AIDS - highest rise in HETEROSEXUALS

[davedjy]

Heterosexual transmission accounted for the largest proportionate increase in the number of reported AIDS cases in the United States between 1996 and 2000, (1) and AIDS is the leading cause of death among individuals aged 25-44. (2) Other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) also account for considerable morbidity and mortality. (3) Most of the research on heterosexual STD transmission has focused on women, undoubtedly because transmission from men to women is more efficient than the reverse, (4) women tend to have more severe sequelae than men and women traditionally have had less control of the means of prevention. (5) However, heterosexual STD transmission cannot be prevented without better understanding of men's, as well as women's, sexual beliefs and behaviors. (6)

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NNR/is_3_35/ai_104970627

 

[ReformedChapin]

I wish it would state how they came to their conclusions, not just their methodology.

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]Heterosexual transmission accounted for the largest proportionate increase in the number of reported AIDS cases in the United States between 1996 and 2000, (1) and AIDS is the leading cause of death among individuals aged 25-44. (2) Other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) also account for considerable morbidity and mortality. (3) Most of the research on heterosexual STD transmission has focused on women, undoubtedly because transmission from men to women is more efficient than the reverse, (4) women tend to have more severe sequelae than men and women traditionally have had less control of the means of prevention. (5) However, heterosexual STD transmission cannot be prevented without better understanding of men's, as well as women's, sexual beliefs and behaviors. (6)

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NNR/is_3_35/ai_104970627[/SIZE]

Dave's claim, "Heterosexual transmission accounted for the largest proportionate increase in the number of reported AIDS cases in the United States between 1996 and 2000,. . ."

Dave's link, how the "study" was conducted. See any evidence for the claim? I don't.

METHODS

The data come from a longitudinal study examining decisions about four methods for protecting against STDs--abstinence, monogamy, use of male condoms and use of female condoms--among heterosexually active men living in a large urban county in the northwestern United States.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NNR/is_3_35/ai_104970627​

 

[PinkTulip]

You are talking about increases. Yes, HIV in women is on the upswing. BUT the largest group of HIV carriers in most parts of the WORLD are those who have received it through male-to-male contact. It is very scary when one denies these facts to propagate their own agenda! IT IS A FACT that you are at a greater risk of contracting HIV when you are engaging in homosexual sex. You cannot deny this.



http://www.avert.org/usastatg.htm

http://www.avert.org/canstatg.htm

http://www.avert.org/uksummary.htm

http://www.avert.org/indiaaids.htm

http://www.avert.org/ausstatg.htm

 

[MrPirate]

You are talking about increases. Yes, HIV in women is on the upswing. BUT the largest group of HIV carriers in most parts of the WORLD are those who have received it through male-to-male contact. It is very scary when one denies these facts to propagate their own agenda! IT IS A FACT that you are at a greater risk of contracting HIV when you are engaging in homosexual sex. You cannot deny this.



http://www.avert.org/usastatg.htm

http://www.avert.org/canstatg.htm

http://www.avert.org/uksummary.htm

http://www.avert.org/indiaaids.htm

http://www.avert.org/ausstatg.htm

Selective use of statistics and weasel wording to present a false conclusion.


The World Health Organization shows that women are the majority of people infected with HIV/AIDS and that the majority of individuals in the world contracted HIV through heterosexual contact.
www.who.int/

http://www.unaids.org/en/HIV_data/2006GlobalReport/default.asp


You like others on these forums have attempted to use the existence of a disease to justify personal prejudice.
Over 85% of all individuals with HIV/AIDS are non-white. (Ref: UNAIDS http://www.unaids.org/en/HIV_data/2006GlobalReport/default.asp) Does this fact justify racism?

Would you use this fact to attack non-whites?

Why not? you are more than happy to use skewed information to attack one minority…why not others?

 

[ReformedChapin]

Selective use of statistics and weasel wording to present a false conclusion.


The World Health Organization shows that women are the majority of people infected with HIV/AIDS and that the majority of individuals in the world contracted HIV through heterosexual contact.
www.who.int/

http://www.unaids.org/en/HIV_data/2006GlobalReport/default.asp


You like others on these forums have attempted to use the existence of a disease to justify personal prejudice.
Over 85% of all individuals with HIV/AIDS are non-white. (Ref: UNAIDS http://www.unaids.org/en/HIV_data/2006GlobalReport/default.asp) Does this fact justify racism?

Would you use this fact to attack non-whites?

Why not? you are more than happy to use skewed information to attack one minority…why not others?

Again, illogical comperison since other factors play in different racial circles. Many in my very own tradition (hispanic) enphesize various sexual activities, that's besides the fact that they aren't educated in using protection.

 

[PinkTulip]

Selective use of statistics and weasel wording to present a false conclusion.


The World Health Organization shows that women are the majority of people infected with HIV/AIDS and that the majority of individuals in the world contracted HIV through heterosexual contact.
www.who.int/

http://www.unaids.org/en/HIV_data/2006GlobalReport/default.asp


You like others on these forums have attempted to use the existence of a disease to justify personal prejudice.
Over 85% of all individuals with HIV/AIDS are non-white. (Ref: UNAIDS http://www.unaids.org/en/HIV_data/2006GlobalReport/default.asp) Does this fact justify racism?

Would you use this fact to attack non-whites?

Why not? you are more than happy to use skewed information to attack one minority…why not others?

Oh my. You are including stats from Africa. It is still a FACT that in Western developed countries that male-to-male homosexuals make up the largest group of HIV victimes. Why do you deny this and then call me prejudice?
Quick google on AIDS Calgary - Male to male contact most important driver for all HIV epidemics in Canada and account for 45% of all new cases. Maybe you should write to them and call them prejudice against homosexuals.

http://www.aidscalgary.org/aboutHiv/documents/HIVAIDSStats11-29-2006.pdf

 

[MrPirate]

Again, illogical comperison since other factors play in different racial circles. Many in my very own tradition (hispanic) enphesize various sexual activities, that's besides the fact that they aren't educated in using protection.

What is illogical is denying the comparison.

there are individuals trying to justify hate and prejudice against a minority by using a virus…yet these same people become indignant when the same argument is used to justify hate and prejudice against a different minority.

If you are offended perhaps you should confront those trying to justify perjudice by using a disease in the first place.

 

[Brieuse]

What is illogical is denying the comparison.

there are individuals trying to justify hate and prejudice against a minority by using a virus…yet these same people become indignant when the same argument is used to justify hate and prejudice against a different minority.

What is illogical is denying the comparison.

there are individuals trying to justify hate and prejudice against a minority by using a virus…yet these same people become indignant when the same argument is used to justify hate and prejudice against a different minority.

If you are offended perhaps you should confront those trying to justify perjudice by using a disease in the first place.

He's offended because he's being told his online guide to hating gays is a bit flawed in logic. They don't seem to like hearing that it seems.

 

[ReformedChapin]

What is illogical is denying the comparison.

there are individuals trying to justify hate and prejudice against a minority by using a virus…yet these same people become indignant when the same argument is used to justify hate and prejudice against a different minority.

What is illogical is denying the comparison.

there are individuals trying to justify hate and prejudice against a minority by using a virus…yet these same people become indignant when the same argument is used to justify hate and prejudice against a different minority.

If you are offended perhaps you should confront those trying to justify perjudice by using a disease in the first place.

Why on earth did you post the same thing twice? Also I said already what is irrational about your comperison. It's more than "you are a hater because you are against homosexuality." The statistics dont show what you are trying to get them to show, they prove that different racial circles along with homosexuals are more sexually active which shows their sin. Not the fact that one race or sex is better than another, that's an ethical decision made clear by scripture that you just don't want to accept.

 

[ReformedChapin]

He's offended because he's being told his online guide to hating gays is a bit flawed in logic. They don't seem to like hearing that it seems.

This is proof of what exactly what I'm talking about.

"You hate gays because scripture says it's wrong." Excellent post...not.

 

[MrPirate]

Oh my. You are including stats from Africa.

Are you suggesting that people who do not reside in Africa are better or more important?

It is still a FACT that in Western developed countries that male-to-male homosexuals make up the largest group of HIV victimes.

Why do you deny this and then call me prejudice?

Deny? Oh you must mean the fact that I posted actual statistics and references that were not given out to present a false conclusion.


You are using a virus to attack the members of a minority.
You seem to disdain the people of Africa
You present selective statistics to further your goals

If you are not prejudice…what are you?

Quick google on AIDS Calgary - Male to male contact most important driver for all HIV epidemics in Canada and account for 45% of all new cases. Maybe you should write to them and call them prejudice against homosexuals.

http://www.aidscalgary.org/aboutHiv/documents/HIVAIDSStats11-29-2006.pdf

Your link is not purposefully ignoring the people of Africa .
Your link is not using a disease to justify personal prejudice.
Your link doesn’t attack any minority.



Now to repeat my original question to you:
You like others on these forums have attempted to use the existence of a disease to justify personal prejudice. Over 85% of all individuals with HIV/AIDS are non-white. (Ref: UNAIDS http://www.unaids.org/en/HIV_data/20...rt/default.asp) Does this fact justify racism?

Please answer.

 

[Brieuse]

Why on earth did you post the same thing twice? Also I said already what is irrational about your comperison. It's more than "you are a hater because you are against homosexuality." The statistics dont show what you are trying to get them to show, they prove that different racial circles along with homosexuals are more sexually active which shows their sin. Not the fact that one race or sex is better than another, that's an ethical decision made clear by scripture that you just don't want to accept.

why not take the statistics and use them properly then? Instead of dumping us Christian gays into the same mould as all the other gays, why not take your same statistics and work out the life expectancy of gays in a loving monogamous relationship?

 

[ReformedChapin]

why not take the statistics and use them properly then? Instead of dumping us Christian gays into the same mould as all the other gays, why not take your same statistics and work out the life expectancy of gays in a loving monogamous relationship?

I haven't posted statistics? That's besides the fact that gays in monogamous relationships would still biblically unethical so I wouldn't waste my time.

 

[Brieuse]

I haven't posted statistics? That's besides the fact that gays in monogamous relationships would still biblically unethical so I wouldn't waste my time.

try that formula in an Excel spreadsheet and you'll get errors. Something about circular data

 

[MercyBurst]

Let's look at credible data from the Centers for Disease Control.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.htm

The term men who have sex with men (MSM) refers to all men who have sex with other men, regardless of how they identify themselves (gay, bisexual, or heterosexual). In the United States, HIV and AIDS have had a tremendous impact on MSM. Consider these facts:

• AIDS has been diagnosed for more than half a million MSM. Over 300,000 MSM with AIDS have died since the beginning of the epidemic.
• MSM made up more than two thirds (60%) of all men living with HIV in 2005, even though only about 5% to 7% of men in the United States reported having sex with other men.
• In a 2005 study of 5 large US cities, 46% of African American MSM were HIV-postitive.

Since HIV/AIDS in MSM was first diagnosed 1981, gay and bisexual men have been leaders in dealing with the challenges of the epidemic. Gay organizations and activists, through their work, have contributed greatly to many of the guidelines for prevention, treatment, and the care of people living with HIV/AIDS.
For complex reasons, HIV/AIDS continues to take a high toll on the MSM population. For example, the number of new HIV/AIDS cases among MSM in 2005 was 13% more than the number of cases in 2001. It is unclear whether this increase is due to more testing, which results in more diagnoses, or to an increase in the number of HIV infections. Whatever the reasons, in 2005, MSM still accounted for about 53% of all new HIV/AIDS cases and 72% of cases in male adults and adolescents.

 

[MrPirate]

Let's look at credible data from the Centers for Disease Control.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.htm

In the United States, the HIV/AIDS epidemic is a health crisis for African Americans. At all stages of HIV/AIDS—from infection with HIV to death with AIDS—blacks (including African Americans) are disproportionately affected compared with members of other races and ethnicities
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/aa/resources/factsheets/aa.htm

In the United States, the annual number of new HIV infections has decreased from a peak of more than 150,000 in the mid-1980s and has stabilized since the late 1990s at approximately 40,000. Populations of minority races and ethnicities are disproportionately affected by the HIV epidemic. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/aa/print/cdc.htm


Does the fact that racial minorities are disproportionately affected by HIV justify racism?

 

[mdaniel]

It is still a FACT that in Western developed countries that male-to-male homosexuals make up the largest group of HIV victims.

It's really a shame. It's so preventable yet even a friend of mine who was a volunteer at a gay support centre let his poor judgment get the better of him. He's now in his mid 20's and HIV positive. And he doesn't even know who gave it to him. It's just sad .. Period.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Let's see thread was started by someone who professes to be homosexual, but when people try to respond to the OP they get told things like:

] why not take the statistics and use them properly then? Instead of dumping us Christian gays into the same mould as all the other gays, why not take your same statistics and work out the life expectancy of gays in a loving monogamous relationship?

Then we have MrPirate, whose other site name I wish I could remember, but at least he is consistant and still tries to make it seem logical by using the race card. He likes to say people are saying, believing and doing all these things they aren't, as if maybe saying it enough will make it true. I am thankful that he doesn't change because it makes it so much easier to ignore the racism claims that he throws out.

I have to agree with the person who started the thread about why are we even debating this when it comes to ..................

Nevermind, have other things to do.

Good Day!

 

[davedjy]

Let's see thread was started by someone who professes to be homosexual, but when people try to respond to the OP they get told things like:

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Then we have MrPirate, whose other site name I wish I could remember, but at least he is consistant and still tries to make it seem logical by using the race card. He likes to say people are saying, believing and doing all these things they aren't, as if maybe saying it enough will make it true. I am thankful that he doesn't change because it makes it so much easier to ignore the racism claims that he throws out.

I have to agree with the person who started the thread about why are we even debating this when it comes to ..................

Nevermind, have other things to do.

Good Day!

At least you can get one thing out of it...any person can use "statistics" to state their point. Who knows what is true, and what is false, so much tainted evidence.

I don't live my life by "statistics", and if I wish to be in a same sex, monogamous relationship, I won't live a promiscuous lifestyle. There are DANGEROUS lifestyles in both heterosexuality and homosexuality!