal types on the sheet, there were
unclean (akatharton) animals,
and there were
common (koninon (from where we get the word fellowship) animals
unclean animals are those not classed as food according to torah
common animals are animals classed as food which have become unfit due to something happening to them (in this case coming into contact with unclean animals).
in response, god says, he should not call any man common or unclean
the standards are about people not food. The torah rules as to what is and is not classed as food remain.
I eat only clean foods not because I a jewish, but because God says it is the better thing to do.... both in the law and also before the law.
Jesus when discussing food with the pharisees said, about what was being eaten (as it would only have been foodstuffs defined by torah) if made common could be eaten with thanksgiving.
Steve
p.s. i have not read it myself, but have heard good reviews about a book called 'holy cow' by somebody Lancaster I think (this is a link to the google book version).
the key to unlocking this verse in Acts is that Peter describes multiple animal types on the sheet, there were
unclean (akatharton) animals,
and there were
common (koninon (from where we get the word fellowship) animals
unclean animals are those not classed as food according to torah
common animals are animals classed as food which have become unfit due to something happening to them (in this case coming into contact with unclean animals).
in response, god says, he should not call any man common or unclean
the standards are about people not food. The torah rules as to what is and is not classed as food remain.
I eat only clean foods not because I a jewish, but because God says it is the better thing to do.... both in the law and also before the law.
Jesus when discussing food with the pharisees said, about what was being eaten (as it would only have been foodstuffs defined by torah) if made common could be eaten with thanksgiving.
Steve
p.s. i have not read it myself, but have heard good reviews about a book called 'holy cow' by somebody Lancaster I think (this is a link to the google book version).
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Since nothing has really changed in each annimal or us since creation, I would say that the closer we get to Eden, the better off we are.
Everything has its downfalls. Excesses, McDonald's diet, junk food, kosher and non-kosher, etc.
God wants us to return to Eden and when He creates a new heaven and a new earth, we will once again be in the garden of eden. Since that is our destination, I believe it is wise to follow the Lord's wisdom in food choices... starting with the fruitarian diet, and then the herbs and vegetables added... moving on to the kosher diet as given on Mount Sinai... I am all for not comsuming Monsanto manipulated foods and radiated foods.
There is a lot of research that has shown the advantages of each.
Everything has its downfalls. Excesses, McDonald's diet, junk food, kosher and non-kosher, etc.
God wants us to return to Eden and when He creates a new heaven and a new earth, we will once again be in the garden of eden. Since that is our destination, I believe it is wise to follow the Lord's wisdom in food choices... starting with the fruitarian diet, and then the herbs and vegetables added... moving on to the kosher diet as given on Mount Sinai... I am all for not comsuming Monsanto manipulated foods and radiated foods.
There is a lot of research that has shown the advantages of each.
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I do make sure when I cook any pork products, that they are fully cooked, whereas I like my steaks and beef products extra rare.
Romans 14:14 I have known and am persuaded in Lord Jesus that nothing contaminating thru himself, except to the one accounting any being-unclean to be, to that one being-unclean. [Genesis 9:33]
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