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Featured A flat earth, and Noah's Ark.

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by Kenneth Redden, Jan 1, 2017.

  1. JacksBratt

    JacksBratt Just a Brat

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    Can you name one?
     
  2. JackRT

    JackRT I'm on the left.

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    Read through the last 400 posts. You will find dozens.
     
  3. Jason0047

    Jason0047 Agent for Christ

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    Jack:

    The problem I have is that while you say you believe in a sphere like Earth, you act like you are a flat Earther (Giving credence to non-sense like conspiracy theories).

    If you are unsure of what the Earth is actually like. Your position is a question mark, yet you sound like a flat Earther.


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  4. JacksBratt

    JacksBratt Just a Brat

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    I'm just playing the devils advocate... also, deep down, I guess, I wish that someone would have solid proof of a flat earth. I guess it's because I would rejoice in the obvious ramifications of such a revelation in relation to the obvious and massive corruption that is just under the surface of the what the world considers and believes to be true.

    You see, the flat earth model has no impact on my view of scripture and the gospel. The globe model doesn't either. However, as I have said before, the atheistic views and evolutionary theory, which I believe to be totally anti God, would be disintegrated.
     
  5. JackRT

    JackRT I'm on the left.

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    Out of curiosity what are the "non-sense like conspiracy theories" that I give credence to? Just so you understand me a bit better, I am a retired scientist, mathematician and educator.
     
  6. Jason0047

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    Sorry. I was talking to the other Jack. JacksBratt.


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    I will pray God leads to the truth on this matter.


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    JacksBratt Just a Brat

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    Thanks, a quest for truth is always, in my opinion, a biblical quest.
     
  10. JacksBratt

    JacksBratt Just a Brat

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    Can you be specific with one test that is repeatable and observable that proves the earth is a spinning globe.
     
  11. JackRT

    JackRT I'm on the left.

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    Science does not work by proof but there are plenty of observations that strongly suggest a spherical rotating earth. On the other hand a theory can be disproven it predicts something that is found to be not the case. The flat earth theory has been disproven a number of times in this thread alone.
     
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    You stated in one of your posts, post #381, that:

    Any theory that makes any sort of pretense to be scientific must also make predictions that if shown to be false would invalidate the theory.

    So, even though I, too, believe that the earth is a globe, I find it interesting that:
    Due to the "theory" of a globe shaped earth objects that are in the distance should be below the visible horizon. The further away the more they will be below the curve.

    However, objects are visible, in many places around this world, when they should be obscured by being many feet below the horizon.

    This is the one thing that intrigues me.

    There are details that, to me, inhibit me from believing in a flat earth model. However there are some observable things that have me questioning how they are possible on the globe model. Or if the globe is the size that they are saying.

    The other observable and recordable and will be repeated, phenomenon is a total eclipse of the moon. A lunar eclipse. Where the shadow of the earth completely engulfs the moon.
    This has happened and has be recorded as happening and will happen again, with the sun in full view at the same time.


    This is impossible if it is the earth's shadow on the moon. If I can see the moon and I can fully see the sun, it's light would be shining on the moon.

    This may not prove flat earth or globe earth but it certainly makes me wonder about what we are told and how we perceive the universe.
     
  13. JackRT

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    It is possible for this to happen about dawn or dusk if the person is very near to line between sunlight and darkness. The sun will be very low to the horizon in one direction while the moon is very low to the horizon in the opposite direction.
     
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    And so the truth comes out. You are actively looking for any hole, real or imaginary, that you can poke into the various things that proof the earth is a globe. You don't want to believe it.

    You have been presented with several. And when you can't find more holes to pick, you stick your head in the sand and ignore it.

    I guess that makes sense, given that you don't want it to be true.

    Thank you for finally being honest. Now I can stop wasting my time, since I know you will never be convinced, because you don't want to be.
     
  15. Followers4christ

    Followers4christ Love my wife, 2 sons and Daughter. God is great!!

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    1. Isaiah 40:22 "There is One who dwells above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers. He is stretching out the heavens like a fine gauze, and he spreads them out like a tent to dwell in" the prevailing idea of the time was that the Earth was flat or a cube that you would fall off the side of you went too far.
    2. Job 26:7 also stated that "He stretches out the northern sky over empty space, Suspending the earth upon nothing" whereas common theory at the time was that the Earth was on the back of a turtle, an elephant and some other ridiculousness..
    Keep in mind, the Bible is not a scientific textbook, but since it's its author created the Earth, when it does touch on such matters, it's wisdom is in stark contrast with what scientific research showed at the time of it's being penned. Showing the Bibles reliability.
     
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    That is exactly what this verse is indicating --- a flat earth with heavens above stretched out like a tent.

    And elsewhere in Job there are verses that speak of the earth supported by pillars.

    At the time Job was penned the bible author had the same beliefs as the surrounding nations. Basically and flat earth with a dome overhead. It was an entirely prescientific culture.
     
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    Goodbook Reading the Bible

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    Good for you, well before the time of the flood maybe he did live in a flat area of land or plain before the animals boarded. I dont know I wasnt there lol.

    We do know that when the waters subsided the earth was changed. noahs ark rested on the mountains of ararat so. Possibly the cataclymsic events of the flood caused a lot of earth movement. However Genesis 7:19-20 indicate hills and mountains were already present so..it cant have been all flat.
     
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    Goodbook Reading the Bible

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    Dispensation Paul was referring to is God giving grace to the gentiles.

    In epehesians this is the context of what Paul was writing he wasnt talking about another universe. Remember to dispense means to give...
     
  19. Kenneth Redden

    Kenneth Redden Digital communication defeats warped space. Supporter

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    I believe the entire KJV Bible to be said from the beginning, and third day of creation, which is before the stars were made in Genesis 1:16. Therefore; the earth didn't have to be round and it is no longer an issue !
     
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    Kenneth Redden Digital communication defeats warped space. Supporter

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    Yes, of course; from your understanding of the KJV Bible, but not from mine...