Acts 17:11 greek verse study only

[LittleLambofJesus]

This is not a debate thread concerning solo/sola scriptura as in this other thread.
What I would like to do is simply study this verse as it appears in the greek so please do not derail to any other topic other than this 1 verse [at least for now ]Thanks

Since the topic of the Bereans was being discussed so much on another thread, I thought I would bring a post that I had up on that thread to this one so we could further discuss it w/o derailing the other thread
Perhaps we can examing each major greek word used in this verse and how they are used elsewhere.
That is if any here are interested

http://www.christianforums.com/t7584240/#post58295780

The greek word #4288 is interesting and only used 1 time in Acts and the rest in 2 Corinthians 8 and 9.
According to the lexicon it uses the root word #2372, which is used as "fury/wrath" in most places of the NT [expecially in Revelation].

ISA) Acts 17:11 These yet were more well-generated of the ones in Thessalonica, who-any receive the word with all passion/pro-qumiaV <4288> the according to day, examining the Writings if it may be having these thusly.

Textus Rec.) Acts 17:11 outoi de hsan eugenesteroi twn en qessalonikh oitineV edexanto ton logon meta pashV proqumiaV to kaq hmeran anakrinonteV taV grafaV ei ecoi tauta outwV

Strong's Number G4288 matches the Greek &#960;&#961;&#959;&#952;&#965;&#956;&#8055;&#945; (prothymia), which occurs 6 times in 5 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV
Page 1 / 1 (Act 17:11 - 2Cr 9:2)

4288. prothumia proth-oo-mee'-ah from 4289; predisposition, i.e. alacrity:--forwardness of mind, readiness (of mind), ready (willing) mind.
4253. pro pro a primary preposition; "fore", i.e. in front of, prior (figuratively, superior) to:--above, ago, before, or ever.
2372. thumos thoo-mos' from 2380; passion (as if breathing hard):--fierceness, indignation, wrath. Compare 5590.

 

[Mr Dave]

Great thread.

Examining &#7936;&#957;&#945;&#954;&#961;&#8055;&#957;&#959;&#957;&#964;&#949;&#962; from &#7936;&#957;&#945;&#954;&#961;&#8055;&#957;&#969; (Strongs 350)

By looking through a series of objects or particulers to distinguish or search after. Hence;
a. To investigate, examine, inquire into, scrutinise, sift, question. Spec. in a forensic sense of a judge, to hold an investigation; to interrogate, examine.
b. To judge of, estimate, determine.

Sounds a like it wasn't merely looking at the scriptures but most thorough of jobs.

 

[Optimax]

Acts 17:11-12
11 The people there were more open-minded than the people in Thessalonica. They listened to the message with great eagerness, and every day they studied the Scriptures to see if what Paul said was really true.
TEV

Acts 17:11-12
11 And the people of Berea were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, and they listened eagerly to Paul's message. They searched the Scriptures day after day to check up on Paul and Silas, to see if they were really teaching the truth. 12 As a result, many Jews believed, as did some of the prominent Greek women and many men.
NLT

 

[patience7]

I'd like to start out by looking at the word "received" in this verse:

"they received the word" The word received in this verse is from the gk word dechomai and it's to receive teaching, instruction, to receive favourably, to embrace, make one's own, to learn

dechomai is a middle voice usage of a primary verb and represents the subject as acting either upon him/herself or in his/her own interest i.e. to receive subjectively unto oneself.

They - the Bereans - each one of them separately and individually - were eager, willing, and ready to receive unto themselves the word. I just think it makes it more meaningful to see that the Bereans were a group but yet they were a group of individuals and that each one took upon themselves to search. Each one investigated; each one inquired into; each one scrutinized the scriptures to make the word each one's own!

"whether those things were so" = "Therefore many believed"

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

#2104 used 3 times in 3 verses. Luke 19:12, 1 Corin 1:26 and here. It is formed by the prefix #2095 and root word #1074 literally meaning "well-bred/born", which most versions render as "noble".

The word appears in Luke 19:12 about the story of a certain nobleman going out to look for a kingdom.

ISA) Acts 17:11 These yet were more well-bred/noble/eu-genesteroi <2104> of the ones in Thessalonica, who-any receive the word with all passion/eagerness the according to day, examining the Writings if it may be having these thusly.

NKJV) Luke 19:12 Therefore He said: "A certain nobleman/eu-genhV <2104> went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return.

I decided to put up the wiki definition and it indeed appears to closely resemble the english meaning of that greek word. Thoughts?

Nobility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nobility is a social class which possesses more acknowledged privileges or eminence than members of most other classes in a society, membership therein typically being hereditary.

The privileges associated with nobility may constitute substantial advantages over or relative to non-nobles, or may be largely honorary (e.g. precedence), and vary from country to country and era to era. Traditionally membership in the nobility has been regulated or acknowledged by the government.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

#2332 occurs 5 times in 5 verses.
It appears to a combination of 2 greek words...."Thessalos", which seems similar to the greek word #2281 used for "sea", and #3529 meaning victorius.

Perhaps someone more knowledgable in greek can give a better view of what the meaning of "Thessalo" is.

ISA) Acts 17:11 These yet were more well-bred/noble of the ones in Thessalonica/qessalo-nikh <2332>, who-any receive the word with all passion the according to day, examining the Writings if it may be having these thusly.

2332. Thessalonike from Thessalos (a Thessalian) and 3529; Thessalonice, a place in Asia Minor:--Thessalonica.
2281. thalassa probably prolonged from 251; the sea (genitive case or specially):--sea.
3529. nike apparently a primary word; conquest (abstractly), i.e. (figuratively) the means of success:--victory.

Young) Matthew 4:15 `Land of Zebulun and land of Naphtali, way of the sea/qalasshV <2281>, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations! --

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thessalonia

All variations of the city's name derive from the original (and current) appellation in Greek: &#920;&#949;&#963;&#963;&#945;&#955;&#959;&#957;&#943;&#954;&#951;, literally translating to "Thessalian Victory" and in origin the name of a princess, Thessalonike of Macedon, who was named so because she was born on the day of the Macedonian victory at the Battle of Crocus Field.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

#1209 used 68 times in 48 verses.

This particular form of the word used 6 times in 6 verses. Luke 9:54, John 4:45, Act 11:1/17:11/21:17, 2 Thess 2:10

ISA) Acts 17:11 These yet were more well-bred/noble of the ones in Thessalonica, whoany receive/edexanto <1209> (5662) the word with all passion the according to day, examining the Writings if it may be having these thusly.

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G1209 matches the Greek &#948;&#8051;&#967;&#959;&#956;&#945;&#953; (dechomai), which occurs 68 times in 48 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

1209. dechomai middle voice of a primary verb; to receive (in various applications, literally or figuratively):--accept, receive, take. Compare 2983.

Last time form of #1209 used in NT:

Young) 2 Thessalonians 2:10 and in all deceitfulness of the unrighteousness in those perishing, because the love of the truth they did not receive/edexanto <1209> (5662) for their being saved,

 

[heymikey80]

I'm not really sure that Acts 17:11 is actually saying that Paul found more noblemen in Thessalonica. I think rather that their actions indicated a higher intent, one that would be called noble.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

#4288 used 6 times in 5 verses. 1 time here, 4 times in 2 Corinthians.
It is formed with the prefix #4253 and root word #2372.

Most popular translations render it as "readiness" or "eagerness".

ISA) Acts 17:11 These yet were more well-bred/noble of the ones in Thessalonica, whoany receive the word with all readiness of mind/pro-qumiaV <4288> the according to day, examining the Writings if it may be having these thusly.

Strong's Number G4288 matches the Greek &#960;&#961;&#959;&#952;&#965;&#956;&#8055;&#945; (prothymia), which occurs 6 times in 5 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

4288. prothumia from 4289; predisposition, i.e. alacrity:--forwardness of mind, readiness (of mind), ready (willing) mind.
4253. pro a primary preposition; "fore", i.e. in front of, prior (figuratively, superior) to:--
2372. thumos from 2380; passion (as if breathing hard):--fierceness, indignation, wrath. Compare 5590.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

&#12288;
#350 shown 18/16 times in 14 verses. Only 1 time in Gospels {Luke 23:14}, the rest in Acts and 1 Corinthians. It is formed with the prefix ##303 and the root word #2919 which is used as "judge" in the NT.

I also put up the first time #2919 is used in the book of Revelation

ISA) Acts 17:11 These yet were more well-bred/noble of the ones in Thessalonica, whoany receive the word with all readiness of mind the according to day, examining/anakrinonteV <350> (5723) the Writings if it may be having these thusly.

Strong's Number G350 matches the Greek &#7936;&#957;&#945;&#954;&#961;&#8055;&#957;&#969; (anakrin&#333, which occurs 18 times in 14 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

350. anakrino from 303 and 2919; properly, to scrutinize, i.e. (by implication) investigate, interrogate, determine:--ask, question, discern, examine, judge, search.
303. ana a primary preposition and adverb; properly, up; but (by extension) used (distributively) severally, or (locally) at (etc.):--
2919. krino properly, to distinguish, i.e. decide (mentally or judicially); by implication, to try, condemn, punish:--avenge, conclude, condemn, damn, decree, determine, esteem, judge, go to (sue at the) law, ordain, call in question, sentence to, think.

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G2919 matches the Greek &#954;&#961;&#8055;&#957;&#969; (krin&#333, which occurs 131 times in 98 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV
AV — judge 88, determine 7, condemn 5, go to law 2, call in question 2, esteem 2, misc 8

1) to separate, put asunder, to pick out, select, choose 2) to approve, esteem, to prefer 3) to be of opinion, deem, think, to be of opinion 4) to determine, resolve, decree 5) to judge a) to pronounce an opinion concerning right and wrong 1) to be judged, i.e. summoned to trial that one's case may be examined and judgment passed upon it b) to pronounce judgment, to subject to censure 1) of those who act the part of judges or arbiters in matters of common life, or pass judgment on the deeds and words of others 6) to rule, govern a) to preside over with the power of giving judicial decisions, because it was the prerogative of kings and rulers to pass judgment 7) to contend together, of warriors and combatants a) to dispute b) in a forensic sense 1) to go to law, have suit at law

Reve 6:10 And they cry out to a great voice saying "how long, the Owner/Master, the Holy and True, not Thou are judging/krineiV <2919> (5719) and avenging the blood of us from out of the ones homing upon the land?"

 

[LaSpino3]

LittleLamb, Entering the discussion a bit late. But I would like to discuss three words found in Acts 17:11. The first is, received, The following comes from my web-site, "seekfirstwisdom." I only have 43 post, you can fill in the rest of my site.

Received, Greek dechomai. Synonyms are, took, received, accepted. To take to one's self what is presented, or brought by another, to receive. A transitive verb, expressing action that passes from the agent to the object. In the verse under discussion, it is used as a,

Metaphor. Of things, to receive, to admit with the mind and heart, as by implied, to approve, to embrace, to follow, absolute.

Matt.11:14, "If ye will receive it." Luke 8:13. Acts 8:14, 11:1, 17:11.
1 Thes.1:6, 2:13. James 1:21, "Receive with meekness the engrafted word."

1 Cor.2:14, "The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit."

2 Cor.8:17, "He accepted." 2 Thes.2:10. Septuagint, for Hebrew, Prov.10:8, "The wise heart will receive commandments."

The second word.

Readiness, and Mind: 4288. Greek prothumia. Predisposition, readiness, alacrity of mind. Acts 17:11, "All readiness of mind." 2 Cor.8:11, "A readiness of will." 2 Cor.8:12, "Willing mind." 2 Cor.8:19, "Of your ready mind." 2 Cor.9:2, "The forwardness of your mind."

The third word is,

Search, or searched, Greek, anakrino. Synonyms are examine, investigate, inquire, judge, Intransitive verb that expresses action, that is limited to the agent. Transitive verb, expressing action that passes from the agent to the object, and absolute. Also as a past particle, expressing a completed action.

To separate or divide up; in N.T. as a metaphor. To examine carefully, to investigate, to inquire.

Genr. Acts 17:11, "Searched the Scriptures daily." 1 Cor.10:25-27, "Asking no questions," not anxiously inquiring, whether the meat had been offered to idols. Septuagint for Hebrew, 1 Sam.20:12. "Sounded my father" meaning to (searched out.)

The word is used in other verse in a forensic sense, as in "To judge," but not in Acts 17.

Phil LaSpino

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

LittleLamb, Entering the discussion a bit late. But I would like to discuss three words found in Acts 17:11. The first is, received, The following comes from my web-site, "seekfirstwisdom." I only have 43 post, you can fill in the rest of my site.

Received, Greek dechomai. Synonyms are, took, received, accepted. To take to one's self what is presented, or brought by another, to receive. A transitive verb, expressing action that passes from the agent to the object. In the verse under discussion, it is used as a,

Metaphor. Of things, to receive, to admit with the mind and heart, as by implied, to approve, to embrace, to follow, absolute.

Matt.11:14, "If ye will receive it." Luke 8:13. Acts 8:14, 11:1, 17:11.
1 Thes.1:6, 2:13. James 1:21, "Receive with meekness the engrafted word."

1 Cor.2:14, "The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit."

2 Cor.8:17, "He accepted." 2 Thes.2:10. Septuagint, for Hebrew, Prov.10:8, "The wise heart will receive commandments."

The second word.

Readiness, and Mind: 4288. Greek prothumia. Predisposition, readiness, alacrity of mind. Acts 17:11, "All readiness of mind." 2 Cor.8:11, "A readiness of will." 2 Cor.8:12, "Willing mind." 2 Cor.8:19, "Of your ready mind." 2 Cor.9:2, "The forwardness of your mind."

The third word is,

Search, or searched, Greek, anakrino. Synonyms are examine, investigate, inquire, judge, Intransitive verb that expresses action, that is limited to the agent. Transitive verb, expressing action that passes from the agent to the object, and absolute. Also as a past particle, expressing a completed action.

To separate or divide up; in N.T. as a metaphor. To examine carefully, to investigate, to inquire.

Genr. Acts 17:11, "Searched the Scriptures daily." 1 Cor.10:25-27, "Asking no questions," not anxiously inquiring, whether the meat had been offered to idols. Septuagint for Hebrew, 1 Sam.20:12. "Sounded my father" meaning to (searched out.)

The word is used in other verse in a forensic sense, as in "To judge," but not in Acts 17.

Phil LaSpino

I have always been interested in forensic science.
Thanks for that info

 

[Dorothea]

Where are Thekla and Philothei? The experts on the original Greek language in the Bible?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Where are Thekla and Philothei? The experts on the original Greek language in the Bible?

Letsame blow my trumpet to call 'em over here

Matthew 24:31 and He shall be sending His Messengers with a great trumpet sound
and they shall be upon-together-gathering the out called ones of Him out of the four winds, from extremities of heavens till the extremities of them.

Revelation 8:6 And the seven Messengers having the seven trumpets make ready themselves, that they should be trumpeting
[Joshua 6:4/Matt 24:31

 

[Dorothea]

Letsame blow my trumpet to call 'em over here

Matthew 24:31 and He shall be sending His Messengers with a great trumpet sound
and they shall be upon-together-gathering the out called ones of Him out of the four winds, from extremities of heavens till the extremities of them.

Revelation 8:6 And the seven Messengers having the seven trumpets make ready themselves, that they should be trumpeting
[Joshua 6:4/Matt 24:31

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

LittleLamb, Entering the discussion a bit late. But I would like to discuss three words found in Acts 17:11. The first is, received, The following comes from my web-site, "seekfirstwisdom." I only have 43 post, you can fill in the rest of my site.

The second word.

Readiness, and Mind: 4288. Greek prothumia. Predisposition, readiness, alacrity of mind. Acts 17:11, "All readiness of mind." 2 Cor.8:11, "A readiness of will." 2 Cor.8:12, "Willing mind." 2 Cor.8:19, "Of your ready mind." 2 Cor.9:2, "The forwardness of your mind."

Phil LaSpino

Thank you.
How about with "passion"?

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G4288 matches the Greek &#960;&#961;&#959;&#952;&#965;&#956;&#8055;&#945; (prothymia), which occurs 6 times in 5 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

4288. prothumia proth-oo-mee'-ah from 4289; predisposition, i.e. alacrity:--forwardness of mind, readiness (of mind), ready (willing) mind.
4289. prothumos proth'-oo-mos from 4253 and 2372; forward in spirit, i.e. predisposed; neuter (as noun) alacrity:--ready, willing.
4290. prothumos proth-oo'-moce adverb from 4289; with alacrity:--willingly.

4253. pro pro a primary preposition; "fore", i.e. in front of, prior (figuratively, superior) to:--above, ago, before, or ever. In the comparative, it retains the same significations.
2372. thumos thoo-mos' from 2380; passion (as if breathing hard):--fierceness, indignation, wrath. Compare 5590.

2372. thumos thoo-mos' from 2380; passion (as if breathing hard):--fierceness, indignation, wrath. Compare 5590.
2373. thumoo tho-mo'-o from 2372; to put in a passion, i.e. enrage:--be wroth.

 

[r035198x]

Thank you.
How about with "passion"?

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G4288 matches the Greek &#960;&#961;&#959;&#952;&#965;&#956;&#8055;&#945; (prothymia), which occurs 6 times in 5 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

4288. prothumia proth-oo-mee'-ah from 4289; predisposition, i.e. alacrity:--forwardness of mind, readiness (of mind), ready (willing) mind.
4289. prothumos proth'-oo-mos from 4253 and 2372; forward in spirit, i.e. predisposed; neuter (as noun) alacrity:--ready, willing.
4290. prothumos proth-oo'-moce adverb from 4289; with alacrity:--willingly.

4253. pro pro a primary preposition; "fore", i.e. in front of, prior (figuratively, superior) to:--above, ago, before, or ever. In the comparative, it retains the same significations.
2372. thumos thoo-mos' from 2380; passion (as if breathing hard):--fierceness, indignation, wrath. Compare 5590.

2372. thumos thoo-mos' from 2380; passion (as if breathing hard):--fierceness, indignation, wrath. Compare 5590.
2373. thumoo tho-mo'-o from 2372; to put in a passion, i.e. enrage:--be wroth.

I'm understanding, 'go with his arguments without any preconceived refutations at the time of receiving' and then only critique afterwards by validating with scripture.

Basically a non hostile reception which allowed them to fully understand what he was saying before trying to criticize.

2Co_8:12 For if there be first a willing mind,G4288 it is acceptedG2144

<can>
If you are willing to hear it you will accept it?
</can>

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Thank you.
How about with "passion"?

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I'm understanding, 'go with his arguments without any preconceived refutations at the time of receiving' and then only critique afterwards by validating with scripture.

Basically a non hostile reception which allowed them to fully understand what he was saying before trying to criticize.

2Co_8:12 For if there be first a willing mind,G4288 it is acceptedG2144

<can>
If you are willing to hear it you will accept it?
</can>

Yes, I am willing.......


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[prodromos]

A year and a half? Don't you usually let your threads sleep for longer?