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A preachers' beautiful feet

Discussion in 'Spirit-Filled / Charismatic' started by murjahel, Sep 21, 2011.

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    WHAT ARE ‘BEAUTIFUL FEET’?

    Romans 10:15
    "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, who bring glad tidings of good things.

    Preachers have ‘beautiful feet’. That is a strange statement. I read, re-read, and studied it, and tried to figure out what it meant. My feet are not so pretty. I have seen many feet in my life, and have not found a ‘pretty’ set yet. So, what is the Scripture saying?

    The calling of ‘preacher’ elevates one to a spiritual state of having beautiful feet, at least in some spiritual way. One that comes with ‘good news’ was welcomed in those days.

    Messages did not arrive on one’s smart phone, their computer, their mail box, etc... No, messages were sent by foot, to run to the recipient, perhaps miles away.

    To watch a runner coming, to anticipate their soon arrival, to see that lonely, tired, runner coming from the valley, up to the mountainous home, was a pleasant sight, if the news were good.

    The foot washing sign of welcome that was done, made the recipient of the message to see the tired, aching, blistered, and dirty feet of the messenger.

    While he was washing those feet, his thoughts were ‘how beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news of peace.’

    In our age, we don’t see the tired achy feet of the preachers. The pulpit hides their feet from us. Shoes cover better than sandals of old. The pulpit holds up the tired minister that spent hours with the Lord, and with His Written Word, getting this gospel of peace that he is delivering in his sermon. His spiritual feet are still beautiful.

    Romans 10:15 starts with ‘how shall they preach except them be sent?’ The word for ‘preach’ there is kerusso, meaning ‘to herald as a public crier’, to proclaim divine truth.’ This is the ministry of one called to preach.

    The spiritual feet of such a ‘preacher’ are ‘beautiful.’ The word for ‘beautiful is the Greek word ‘horaios. This means ‘timely, flourishing, beautiful." Because the message of preachers is timely, and God’s Word brings ‘life’ to make it flourishing, it is a beautiful message.

    The words ‘those that preach the gospel’ is actually one Greek word, the word euaggelizo.’ We get from it, the word ‘evangelize’. It means to preach, proclaim, declare glad news’.

    The news in a sermon is ‘peace’. Peace is the Greek word ‘eirene’ meaning quietness, rest, set as stable again.’ The result of the message of preachers is always to be ‘peace’. Jesus said ‘peace’ to the storm on the sea, and the waves calmed, the wind stopped, the boat made it to shore. His goal with us is the same. The waves of life, the winds of changing and threatening events, are meant to be made to ‘peace’ by the sermons of preachers.

    Romans also said it is to bring us ‘good things’ which is the Greek word ‘agathos’. This word means ‘of benefit, beneficial’. God calls some to bring messages, that may sound scary as they describe the problem, but the solution to the problem discussed in the sermon is always ‘beneficial, good, and engenders peace.

    Paul likened himself to a ‘runner’ with a message several times in Scripture.

    Philippians 3:14
    "I press toward the mark for the prize of the highcalling of God in Christ Jesus.’

    Paul rushed with a message, given by God, for him to preach. He calls that job to be a ‘high calling’. The ministry of preaching is a ‘high calling’. It should be appreciated, loved, and supported by the recipients. But even if it is not, it is a calling from God, and He loves, blesses and rewards the ones who use their spiritual feet to get the message of good, peaceful news to the world.

    II Timothy 4:7
    "I have run my race...’

    Paul compares his run with the sermons he preached to an olympic race. He knew the crowds were watching, and he knew that God was also observing.

    Hebrews 12:1
    "...so great a cloud of witnesses, so let us run with patience (endurance) the race...’

    We are watched as we preach. We may not run any longer with the message, we use cars, planes, keyboards, internet, telephone, radio, television, etc to take the messages that God gives. The 'feet' are a bit changed in our day... but still,
    how 'beautiful' are those spiritual feet that carry the good, peaceful, wonderful news about the salvation that Jesus offers to all, so that we may avoid that horrible place of hell. That message is wonderful, and the 'feet' of the carriers of that message are 'beautiful' says God's Word.
     
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    if those are your feet,
    then perhaps this is the first error in the Bible,
    for those are not beautiful feet...

    but maybe your calling is not preaching...
    LOL
     
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    Paul was quoting from Isaiah’s words when he spoke of the ‘beautiful feet’. Isaiah was also quoted by Nahum. So, the illustration of ‘feet’ being ‘beautiful’ in that day, due to the message being carried being so desirable, is one that is not so easily observed today. Yet the truth remains, and we need to understand this passage better, for it is important enough, that God had it put in Scripture three times.

    Isaiah prophesied from the death of Uzziah, through the life of Hezekiah, and into the reign of Manasseh. Nahum was from Galilee, and prophesied until the fifteenth year of Hezekiah.

    Since Nahum lived in the same years as Isaiah was prophesying, the words of Isaiah must have been carried about, by messengers, or Nahum must have visited Isaiah, for they were contemporaries. Joel and Micaiah also were from that period, and the words of one prophet seems to have been heeded and studied by the various prophets.

    Isaiah 52:7 (KJV)
    7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!

    Nahum 1:15 (KJV)
    15 Behold upon the mountains the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace! O Judah, keep thy solemn feasts, perform thy vows: for the wicked shall no more pass through thee; he is utterly cut off.

    Paul had left out the "mountains part", but the runners with messages had to often be running up the mountains to the cities. The ones watching the ascent of the tired carriers of the messages, would appreciate the hard w ork of the messenger.

    This passage from Isaiah, Nahum, and Paul is reflective of that appreciation.

    The Hebrew word for ‘beautiful’ is ‘naa’, meaning ‘to be pleasant, suitable, beautiful.’ The thing they saw as ‘beautiful’ were the ‘feet’.

    Isaiah said that those that ‘bring good tidings’ and ‘publish peace’, and ‘bring good tidings of good’, that publish salvation, and that announce ‘God reigns’ are the ones with the beautiful feet.

    ‘Basar’ means to ‘announce good tidings’. Shama means ‘to publish’ peace (shalom, happiness, peace, safety). The ‘good things’ discussed are ‘tob’ meaning good things, good men, good women.

    The gospel preached does promote the good results of this message, there are good men, good women, and good results to the message. The ‘salvation’ that Isaiah prophesied about being the ‘message’ is the Hebrew word ‘yeshua’, which is the same word as the word we call ‘Jesus’. Knowingly, or unknowingly, this was a prophetic announcement of the message of all preachers today.

    Then we are told in this passage that our ‘God reigns’, meaning that this ‘Yeshua’ we preach will reign (Hebrew, malak, meaning ‘to ascend the throne’). Our Jesus has ascended the throne, and is seated now next to God the Father, ruling and reigning.

    The 'beautiful feet' belong to the ones carrying this wonderful message of Jesus, of His salvation, of His blessings for us.
     
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    THE NEED OF KEEPING OUR FEET CLEAN
     
    Jesus said in John 13:10:
    9 Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
    10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

    So, the feet need frequent washing. This was true literally, for they wore sandals, and the roads were dusty, dirty, muddy. So, often they had to clean their feet. Spiritually, this is also true, for we walk in a dirty world of sin and rebellion against God. We are defiled by the contact with the world. So the frequent washings spiritually help make us the preachers with beautiful feet that God wants us to be.

    The word for ‘clean’ is ‘katharis’, meaning ‘pure, clean from anything that soils or corrupts.’ We are ‘clean’ from sin and its curse at salvation. But there is the often defilement from our own sins, and from the sinful environment of the world around us.
     
    In the Old Testament, God had them build a laver, a wash basin made from the shiny brass looking glasses of the women. These bronze mirrors were items of luxury. The laver made from these held water for the priests to wash their hands and feet, whenever they noticed soil or dust upon them.

    If they failed to wash their hands and feet when they noticed the soil upon them, they would drop dead. God would not allow the priestly ministry to be done by soiled priests.
    God is still adamant on having His preachers to be pure and clean. No preacher is perfect though. Thus we must constantly re-clean our hands feet in the laver of the Word of God. Study of, love for, obedience to ... the Word of God will cleanse us over and over during the preaching ministry.
     
    Ephesians 5:26-27 (KJV)
    26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
    27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
     
    The washing of the preachers’ feet is a mandatory feature of those in this preaching ministry.

    Another passage of the Word, instructs preachers who go about preaching that if they come to a place where the preaching is rejected, to ‘shake the dust off’ and depart.

    Preachers do not preach to those who do not want to hear, who refuse the message of the preacher. One needs to shake that dust of rejection off, and move on. We force no one to accept, we do not waste our time on rejecters. We find those who will listen, will accept, and we disciple them to do the same.
     
    Luke 9:5 (KJV)
    5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.
     
     
     
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    THESE BEAUTIFUL FEET NEED SHOD

    Ephesians 6:10-18 (KJV)
    10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
    11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
    12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
    13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
    14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
    15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
    16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
    17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
    18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

    We need to ‘whole armor’ but we also need to remember that the ‘feet’ need ‘shod’ with the ‘preparation of the gospel of peace.’ If we are to proclaim, as preachers, the ‘peace’, we need to be prepared in the Word of God.

    The truth of the Word protects our feet as we walk in this defiling world. We are stronger and more prepared for the battle, when our feet are shod.
     
    Psalm 91:13 (KJV)
    13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
     
    Luke 10:19 (KJV)
    19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

    Preachers need to be stomping with these beautiful feet all over the serpents and scorpions (devils and demons). We are not to be intimidated, we have the feet shod with the Word, and we can walk over the enemy.

    We do not need to fear being hurt by these demons, for our feet are not unprotected.

    In fact, the devil is scared, for we are going to use these ‘beautiful feet’ to bruise his head.

    Romans 16:20 (KJV)
    20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
     
     
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    IMO, there's a lot of superstition about the devil -- on both sides of the issue. Some have an unwholesome fear of him and some disregard him altogether. Most Christians, I think, have a complete misconception of him. IMO, the devil has no power over those of us who have believed on Christ other than his ability to deceive us into hurting ourselves--that wicked one cannot touch us because we, through Christ, have overcome him (1 John 5.18; 2.13). I love the old story of Martin Luther who awoke one night to see the devil at the end of his bed. "Oh! It's only you!" he said and went back to sleep. The only power the devil has over believers is the power we are deceived into giving him.

    ~Jim
     
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    The Bible is God’s sermon.

    Preachers are to use His sermon, His rhema, and add to it, what He speaks to our hearts, and is confirmed by His Written Word, and with this total counsel, and in His anointing deliver sermons from our mouths, our pens, our keyboards.

    2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV)
    16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
    17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


    So, the Word of God ‘furnishes’ us with what we need. It is profitable for preaching doctrine, for reproving, for correcting, for instructing. It fills the heart and mind of the preacher and comes flowing as rhema out of the heart of the preacher.

    Isaiah 55:11 (KJV)
    11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

    God’s Word accomplishes what God intends for it to do. Preachers preach that Word, and even coming from the mouth of the preacher, it still has all the power of when it came originally from God.

    Hebrews 4:12 (KJV)
    12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    The Word of God, written, or spoken by the preacher is still quick, powerful, piercing, discerning. The sermons of preachers, because they are the rhema of God, have power beyond the most eloquent of speeches by the scholars of the day.
     
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    Do the feet need to me 'male feet'
    to be 'beautiful?' LOL
    Well, I have not found 'beautiful feet' on men or women physically, but the 'beautiful feet' spiritually can be on men or women...

    Yes... women can preach.

    It is not by the gender that I decide which preachers I choose to hear... Some men may be heretics, and I choose not to listen to them. Gender does not make on inspired, anointed or able to claim to be truth. Women also may be heretics or true preachers. The gender is not the determining factor.

    There are women who are called by God to preach. There has been for millennia. This is not new. The subject of women has long been debated in Christian circles. The church has backslidden from the truth proclaimed by the Word of God. The Word of God proclaims that God does not see us as male or female. He sees us all as equals, regardless of the gender. So why would God favor one gender over another? He does not, and when Christians teach otherwise, they are misapplying, and misinterpreting Scriptures.


    Galatians 3:28
    "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

    In the church that Jesus heads, there is no room for prejudices, bias, and discrimination. Jesus brought equality of the races, of the various social classes, of both genders into the church. If the church reverts back to the carnal bias of cultures, it hurts the church and its ministry. The prejudice also grieves the Holy Spirit, Who is the power Source of the church.

    All races, classes, and sexes are equal in rights and privileges. In Christianity, there is an equality for women that is unlike any other culture of the past. In the Bible days, women were thought to be inferior to men. They walked humbly behind their mate. They served him in total subjection and fear. If he chose, he could divorce her for combing her hair in an unpleasing manner. He could send her from his home and from his life with a few words.


    Then came Jesus. He taught a new equality for women. He taught that God saw all of mankind as equal. The women were delighted in that day.

    Moses prayed long ago,
    ‘Would to God that all of the Lord’s people (men and women, bond and free, Jew and Gentile, all races) were prophets, and that God would put His Spirit upon them."
    Numbers 11:29

    Joel prophesied that in the last days, men and women would prophesy.
     
    Joel 2:28
    "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My Spirit upon ALL flesh, your sons and DAUGHTERS shall PROPHESY..."

    We see the beginning of this last day fulfillment started in the Book of Acts 2:16-21
    "... and on My servants and HANDMAIDS, I will pour out My Spirit,
    and they SHALL PROPHESY..."


    Yet, despite this plain prophetic word, that there would be women prophets, for a long time, false teaching about women, has hindered their ministry.

    Jesus said ‘Preach the gospel’ (Mark 16:15), and He did not limit it to men. The command must be obeyed by both men and women.
     
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    Paul said women ‘prophesy’.

    In I Corinthians 11:5, he said that ‘for every woman that prayeth or prophesieth..." So, women in Corinth were not told to stop prophesying.

    The Hebrew word ‘nebrah’ and the Greek word ‘proph’ are used for ‘prophetess’ and a female preacher.

    The word ‘prophesy’ indicates divine inspiration.
    A woman can be divinely inspired, and who can object?
    If God chose to inspire a woman to prophesy, preach, to ‘every creature’, we have no right in the church to limit, hinder, or deny that calling of women.

    1 Corinthians 14:3 (KJV)
    But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

    Since prophesying is ‘edification, exhortation, and comfort', then it is also ‘preaching’.
    How could anyone edify, exhort, and comfort without preaching?
    The ministry of preaching includes those three things of necessity.
    Not one Scripture in the Bible prohibits women from preaching the gospel.
    In fact, if there were even one passage, then it would have many passages that would disagree with it, and the Word of God is harmonnious, not disagreeing with itself.

    Acts 10:34
    "Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth, I perceive that God is no respecter of persons..."

    All races, all ages, both genders are loved alike by God, are called to ministry alike by God.

    God used a ‘rod’ (Exodus 4),
    He used a donkey (Numbers 22),
    He used ravens (I Kings 17),
    He used a rooster (Mark 14),
    and He uses men and women,
    educated and uneducated, rich and poor.

    Today, in Christianity, we find the doctrines of putting women as inferior to men, having crept back into the dogmas of congregations. This is regrettable and sinful. It is contrary to the true teachings of the Bible. All Christians are as one in God's eyes. He does not care what your profession is, and He does not care what your skin color is. He does not care if you are Jewish or Gentile, and He does not care if you are male or female.

    Romans 2:11
    "For there is no respect of persons with God."

    Ephesians 6:9
    "...neither is there respect of persons with Him."

    I Peter 1:17
    "And if ye call on the Father, Who without respect of persons judgeth..."

    How many times does God have to have that statement in the Bible? Still with the four times shown here, we find some who preach and teach that God sees women as inferior to man, and unable to preach.

    Can God be any clearer? Does He need to put handwriting on the walls of the buildings of the congregations of today?

    The truth of the New Testament's teaching is that God sees no difference in the rights and privileges of men or women.

    The congregations of Christianity have often perverted some of the Scriptures. Many have tried to teach that women are inferior to men.

    Let's look at the Scriptures and examine their teachings. (stay tuned)
     
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    let us look at the question of women preachers.

    Reasons for women preachers:

    I. The Spirit was proclaimed to be poured out on women, and they are supposed to prophesy, and preach. If it only takes two or three to make a church, how are they to prophesy if not within a church?
     
    The word ‘prophesy’ means to speak God’s rhema. There is no limitation as to it being to only one gender. I Corinthians 14:4 says that one ‘who prophesies, edifies the church.’ Prophesying is done in a church. A church is where two or three gather in Jesus’ name, and therefore, women must be in a church in order to prophesy.

    II. In I Corinthians 12, Paul compares the church to a body, and all parts (men and women) are members of the body and are to function as the Lord directs.

    III. Women were used of God in the Old Testament and in the New Testament as prophetesses, preachers.
    The last age has seen such false teaching about women, and their callings to speak in the church, that we have much forgotten that God is no respecter of persons.


    There are many women preachers in Scripture:

    1. Miriam (Exodus 15:20)
    "And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances."

    She was a prophetess, preacher, and worship leader.

    2. Deborah (Judges 4:4)

    Would God have inspired Deborah to do something sinful? She ruled men and women for 40 years. She gave orders from God to the army and its leaders. She was an evangelist, a prophetess, a judge, and a preacher. God gave her authority over the mighty. (Judges 5:13)

    3. Huldah (II Kings 22:14, II Chronicles 34:22)

    She preached to a congregation of men about the law. Her message brought a revival.

    2 Chronicles 34:20-22 (KJV)
    And the king commanded Hilkiah, and Ahikam ...saying,
    Go, enquire of the LORD for me, and for them that are left in Israel and in Judah,...
    And Hilkiah, and they that the king had appointed, went to Huldah the prophetess,..."

    The men were sent to a prophetess, to inquire of God, and she spoke to the men concerning the message that God gave her for them.

    4. Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz (Isaiah’s wife) (Isaiah 8:3)

    She was a prophetess, and preached alongside Isaiah.

    5. Elisabeth (Lk 1:41-45)

    She preached a sermon to Mary, and her husband, and the babe in her womb jumped and somersaulted at the words of it.

    6. Mary, mother of Jesus (Lk 1:46-55)

    She preached to Joseph, she was first pastor and preacher to Jesus, she preached to her other sons, who finally came to the Lord after Jesus’ resurrection.

    7. In the gospels, several women preachers proclaimed the good news. (Matt. 28:1-10, Lk. 24:9-11, Jn. 4:28:-30, Jn. 20:16-18)

    One of these was Mary Magdalene. She was given the first resurrection sermon by Jesus, told to take it to a group of men, and there proclaim, preach that word. That was quite a church service. I imagine no one thought to complain it was delivered by a woman. The bias was not there. Jesus had chosen the vessel to be the preacher of that first resurrection service.

    8. Philip’s four daughters (Acts 21:9)

    Acts 21:8-9 (KJV)
    And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.
    And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.

    Paul was a man, Philip was a man, there were others in Paul’s ‘company’ that were men. These four daughters of Philip prophesied while all those men were in the church service.

    9. Anna (Luke 2:36-38)

    She stayed in the Temple. Her sermons had to be preached there. She spoke prophetically about the soon birth of the Messiah. She proved it was God inspiring her sermons by the sign following that she would see the Messiah before she died.
     
    10. Phebe, Priscilla, Mary, Tryphena, Tryphosa, Persis, and Julia (Romans 16)

    Romans 16:1-2 (KJV)
    I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant (diakonos) of the church which is at Cenchrea:
    That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

    The word ‘servant’ there is the same as the word used for Philip, who preached in Samaria, and to the Ethiopian eunuch. It is used of Stephen, who preached till his stoning. Are we to believe Phebe, with that same ministry did it without preaching?

    11. Euodias and Syntyche are mentioned as leaders of the church in Philippi.

    Philippians 4:2-3 (KJV)
    I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord.
    And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel...

    Those two women had ‘labored’ with Paul. They were co-workers in the church. They had authority to speak, to have opinions, to work with Paul in ministry. They had come to some disagreement, and Paul was encouraging some ‘help’ for them. They were not to be the ‘helpers’ for the ‘others’ i.e. the men and women of the church to be the helpers of these women in their leadership of the church.

    12. Corinthian women

    They prophesied and prayed in church. (I Cor. 11:4-5) ( I Cor. 14:34-35 refers to women who talked out loud to husbands across the room during the service, thus interrupting the preacher. )

    A prophetess is a woman who prophesies. Prophesying and preaching both involve speaking words inspired and authorized by God. So, the women who prophesied had to have also preached. There have been many, there will be many, many more women preachers.
     
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    I love that
     
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    Christian women in the early church period after the close of our canon of Scripture
     
    Blandina died in 177 AD, she was a famous martyr in France, died for her preaching of Jesus.

    Perpetua and Felicitas died early in the second century as martyrs for their preaching.
    There were many more, far too many to name.
     

    In later ages, God found women to answer His calling to preach.
     
    Anne Hutchinson was a preacher in the seventeenth century in Massachusetts.

    Margaret Fell co-founded the Quakers with George Fox. One of the books she authored was called ‘Women Speaking Justified, Proved and Knowed of the Scriptures’.

    Many of the Methodists preachers in the 18th century were women.

    Catherine Booth was a preacher. She married William Booth and at first he disagreed with her being a preacher, until he heard her preach, and then changed his mind. They founded the Salvation Army.

    Agnes Ozman was one of the first preachers in the revival of pentecost early in the 1900's.

    Aimee Semple McPherson was probably one of the most popular women preachers in the 20th century.

    Now in the 21st century, we have many women preachers. And more are n the way, for the call of God is upon men and women for this final age.

    Anne Graham Lotz, daughter of Billy Graham, has related that her father and mother disapproved of her, a woman, being a preacher. When they heard her preach, they changed their mind, and ‘could see that God had called’ her.
     
     
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    The reason some think God excluded women from preaching:
    Some, to excuse the teaching of not allowing women to preach, use I Timothy 2, and its mention of Eve’s sin. They totally misconstrue the message of that passage in trying to affirm a reason for their bias against women.

    1 Timothy 2:10-15 (KJV)
    10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
    11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
    12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
    13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
    14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
    15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

    The false idea that women are forbidden to preach is Scripture-
    less, there is no Scripture to validate a ‘why’ on that. Some use I Timothy 2:10-15, saying that there it shows Eve had the greater wrong in the garden, and women ever since are being punished by not being allowed to preach. They justify their exclusion of women as being based on that passage. They misconstrue some words, they miss the whole point of that passage. There are many wrong suppositions, some statements totally in conflict with Bible passages in that explanation. Let me explain.

    Genesis 2:16-18 (KJV)
    16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
    17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
    18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

    Notice the command not to eat of the tree was given to Adam. He alone heard the command direct from God. Eve had not yet been made from Adam’s rib. So, Eve heard the command only from Adam.

    This was their only test to pass. If they could have not eaten of that tree... all other righteousness would have been natural. Yet, as easy as it was, mankind failed.

    The devil came to Eve, who would be more easily tempted, due to her having heard the command second hand, not from God Himself, but only as passed on to her from Adam.

    Genesis 3:6
    "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and the tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."

    Adam and Eve were created without sin, but had the power of choice. If God had not given the power to mankind to choose sin or righteousness, mankind would have simply been robots. God's purpose was to see if mankind could remain innocent, and be true to God's trust, and thereby remain perfect under all conditions. Mere untried virtue does not deserve the name. Goodness is not a passive quality, but a deliberate choice between right and wrong.

    It took the devil, and his insinuations against what Adam had told her, and his tempting her to find something more that would be good for her and her husband, to bring Eve to her failure.

    For Adam, he had knowledge of what God had said, and the temptation of ‘’did God really say?’, and ‘did God really mean?’ should not have tempted him. His failure was a knowledge failure. He knew he was doing evil. He knew of a certainty that God had truly revealed the evil nature of disobedience, and its consequences. Eve was sinning in some ignorance, some lack of full knowledge. Adam was sinning willfully, in order to please his wife.

    In Paul’s day, the women were not educated in the same way men were, and they were ignorant of many Bible passages. They needed to learn, now that Jesus had come and was calling many women to ministry, as well as the men.

    Jesus had complimented Mary, and mildly scolded Martha. For Mary sat at Jesus’ feet to learn, to gain knowledge. We find in the New Testament some women had been learning, though the society and culture of that day did not encourage such.

    Priscilla took Apollos and taught him what he had failed to learn. The wise and scholarly Apollos learned from one of the first women preachers.

    Concerning the problem of women in church services who would freely, and with the authority they now had, question their husbands, interrupting the service to do so, Paul had to explain to Timothy what to do. The women were told to be ‘silent’ during the service, and at home ask their husbands the questions that arose during the sermon. That way they could ‘learn’, and thereby be able to teach and preach themselves after their learning process.

    1 Timothy 2:11-15 (KJV)
    11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
    12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
    13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
    14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
    15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

    This says that Adam ‘was not deceived’. In other words he sinned knowingly. Eve was ‘deceived’ and sinned in ignorance of the full import of what she was doing. The word ‘deceived’ used of Adam and Eve is the same, it is the Greek word, apatao meaning to beguile, to deceive, to delude. Adam was not ‘deluded’, Eve was ‘deluded’.


    2 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV)
    3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled (exapatao, wholly deluded) Eve through his subtility (panorgia, trickery, craftiness), so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

    The Bible is very clear that Eve sinned in deception, but Adam was not deceived, not deluded. He sinned knowingly. That is why the Bible speaks firmly about the guilt of the sin being more on Adam than on Eve.

    I Cor. 15:22
    "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."
    It does not say, ‘as in Eve, all die’. Yet, some male declaration of women not preaching wants to put the blame mostly on Eve. God saw it as man’s willful sin that brought death into the world. Eve does not escape punishment for her sin, but it was lesser a sin, and spoken of in lesser condemnation than was Adam’s sin.

    "Adam was not deceived." Rather, he was willing to go against God’s way to have his own way, no matter what God had prohibited. This was a calculated aforethought of defiance and rebellion against God.
    By Adam's sin came physical death upon a mankind. Also spiritual death ensued. This death passed upon all of mankind since. Yet, God says in the Word, that ‘Adam’ is the main culprit in these sins of the two, not Eve. So, if her sin is why she cannot preach, what punishment is for the greater sinner here?

    Romans 5:12-21
    "Wherefore by one man, sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned... For if through the offense of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many... judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offenses unto justification .... Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of One, the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience, man were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous..."

    The freedom and equality in Christianity overjoyed the women of that day. They began to go unveiled as a token of their equality with men. This brought great outrage from the society. Paul had to speak several times to the subject. Here, to Timothy, and to us, Paul shows that God intends woman to learn, and since ignorance of the Word of God in the garden led to her failure, women should learn diligently.

    The learning should not interrupt the services though, and Paul was instructing the men, to ignore society and its culture, and to teach the wife at home.

    People are quick to seize on particular Scriptures which seem to fit their wishes and ignore other Scriptures which seem to disagree with their desires. It is intellectually dishonest to divide and interpret the Word to suit our convenience. Some who have wanted to have men as the despotic bosses of women, and put women into a role of subservience have grasped from the chapter an excuse, and twisted the meaning of Paul into a view that has resulted in unhappy marriages, and doctrinal divisions.
     
    When it says that Eve ‘sinned’, it is the Greek word parabasis. It does not excuse her sin, but conveys a certain kind of sin. Parabasis means "overpassing of a line, stepping over a boundary." Just as there is a normal tendency to touch the wall where one sees a "WET PAINT" sign, so people are often tempted to step past the boundaries that God has set up for us.

    When one sees a sign that says "NO FISHING", one naturally begins to wonder how good the fishing would be there. It is a fact that God has set up boundaries for us. He wants to protect us from areas that would do us harm. He has drawn lines of separation, and does not want us to trespass on territory that is dangerous.

    Eve was told of the ‘boundary’ and was tempted to sin. She yielded. This was beyond excuse.

    Romans 4:15
    "for where no law is, there is no transgression. (stepping over the boundary)"

    Romans 2:23
    "... through breaking the law (stepping over the boundary) dishonourest thou God..."

    Many people are like the three prospective stagecoach drivers who applied for the position. The three were asked how close they could come to the edge of the cliff with the stagecoach without falling over the cliff. The first thought he had to impress in order to get the job, so he bragged - "I could come within three feet, easily." The second thought he had to do better if he wanted the job. He answered, "I could come within one foot!" The third said, "I'd stay as far from the edge as I could!" The third one was hired. God wants us to see how far we can stay from sin and from parabasis. He does not want us walking so close to the boundary that we occasionally step over. Parabasis is sin.

    Eve was deluded, beguiled, tricked, and sinned the ‘parabasis’ sin. Adam was not deluded and beguiled. He knew what he was doing. His sin was different.

    Romans 5:12 ‘whereby by one man sin entered....
    This word for Adam’s sin is hamartia and means ‘missing the target’. Adam had been told what to do, and the consequences of not doing it. He failed in that, and it was hamartia sin.

    It is also referred to as an ‘offense’, which is another Greek word for sin.

    Romans 5:15 (KJV)
    15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

    The word ‘OFFENSE’ is the Greek word paraptoma. Paraptoma means "failing where one should have stood upright."

    Ephesians 2:1
    "And you hath He quickened who were dead in trespasses (falling when you should have stood) and sins (hamartia)."

    Romans 14:23
    "Whatsoever is not of faith is sin (falling where one should have stood upright)."

    Galatians 6:1
    "Now if a man be overtaken in a fault (falling where he should have stood upright), ye that are spiritual restore such a one in the spirit of meekness, considering thyself, less thou also be tempted."

    Matthew 6:14
    "For if ye forgive men their trespasses (falling where they should have stood upright), your heavenly Father will also forgive you."

    How often we misunderstand, and judge harshly when we see someone fall, sin, paraptoma, where they should not have. When others fall like this, we should be forgiving. When we paraptoma (fall when we should have known better), God is willing to forgive us.

    God not only was willing to forgive Adam but had a plan to send Jesus, Who would undo the willful, choosing to fall, missing the mark sin, by His atonement for them on the cross. To degrade Adam’s sin, to being minor, and to punish Eve’s to not let women preach due to hers, is to totally misread that passage, and to pervert the meaning of a number of other verses.
     
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    Must women be silent in a church?

    Now, about the rest of that passage and others whereby some try to say women are told to be silent, to not teach, to not preach, not even to speak.

    Let’s examine these passages that they use.

    I Corinthians 14:34-35
    "Let your women keep silence in the churches; for it is not permitted unto them to speak... And if they learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

    This refers to the confusion caused when the women talked out loud to husbands in the midst of sermons. The women of the day were not educated as the men, and often did not understand what the preacher was saying.

    In Christianity, the women were being given equality, and were being taught as the men in this new Christian faith.

    Paul was only saying that the women should question the husband at home, and not disrupt the service.

    I Timothy 2:11-12
    "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

    This passage in Timothy also refers to the same situation as I Corinthians 14:34-35.
    The women were not to interrupt the sermon with talking out loud to their husbands.

    The word "subjection" is from the Greek word "hupotage" which means "a voluntary yielding in love."

    There is a time for women to question their husband about the sermon. In love and respect for the service and for the husband, the wife should voluntarily wait.
    They were also not to not argue with the man's interpretation of the sermon during the service.

    This in no way lessens her equality, it only emphasizes a restraint of embarrassing a mate in public by flaunting her equality.

    It also was to encourage her to respect the sanctity of the service.

    This new found freedom in Christianity had now allowed a woman to disagree with her husband.

    Sometimes, in a service there was probably a desire of the wife to say - "I told you so!"
    She may want to teach her husband something she had learned before he had.

    Paul simply instructs the woman not to "usurp authority" over the man, but to silently listen.

    The Greek word for "usurp authority"
    is the word - authenteo"
    which means "to exercise one's power over..."

    In Christianity, the wife does have "power",
    and she can exercise it to question the husband,
    and to even teach the husband.

    The translators were all men, and questionably translated this Greek word improperly.

    A whole different meaning is found in the original word.

    It shows that women have an "authority" to speak their mind, and have an opinion different from the husband's.

    Paul is not removing the authority from the woman, that Christianity had given her.

    No! Rather he is only saying that she should not exercise that power in the middle of his sermon.

    If the men of that age had been uneducated, instead of the women, Paul would have been saying these passages to the men... it is not gender bias, it was a local problem due to the culture of that day. The spiritual principle we should get from it, is that we don't interrupt a sermon, we let the Spirit speak through the preacher and if we have disagreement, questions, etc... there can be time given for that later.
     
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    The bias against women should end,
    so the revival can have its full effect.

    The revival was hindered in many ages, where the prejudice of some has caused the misconstruing of the Word of God.

    Charles Spurgeon was a great minister, and preached many messages regarding God’s call from sin, back to righteousness.
    His wife, Susannah Thompson Spurgeon (1832 - 1903) had also a calling to preach.

    Yet, because of the evil prejudice of the false teaching about women, she was hindered from sharing her message in the churches and in the school of her husband’s ministry.

    She wrote three books, to put her message in writing, so her message could get out.
    Writing makes a sermon to be 'written preaching'...
    The method of delivery is changed, but it is still preaching...
    The sermons of the prophets and apostles in the Bible are their written sermons.

    But some just want to stop women from their calling and their ministry gift from God.

    There have been many, there will be many more,
    and those who hinder their ministry are vexing the Spirit.

    The hindrance of women being able to preach should be ending, and God will force out of the church, the false teaching that hindered it for so long.

    We are in this age, seeing the emergence of women, who always have been called to preach, but have for ages been hindered in delivering that message.
     
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    Acts 2:42
    "They continued steadfastly to the apostles' teaching."

    The early preachers preached a strong message, they taught Jesus, the Way, the Truth, the Life.

    Their message was hated, denied, and punished, but they kept preaching...

    The early church knew from the beginning the importance of the correct doctrine. The leaders insisted that the members be well instructed in the essentials of the faith. They had regular teaching sessions, and converts were expected to come.

    The words - "continued steadfastly" (Acts 2:42)
    - are from the Greek word, "proskartereo", which means "to persevere in something," "to adhere firmly to something."

    Perseverance in the teaching of the same doctrines that were taught by the apostles was considered essential in the time of the early rain revival.

    Preachers today are expected to still preach what the Word says, stand on it no matter what hatred from sinners it engenders. It takes intestinal fortitude to be a preacher. It takes only 'fear' to make a silent cave dweller...

    This emphasis on doctrine was one of the stabilizing factors of the early church revival.

    Any revival that is started, in any age, will not continue unless the doctrines behind the movement
    are sound and the members adhere to, and preach them in perseverance.

    There was an open type of worship in the former rain revival, and this broad participation in the spontaneous exercise of the gifts, required the guardian of sound doctrine to maintain the revival.

    Preachers are to strongly, firmly, truthfully, Scripturally, bravely, anxiously preach the Bible truths. Male or female, bond or free, rich or poor,
    of every race and national origin, are to preach the
    whole unadulterated Word... they 'run the race, and are to 'finish the course'... and their 'feet are beautiful' when they do.

     
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    did some of you not get to read this? it is vital to know... women preachers can be called by God... of course, gender does not guarantee they are called... there are some men preaching that it definitely is not God inspiring them, and the same for women...