All die physical deaths; True or False?

[AnticipateHisComing]

Why was Enoch not found, obviously because he died.

People are usually really easy to track down when they are dead, obviously.

This story of Elijah is an interesting one because we see him being taken by chariots and was separated from Elissa so that Elissa can continue the role that Elijah left of from. It doesn't say that Elijah didn't eventually die. We see later chapter that Elijah is writing letters from somewhere else and so this separation was to allow Elissa to continue the ministry.

It is the same event that happened to Philip when he was taken somewhere else by a chariot. at the time he was baptising the African eunuch and suddenly he was taken by the chariot to another place in Azotus. The same thing that happened to Elijah happened to Philip.

Elijah was taken by a chariot and horses of fire, not of this earth.
Scripture says repeatedly Elijah was taken to heaven.
Philip was found later on earth. Fifty men searched for three days to find Elijah, they did not as Elisha said.
You dispute clear scripture with conjecture.

 

[Berean777]

Paul does not say all fleshy life will be put away at the grave.

Read Paul's words closely that you rely on for your argument.
1 Cor 15:35 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised?
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead.
Paul in several verses explains how the dead are raised.
He contrasts the earthly body with the heavenly body. Does he say all will die? Does he say that the only way to have the heavenly body is to first die. Does he say that on Christ's return all will first die and then be raised in the new spiritual body? No he doesn't. Paul explicitly says those saints alive when Christ returns will be changed without dying. So there is a way to as you say "put away fleshly life" without dying.

You continue to ignore verse 52 as quoted in the OP, but somehow want to use Paul's words in the same chapter. A major point of this OP is that all scripture is true and must be read in whole. This means there may be exceptions to general rules. Scripture in one place may be qualified in another place. We just don't ignore the other scripture because it doesn't agree with one's own understanding.


Now you wish to argue a difference between what it means to EXPERIENCE death vs what it means to die. In all of history do you think only 2 people died "peacefully", without experiencing the "pains" of death? Read scripture to learn this is not the message that scripture is clearly saying.

5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.
8 Altogether, Seth lived a total of 912 years, and then he died.
11 Altogether, Enosh lived a total of 905 years, and then he died.
14 Altogether, Kenan lived a total of 910 years, and then he died.
17 Altogether, Mahalalel lived a total of 895 years, and then he died.
20 Altogether, Jared lived a total of 962 years, and then he died.
23 Altogether, Enoch lived a total of 365 years. 24 Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.
27 Altogether, Methuselah lived a total of 969 years, and then he died.
31 Altogether, Lamech lived a total of 777 years, and then he died.

Genesis 5 lists 9 generations. Do you see something unique in the description of their lives? Is there an exception in one of them? Scripture does not deceive. It may hide things though.


Understand that physical death of the body is a curse from God. It was not part of the world at creation.
Understand that God can give earthly life to dust. Not all were born.
Understand that God can create descendants of Abraham out of stones.
Understand that spiritual beings can manifest as physical beings and go back to spiritual beings.

It should be no problem to understand that God can take an earthly body to heaven without dying. Does the earthly body still exits in heaven, I don't think so. Does than mean that the earthly body died? Scripture says it did not. What happened to the earthly body? Not the point of my thread. If something can be given life without being born, than a physical life could be over without death.

I believe that Enoch and Elijah were spared the curse of a physical death just as the saints at Jesus second coming will be "translated" into spiritual beings without dying.

A person being translated means from one state to another. The story of Elijah is somewhat similar to Philip when he was taken by the chariot to somewhere else. However Enoch earthly body instantly died without suffering corruption.

Both Enoch and Elijah had to have died because the point of the saviour being sent is to also Elijah and Enoch. These were not sinless beings and death was a curse upon them also. It just means that Enoch earthly body instantly died without coruption or sufferings.

The ones at Christ's coming are translated and their terrestrial bodies are instantly changed but non the less they cannot inherit eternal life in heaven unless the first Adam is put away at the grave.

 

[Berean777]

People are usually really easy to track down when they are dead, obviously.


Elijah was taken by a chariot and horses of fire, not of this earth.
Scripture says repeatedly Elijah was taken to heaven.
Philip was found later on earth. Fifty men searched for three days to find Elijah, they did not as Elisha said.
You dispute clear scripture with conjecture.

Maybe God didn't want the 50 men to find Elijah so that Elisha can carry on the ministry in the same symbolry that the Lord was taken from us so that the Spirit of Elijah can prepare us as the many Elisha's of the world.