A hypothetical situation? Judging? Good sense?

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Can God/Christ change such people?
Sure.
But those perverts must WANT to change.
Most will not or can not.
Personally I believe they can not nor want to any more than
a heterosexual person can morph into a homosexual.
 
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So if you are bound to that thought, then would you allow a convicted pedophile to babysit your daughter or son?

Ohhhhhhhhhh that's GOOD!
I LOVE THAT!
Sure go ahead and let a "reformed" pedophile baby sit your
kids.
Then YOU get locked up with "it".
If you were locked up you'd get a serious education real quick.
IF you lived "inside".
Probably you might live as some big guys woman. Think about it.
 
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Ha! Speaking of criminals I've know habitual repeat offenders that wanted to go back to prison.
Why? Three hots and a cot. Free medical care.
ALL THE SEX they could desire.
Why would they even want to take part in prison programs that
teach them a trade and skills to WORK on the outside and earn
a living?
They don't.
That said I have a friend that served 7 hard years as an inmate
and upon release got a good job, married a nurse, joined
A.A. and became a decent citizen. He helps other addicts to recover
from addiction. A good man indeed.
A RARE case.
A man who was on parole committed more armed robberies.
I arrested him and took his concealed gun from him.
In my office he tried to murder me and nearly succeeded.
He had me knocked down and was pushing a 4 foot tall file
locker on me when my partner knocked his brains out.
As near as I know he died in prison.
Oh, well, stuff happens huh?
By the by. I have memories but NO resentments.
I refuse to let people, places, or things, live rent free in my
mind.
I let my belief and faith in a Power greater than mean guide
my actions.
 
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So if you are bound to that thought, then would you allow a convicted pedophile to babysit your daughter or son?
No, because If I felt that this was an area of weakness, I would avoid babysitting.

Giving someone into a situation that would be an obvious occasion to stumble or cause harm, is totally missing the point.

What I was addressing was the fleshly gut reaction.
 
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No, because If I felt that this was an area of weakness, I would avoid babysitting.

Oh, wow! Do you honestly feel a flippin' pedophile KNOWS
he has a weakness and would avoid children??????
Hey. Listen! I have some swamp land and sink holes in Florida
I'll make you the deal of a lifetime on.
Here. Since I'm a kind and loving Christian let me help you
just a bit.
You need study what I'm going to post for ya just
for a bit of enlightenment my friend.
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YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME!
No predatory pedophile has any conscience at all.
Those perverts believe they are NORMAL.
Get it??????????

Recall I've arrested pedophiles that raped little kids and felt
NOTHING wrong about the act.
They were only "sorry" because they were caught.
Could that be why those perverts are put in prisons for a
loooooooooooooooooooong time and often are beat half to
death by other inmates.

How would you feel if you have kids and a pedophile was paroled
next door to you.
Welcome him with Christian agape love would ya?
 
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Oh, wow! Do you honestly feel a flippin' pedophile KNOWS
he has a weakness and would avoid children??????
Hey. Listen! I have some swamp land and sink holes in Florida
I'll make you the deal of a lifetime on.
Here. Since I'm a kind and loving Christian let me help you
just a bit.
You need study what I'm going to post for ya just
for a bit of enlightenment my friend.
  • na·ive1
    /nīˈēv/
    adjective
    1. (of a person or action) showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgment.
YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME!
No predatory pedophile has any conscience at all.
Those perverts believe they are NORMAL.
Get it??????????

Recall I've arrested pedophiles that raped little kids and felt
NOTHING wrong about the act.
They were only "sorry" because they were caught.
Could that be why those perverts are put in prisons for a
loooooooooooooooooooong time and often are beat half to
death by other inmates.

So if the guy went to prison for being a pedophile and then was allowed to come back to society. It is assumed that the person knew the reason why he went to jail.

The point of my post is, do unto others as you would have then do unto you, so from my perspective, that's how I see it. How he sees it is kind of irrelevant, it's just part of the thought process.

If you treat people like animals, (as is implied by the tone of your post) they just get worse. and who wants to live in a world like that?

Creating healthy boundaries is perfectly fine, but reacting from your flesh does not reflect the will of God.
 
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jeager016 said:
Since we were discussing "judging" others:
A man who is a convicted of molesting a child was paroled and took up residence in a middle class neighborhood.
Residents learned of his background was were extremely upset that the molester was living near children.
Is this "judging" or is this good sense?
It is not 'judging' in the nature of what is prohibited in Luke 6:37.

What would be 'judging' in the sense of the prohibition would be Christians deciding the man is fit only for Hell and withholding the gospel from him.
jeager016 said:
Let me add that a convicted child molester was interviewed some years ago on a t-v talk show and he said men who molest children NEVER stop if the opportunity presents itself to repeat the offense. Thoughts?
No sinner - great or small sins - can stop from committing sins without the changing power of God through Jesus Christ. Even with that strength, most sinners find it much easier to avoid the temptation - what ever it may be - rather than stop under all circumstances. I understand 'sexual' crimes (felonies) have the highest rates of recidivism of all. That's any sexually oriented crime.
 
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@Michael Collum

THANKS!
You shared genuine agape love with me and changed my mind
completely about pedophiles.
WATCH MY LIPS. ( OR WORDS IN THIS CASE)
PEDOPHILES DON'T CHANGE!
Very few respond to psychotherapy well enough not to
desire to repeat.
I base my opinions on real life experiences with the criminal
mind.
How many years have YOU dealt with criminals?
How many degrees to you have?
I have only dealt with criminals for 22.5 years, have two degrees,
have seen the trauma of little kids anal raped by perverts.
Any you?????????
In the State of Ohio I am a recognized expert witness for good
reason.
And you??????????????
Ever interview an 8 year old girl with syphilis of the throat
for the third time?
Had your back broken four times by violent criminals?
Been pinned down for hours by sniper fire?
How many injuries suffered at the hands of the violent criminal
do you have?
And much, much, more.
Any questions?
 
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It is not 'judging' in the nature of what is prohibited in Luke 6:37.

What would be 'judging' in the sense of the prohibition would be Christians deciding the man is fit only for Hell and withholding the gospel from him.
No sinner - great or small sins - can stop from committing sins without the changing power of God through Jesus Christ. Even with that strength, most sinners find it much easier to avoid the temptation - what ever it may be - rather than stop under all circumstances. I understand 'sexual' crimes (felonies) have the highest rates of recidivism of all. That's any sexually oriented crime.

Aw come on.
You talk of "sinners".
I speak of criminals.
All of us are sinners.
Few of us are criminals.
Get the difference?
 
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@Michael Collum

THANKS!
You shared genuine agape love with me and changed my mind
completely about pedophiles.
WATCH MY LIPS. ( OR WORDS IN THIS CASE)
PEDOPHILES DON'T CHANGE!
Very few respond to psychotherapy well enough not to
desire to repeat.
I base my opinions on real life experiences with the criminal
mind.
How many years have YOU dealt with criminals?
How many degrees to you have?
I have only dealt with criminals for 22.5 years, have two degrees,
have seen the trauma of little kids anal raped by perverts.
Any you?????????
In the State of Ohio I am a recognized expert witness for good
reason.
And you??????????????
Ever interview an 8 year old girl with syphilis of the throat
for the third time?
Had your back broken four times by violent criminals?
Been pinned down for hours by sniper fire?
How many injuries suffered at the hands of the violent criminal
to you have?
And much, much, more.
Any questions?

AH so you're a cop. What you're saying makes more sense now.

One of these days, all the sin that I pick up from people just passing by will totally corrupt my mind and heart .. and I'll hope someone will put me down ... or maybe not and God's grace will spare me from watching such a thing.

One of the ways I cope with such darkness is to be merciful. I haven't had the luxury to be quite so judgmental in years, when I do think like that, the sin starts to take form as a person ... can't say I like it. Maybe I shoulda died back then.

What you're saying is right, but I can't say it exactly like that or it's like lighting a match in a room fulla gunpowder.
 
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So if the guy went to prison for being a pedophile and then was allowed to come back to society. It is assumed that the person knew the reason why he went to jail.

The point of my post is, do unto others as you would have then do unto you, so from my perspective, that's how I see it. How he sees it is kind of irrelevant, it's just part of the thought process.

If you treat people like animals, (as is implied by the tone of your post) they just get worse. and who wants to live in a world like that?

Creating healthy boundaries is perfectly fine, but reacting from your flesh does not reflect the will of God.
You hit the nail on the head with healthy boundaries. Sometimes,those healthy boundaries consist of a heavy set of steel bars. Remember it's not just my life I'm trying to protect, it's my kids, your kids and my neighbors kids. I have NOT loved my neighbor as,myself if I defended his right to live by my neighbor and he molests his child. What I have done is worked to,allow the destruction of that child's life and perhaps created another pedophile. That's not loving my neighbor as myself.
 
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AH so you're a cop. What you're saying makes more sense now.

Not any longer and not for a long time.
I was disabled with my 4th broken back and endured
9 months in rehab learned to walk again.
I walk just fine now but suffer permanent intractable pain
for which I no longer take narcotic meds.
Not healthy to take those meds.
I do o.k. for an old guy.:oldthumbsup:
After I was disabled I went to college earning two degrees and
retired again from G.B.
Lazy I ain't.:grinning:
I'm also an alcoholic in remission and attend A.A.
at least 5 evening a week and help others in recovery.
A.A. isn't religious as some think but spiritual.
We all pray after each meeting and thank the God of our
understanding for each day of sobriety.
Believe me I'm grateful to the God of my understanding for
my recovery on a daily basis.
I've suffered enough.
 
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Since we were discussing "judging" others:
A man who is a convicted of molesting a child was paroled and took up residence
in a middle class neighborhood.
Residents learned of his background was were extremely upset that the molester
was living near children.
Is this "judging" or is this good sense?
After some posts I will reveal what, if anything, happened.
Let me add that a convicted child molester was interviewed some years ago
on a t-v talk show and he said men who molest children NEVER stop if the
opportunity presents itself to repeat the offense.
Thoughts?

Being upset isn't judging. But more than likely they would have condemned the man -- put him beyond the pale, removed him from humanity, stopped loving him -- if he were before them. Condemnation is what the Bible is against, not judging, which is intrinsic to our psychology, and how we determine the worth of something. Now, if I have a child and know a child molester is on the loose, you bet I'm going to judge this person in order to make the best decision to protect my child; but this act of judging doesn't have to be condemnation, where I remove him from humanity with my hatred or disgust.

Pedophilia is a very ugly subject, because most people who are pedophiles don't act on their impulses, yet they can't seek psychological treatment without the risk of being reported simply for expressing their interest in children. We need to see pedophilia for what it is -- a mental disorder, and not necessarily reflective of being a predator -- and find a way as a society to support treatment for those with these impulses.

We also have to keep in mind the subjectivity of sin. What's attractive as a sin to you might be different for me. My sin might be lust for heterosexual females, because (say) of an excessive level of testosterone. Another person's sin might be lusting after children, and in this case the desire itself isn't voluntarily shaped by the pedophile; it's given to him, either from biology or environmental influences. So even the person who gives in to his impulses and sexually abuses children has to be seen from the correct phenomenological perspective, where his sin might be as difficult to resist as the more commonplace sins we see all around us. Which in no way condones child abuse. But simply condemning a person for having thoughts and impulses relating to pedophilia is completely unacceptable by any Christian, because rarely is the attraction toward children asked for by the pedophile. If you condemn the pedophile for just having these thoughts and temptations, you have to condemn yourself for any sin you might have. He who is without sin...
 
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jeager016 said:
Aw come on.
You talk of "sinners".
I speak of criminals.
All of us are sinners.
Few of us are criminals.
Get the difference?
Yes I do, but you don't seem to. I was addressing the words of Jesus in Luke. You are using the definition you outlined in post #5, which is not quite the same. Silly me, as this is a Christian forum, I jumped to the conclusion the poster was talking about Jesus' comment. Just for the record, that verse is probably one of the more mis-used and misunderstood comments in the library of Jesus' comments. And your initial post demonstrated that fact.

As to your statement "Few of us are criminals": by what standard? If you are referring to convictions, probably not.
Per the penal code of any particular state, and extending the condition to those who have committed the actions which
define a crime, probably more. Per the Criminal Code of the Federal Government, possibly even more. By God's standards, all of us. We are all guilty of violating God's commandments.

Before you begin lecturing me, go back and read the entirety of my first post.
 
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so is this having an opinion or good sense?

that doesn't make sense.
If you have any type of insurance, is that good sense? Calamities may never happen to you. Should you have insurance just in case, anyway?

Obviously pedophiles have something wrong with their wiring. Prison doesn't correct their wiring in the overwhelming majority of cases. The best insurance against pedos offending again is to either learn what "rewires" them, or lock them up. For their safety as much as the children they will harm.
 
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Not any longer and not for a long time.
I was disabled with my 4th broken back and endured
9 months in rehab learned to walk again.
I walk just fine now but suffer permanent intractable pain
for which I no longer take narcotic meds.
Not healthy to take those meds.
I do o.k. for an old guy.:oldthumbsup:
After I was disabled I went to college earning two degrees and
retired again from G.B.
Lazy I ain't.:grinning:
I'm also an alcoholic in remission and attend A.A.
at least 5 evening a week and help others in recovery.
A.A. isn't religious as some think but spiritual.
We all pray after each meeting and thank the God of our
understanding for each day of sobriety.
Believe me I'm grateful to the God of my understanding for
my recovery on a daily basis.
I've suffered enough.
God bless you brother and thanks for your service!
 
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