A revived Roman Empire in Europe?

[Straightshot]

This is not going to happen .... the prophets are all focused upon Israel and Middle East

Holders of this ruse are desperately attempting to protect their false teaching on the matter even to the extent of making spurious adjustments to the Lord's more sure word of prophecy

If any on this forum have related questions I will respond

Nowhere in the writings of the prophets is Europe explicitly mentioned as having any significant impact on biblical prophecy, and especially not as it pertains to the emergence of Antichrist. Prophecy teacher, Bill Salus has already begun to allegorize prophetic scripture to justify a Roman Antichrist.

By including the Brexit event into prophetic narratives, Salus has ignored geographical boundaries, and exchanged Middle Eastern locations for western or European locations. This fundamental flaw in biblical exegesis only lends to the error of western Christians, who are being taught to look for the appearance of the man of sin in a region where he will not appear.

Do you believe the Lord still works through dreams and visions? Bill Salus does. A few months ago Bill awoke in the middle of the night after hearing these words in a dream—"The Now Prophecies". Bill was convinced it was a message straight from God.

Bill runs with the "rapture ready crowd" that needs to protect their bankrupt reformation theology of a Euro-centric Pope led "antichrist" for the fear of loosing credibility

In the coming weeks and months, expect an increase in false teachings, as western prophecy teachers once again champion the cause of a Roman Antichrist.

 

[Major1]

This is not going to happen .... the prophets are all focused upon Israel and Middle East

Holders of this ruse are desperately attempting to protect their false teaching on the matter even to the extent of making spurious adjustments to the Lord's more sure word of prophecy

If any on this forum have related questions I will respond

Nowhere in the writings of the prophets is Europe explicitly mentioned as having any significant impact on biblical prophecy, and especially not as it pertains to the emergence of Antichrist. Prophecy teacher, Bill Salus has already begun to allegorize prophetic scripture to justify a Roman Antichrist.

By including the Brexit event into prophetic narratives, Salus has ignored geographical boundaries, and exchanged Middle Eastern locations for western or European locations. This fundamental flaw in biblical exegesis only lends to the error of western Christians, who are being taught to look for the appearance of the man of sin in a region where he will not appear.

Do you believe the Lord still works through dreams and visions? Bill Salus does. A few months ago Bill awoke in the middle of the night after hearing these words in a dream—The Now Prophecies. Bill was convinced it was a message straight from God.

In the coming weeks and months, expect an increase in false teachings, as western prophecy teachers once again champion the cause of a Roman Antichrist.

Many believe that the Pope will be the Antichrist. I am not one of them, but It is interesting that from their own church historians they have said, “The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, Himself, hidden under the veil of human flesh“(Catholic National Magazine, 1895).

Pope Pius V was quoted as saying “The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth” (quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, Cities Petrus Bertanous).

I would also say that Mr. Salus does a good job with actual Scriptures and his understanding of Psalms 83 as a coming war of Ez. 38 is interesting.

 

[Straightshot]

The Pope and his "church" organization are severely apostate and far from biblical truth, but will not produce the "antichrist"

Satan's beast in the human little horn of Daniel's visions will arise in the Middle East according to the prophetic scriptures

 

[JM]

A Roman Empire need as state religion.

 

[Straightshot]

The cult religion of the "Assyrian" will be Islam [Daniel 7; 8; 11:36-45: 12:7; Micah 5:5-6; Psalms 83; Ezekiel 38; Revelation 13

 

[tz620q]

Many believe that the Pope will be the Antichrist. I am not one of them, but It is interesting that from their own church historians they have said, “The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, Himself, hidden under the veil of human flesh“(Catholic National Magazine, 1895).

From Radio Replies, a 1930's Catholic Apologist broadcast and found here

REPLY: A Protestant paper, the "Church Review," in England, October 3, 1895, charges Cardinal Sarto, Archbishop of Venice, with having uttered those words at Venice. Cardinal Sarto was elected Pope in 1903. But as soon as the charge was made in 1895 that Cardinal Sarto had said those words, inquiries were sent from England to Venice, and Cardinal Sarto produced the manuscript of his discourse. And this is what he actually did say:"The Pope REPRESENTS Jesus Christ Himself, and therefore is a loving father. The life of the Pope is a holocaust of love for the human family. His word is love; love, his weapon; love, the answer he gives to all who hate him; love, his flag, that is, the Cross, which signed the greatest triumph on Earth and in Heaven."

 

[Straightshot]

The Pope and his "church" will be victims of the coming Muslim "antichrist"

 

[Major1]

From Radio Replies, a 1930's Catholic Apologist broadcast and found here

REPLY: A Protestant paper, the "Church Review," in England, October 3, 1895, charges Cardinal Sarto, Archbishop of Venice, with having uttered those words at Venice. Cardinal Sarto was elected Pope in 1903. But as soon as the charge was made in 1895 that Cardinal Sarto had said those words, inquiries were sent from England to Venice, and Cardinal Sarto produced the manuscript of his discourse. And this is what he actually did say:"The Pope REPRESENTS Jesus Christ Himself, and therefore is a loving father. The life of the Pope is a holocaust of love for the human family. His word is love; love, his weapon; love, the answer he gives to all who hate him; love, his flag, that is, the Cross, which signed the greatest triumph on Earth and in Heaven."

I guess you are trying to refute Catholic traditions and doctrine.

Cardinal Sarto, who became Pope Pius X, said this:
When he said, "The Pope represents Jesus Christ Himself and therefore is a loving father"; isn't that saying He is infallible ???

In 1512 Christopher Marcellus said this to Pope Julius II:
"Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth".

Just recently, in 2004, Bishop Patrick Dunn of Auckland said this:
"It seems that Pope John Paul II now presides over the universal Church from his place upon Christ's cross."

 

[tz620q]

I guess you are trying to refute Catholic traditions and doctrine.

Cardinal Sarto, who became Pope Pius X, said this:
When he said, "The Pope represents Jesus Christ Himself and therefore is a loving father"; isn't that saying He is infallible ???

I was trying to correct an error in your previous post. I would stay off Seventh Day Adventist sites if I were you. They are full of errors like what you posted. Most of these errors have long since been refuted; but that doesn't keep people from using them as though they are factual.

I don't see how you can take the Cardinal saying that the Pope represents Jesus Christ as a loving father and get infallibility out of that. We all are representatives of Jesus Christ when we act as Christians to others. The Pope has a special place in the Catholic Church as our Holy Father. As a non-Catholic I don't see why that would bother you?

 

[GWBhanna]

I suggest you watch this to understand the hidden meaning in the word and what it says about the end of times.

1 Peter 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

The household of God is the church , and physically where Europe meets middle east, the ancient Babylon. And yes, the judgment has begun. with the Christians first. Those who call themselves Christians but do not obey
the gospel of God. So the things that are happening in Europe is already prophesied in the bible.
Antichrist, Europe...I was curious about this too. But I was only looking at the appearance about what is happening without understanding the true meaning of the Word. Even with the bible. I took it just literally. Looking at the text is to look at the outer appearance only
But when we only look at the outer appearance then we will never understand the will of God and about the times. And without the clear answers in the bible we will have the same questions with different views and opinion. But it's not about the opinion or perspective we have. It's about the truth. If we do not understand the truth then how will we keep the word? then we will pertain to those who do not obey the gospel of God and the disaster will befall us.

So I'm sharing the word that has helped me to finally understand the will of God, and about the time. and finally also why these things happen around us. Please don't judge lightly.

 

[Brian45]

The cult religion of the "Assyrian" will be Islam

Well it doe's say that Christians will be beheaded , and some how I just have difficulty seeing the French guillotine put back in action.

 

[Straightshot]

Revelation 13 and 20 describes the methodology of Mohammed's teaching for killing infidels employed by Satan's beast and false prophet

 

[Revealing Times]

The Scriptures are as plain as day. The Anti-Christ will be/Was born in Greece. He will arise out of the Fourth Beasts Remnant just like Daniel 7 says. He will not be a Pope but a Gov. leader. He will not be a Muslim, nor can he be, all of Islam will be wiped out by the Anti-Christ, who comes against Jews, Christians and ALL RELIGIONS because he will demand to be worshiped as the ONLY GOD !! He will entice the Muslim Nations to come against Israel with him, even though he has wiped out Islam, they still HATE ISRAEL. So Armageddon is the Europeans enticing the Kings of the East (Muslim Hordes) to come against Israel. But of course Jesus destroys them. There is no 200 Million Horsemen Army, that happens in Rev. 9, at the 6th Trumpet, not at the 6th Vial. The 200 Million Horsemen are agents of God.

It is becoming sad that Christendom has 100's of beliefs, when the Holy Spirit directs us one way.

 

[Douggg]

This is not going to happen .... the prophets are all focused upon Israel and Middle East

Jesus was born and lived his 33 years in the days of the middle east empires - and not the Roman Empire?

Well it doe's say that Christians will be beheaded , and some how I just have difficulty seeing the French guillotine put back in action.

How did John the Baptist die? By a muslim?

 

[Douggg]

This is not going to happen .... the prophets are all focused upon Israel and Middle East

Nowhere in the writings of the prophets is Europe explicitly mentioned as having any significant impact on biblical prophecy, and especially not as it pertains to the emergence of Antichrist. Prophecy teacher, Bill Salus has already begun to allegorize prophetic scripture to justify a Roman Antichrist.

By including the Brexit event into prophetic narratives, Salus has ignored geographical boundaries, and exchanged Middle Eastern locations for western or European locations. This fundamental flaw in biblical exegesis only lends to the error of western Christians, who are being taught to look for the appearance of the man of sin in a region where he will not appear.

When the 70 weeks in Daniel 9 reached the end of the 69th and Jesus crucified the counting of the weeks stopped. What empire was in place, uncontested at the time? Roman Empire.

Now doesn't it make sense that since Israel is back in place, so that the 70th week can begin, after the 2000 year time out - would it not also make sense that the end time Roman Empire be the occupier of the middle east, the lands around Israel, when the 70th week begins?

Muslim beast person? no. How about the Solomon 666 financial system?
I am thinking Solomon may be the name of the person.

 

[Straightshot]

There is nothing in any prophetic vision of the Lord's Bible prophets between the end of the 69th week decreed and the beginning of the 70th .... so placing historical events within this breach are all bogus

This period is called the Lord's dispensation of grace and the prophets are all silent .... this period was not revealed to them

And the Lord Himself does the same in His discourse .... He projects the time of the end principally related to Israel during the coming 70th week that He has decreed for His nation

You will not find the next rulers of the Middle East in any prophetic scripture .... there were several including Rome and after

From the Arabian to the British ... nothing

Neither are the major events of the crusades, inquisitions, WW1, WW2, or even the recent wars in the Middle East .... none are there

Ancient Rome is in the dust bin of History never to rule the Middle East again

All of the events that are contained in the visions of the prophets for the coming 70th week are still pending

And none of them include a revived Roman Empire .... all of the related descriptions speak of a Middle Eastern kingdom, not a Euro-centric kingdom

If you do not understand this truth you will never render the prophetic scriptures correctly .... most of the divides of professing Christianity do not understand

 

[Douggg]

Ancient Rome is in the dust bin of History never to rule the Middle East again

All of the events that are contained in the visions of the prophets for the coming 70th week are still pending

And none of them include a revived Roman Empire .... all of the related descriptions speak of a Middle Eastern kingdom, not a Euro-centric kingdom

You are just making declarations hoping that will carry the day. It won't.

The Roman empire was in power, and occupying the middle east before the 2000 year timeout took place, and now it is back in place as the EU, along with Israel.

The Roman empire was also at its zenith when John received Revelation.

Roman empire + Israel.......2000 year timeout......Roman Empire + Israel.

Revelation 13, with 42 months left, end times Roman Empire occupying the territories of the Medes-Persians, Greek, Babylonian empires, the middle east.

 

[Straightshot]

Nay Doug

Prophecy has a scope of coverage as it is presented and contains nothing about ancient Rome by description, or any subsequent rulers and related historical in the Middle East up to this very day

.... the 70th week has not yet begun and is still pending, the balance of unfulfilled prophecy does not begin until the 70th week decreed and beyond is envoked by the Lord

The breach in the scope is intentional and obvious as presented in the prophetic scriptures

Your application of the visions simply does not fit for many reasons

Here are just two examples that you have no explanation for

From Antiochus IV [Daniel 11:21-35] ............. directly to end time little horn and king of the northern Middle East [DAniel 7; 8; 11:36]

The battle between the little horn of the northern kingdom [iron leg] and the king of the southern kingdom [the other iron leg] at the time of the end during the 70th week [Daniel 11:40; 42]

The iron legs of the image are simply not ancient Rome in battle against its self, or of a Euro-centric revived Rome in the future

There are a number of other examples in the visions that are void of either the ancient Rome of the past, or of the future .... not there

The Lord's prophetic word is one thing, past historical events are another .... not the same

All of His prophetic word is verified by matching historical events 100%, however, not all of history is covered in the visions

Men's speculations of events arbitrarily inserted do not make up a part of the scope of the visions

Attempting to do this has created much confusion and division and the motivations are all self serving for creating proprietary theologies

You do the same thing that Bill Salus and David Reagan do by adding and inserting unsupported events, and this practice should never be committed

 

[Revealing Times]

You are just making declarations hoping that will carry the day. It won't.

The Roman empire was in power, and occupying the middle east before the 2000 year timeout took place, and now it is back in place as the EU, along with Israel.

The Roman empire was also at its zenith when John received Revelation.

Roman empire + Israel.......2000 year timeout......Roman Empire + Israel.

Revelation 13, with 42 months left, end times Roman Empire occupying the territories of the Medes-Persians, Greek, Babylonian empires, the middle east.

You are correct, Daniel 7 tells us exactly what power the Little Horn arises out of. We had a few wars with Muslims, we get a few people that give a Muslim angle, and boom, people jump on a false narrative. Remember, Satan never stops deceiving.

Not only will Islamist's or Muslims have nothing to do with the Last Beast Power, but this last Head or 7th Head will destroy Islam and subjugate them. No where in all the bible is a Muslim/Arab Beast mentioned. You have to follow about 10 misconceptions to even get on a path towards this. And its illogical to boot. It could never happen in the real world.

 

[Straightshot]

Explain who Satan's beast is in scripture RT

And how do you know that this beast will destroy Islam

And what are the 10 misconceptions that you note .... list them