Alleles or Alleluia?

[AV1611VET]

Then I'll say you understand neither very well.

And you're not qualified to speak for those who say they understand the Bible, are you?

The fact of the matter is:

2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Jazer reconciles his way (GAP theology), and I reconcile mine (Boolean standards).

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Can anyone tell me what the question is?

 

[AV1611VET]

Can anyone tell me what the question is?

IOW: Evolution or Creation?

 

[Speedwell]

Then I'll say you understand neither very well.

As evolution is the same for both the atheist and the believer, I see no a priori reason why you should have a superior understanding of it to a believer. As far as the Bible is concerned, you are free to interpret it an any manner you please, but you cannot urge your interpretation as innately superior, any more than can a YEC.

 

[Speedwell]

IOW: Evolution or Creation?

So far, the only answer to be offered is both, in which I concur.

 

[AV1611VET]

So far, the only answer to be offered is both, in which I concur.

That would be fine and dandy if God did it that way; but to go with both means we would have to jettison some big-time doctrine: like Original Sin.

 

[Speedwell]

That would be fine and dandy if God did it that way; but to go with both means we would have to jettison some big-time doctrine: like Original Sin.

No, that's a logical fallacy, formally known as Denying the Antecedent.

 

[MasonP]

Side note: I don't think you are going to get many votes on this forum because I would bet 80% of the people here don't know what Alleles are! Although they probably claim a FIRM conviction and knowledge of evolution!

Let's put it this way, people do not need to understand evolution to know that magic can not be the answer, even if evolution is not true then another answer must be sought, just because we don't know how something happened we can never be justified in calling on magic to serve as an answer because magic raises more questions than it answers.

 

[AV1611VET]

Let's put it this way, people do not need to understand evolution to know that magic can not be the answer, even if evolution is not true then another answer must be sought, just because we don't know how something happened we can never be justified in calling on magic to serve as an answer because magic raises more questions than it answers.

What about miracles?

... magic raises more questions than it answers.

Are you saying magic is scientific?

 

[MasonP]

What about miracles?

Miracle is just another word for religious magic which is designed to hoodwink the gullible, children and the educationally challenged.

Are you saying magic is scientific?

There is no such thing as magic [or miracles] scientific or otherwise.
For the religious miracles are the answer to everything and the explanation for nothing. if there's something that needs explaining about religion the answer is always a 'miracle', the impossible is always made possible by a 'miracle'.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is no such thing as magic [or miracles] scientific or otherwise.

Tell that to the magicians who make a living doing magic shows.

 

[MasonP]

Tell that to the magicians who make a living doing magic shows.

How old are you?

 

[AV1611VET]

How old are you?

62

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Tell that to the magicians who make a living doing magic shows.

"Real Magic isn't real, and the magic that is real isn't really Magic" James Randi

 

[MasonP]

62

There is no such thing as magic [or miracles] scientific or otherwise.
For the religious miracles are the answer to everything and the explanation for nothing. if there's something that needs explaining about religion the answer is always a 'miracle', for the religious the impossible is always made possible by a 'miracle'.

 

[AV1611VET]

"Real Magic isn't real, and the magic that is real isn't really Magic" James Randi

I understand that, but magic per se is an industry built upon legerdemain, and it comes with at least a working definition for entertainment purposes.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is no such thing as magic [or miracles] scientific or otherwise.

I'm going to disagree.

Magic makes a good adjective that sets the tone for what is about to be expected.

There are magic tricks, magic shows, and even things that operate "like magic."

I believe magic has a proper place in our language.

 

[MasonP]

I'm going to disagree.

Magic makes a good adjective that sets the tone for what is about to be expected.

There are magic tricks, magic shows, and even things that operate "like magic."

I believe magic has a proper place in our language.

Magic is a name we use to describe someone's ability to delude other people into thinking the impossible is possible.
How does this guy do this?

 

[AV1611VET]

Magic is a name we use to describe someone's ability to delude other people into thinking the impossible is possible.

No, it's not.

Anyone who sees a magic show and gets deluded into thinking the impossible is possible came to the magic show with a very thin assessment of reality.

By way of example, suppose Chriss Angel walks across a swimming pool as a display of magic.

The spectators would not be allowed to intervene during the demonstration and investigate for themselves.

In fact, a perimeter would be set up beforehand and an area be placed off-limits.

By contrast, suppose Jesus walks out to a ship on the sea of Galilee.

You would be invited, as Peter was, to join Him.

Nothing would be placed off-limits.

That's the difference between magic and miracles.

Notice your video is labeled a "trick"?

How does this guy do this?

I don't know.

But I'm sure others can do it too.

By contrast, let's see you split the Red Sea.

Or even the Sea of Reeds.

 

[AV1611VET]

* video *

I would love for this guy to come here and debate me on creationism ... my forte.

It would be a short one, I'm sure; but just about as entertaining as his card trick.