A challenge to Creationists.

[KerrMetric]

The following schools were listed to me by nolidad implying I had said they were podunk.

My whole debate has been arguing that no Creationist was either a department chair or a professor/researcher at any major school in the key sciences important to the Creation/Evolution debate i.e. biology/geology/astronomy/physics.

nolidad disagrees (he says they are there) and provided the following list.

Penn State
Va. Poly Tech
Colorado State
Princeton
UCLA
Duke
Univ.of Sydney
Iowa State
Univ of Rochester
S.M.U.
Idiana State
Harvard
Univ. of Ill. (Chicago)
U Cal fullerton and Irvine
John Hopkins
U Maryland
Va Tech.
Clemson
Loyola
Tulane
Cambridge
Wales
UCLA
Tufts
Texas A&M
Ohio State
Notre Dame
MIT


My challenge to nolidad or any other Creationist here is to take the above list and next to it name the department chairs in those key sciences that are Creation scientists. Should be easy according to nolidad.

In fact lets make it easier. Just list the faculty in those departments at the above schools that are Creation scientists. This should be trivial according to nolidad.


Of course, what is puzzling is that nolidad claims that Creationists are kept out of such schools whilst he also claims they are department chairs/faculty at such schools. I don't know about you but this seems mutually exclusive.Anyway, list away my Creationist brethren, list away.

 

[mark kennedy]

The following schools were listed to me by nolidad implying I had said they were podunk.

My whole debate has been arguing that no Creationist was either a department chair or a professor/researcher at any major school in the key sciences important to the Creation/Evolution debate i.e. biology/geology/astronomy/physics.

nolidad disagrees (he says they are there) and provided the following list.

Penn State
Va. Poly Tech
Colorado State
Princeton
UCLA
Duke
Univ.of Sydney
Iowa State
Univ of Rochester
S.M.U.
Idiana State
Harvard
Univ. of Ill. (Chicago)
U Cal fullerton and Irvine
John Hopkins
U Maryland
Va Tech.
Clemson
Loyola
Tulane
Cambridge
Wales
UCLA
Tufts
Texas A&M
Ohio State
Notre Dame
MIT


My challenge to nolidad or any other Creationist here is to take the above list and next to it name the department chairs in those key sciences that are Creation scientists. Should be easy according to nolidad.

In fact lets make it easier. Just list the faculty in those departments at the above schools that are Creation scientists. This should be trivial according to nolidad.


Of course, what is puzzling is that nolidad claims that Creationists are kept out of such schools whilst he also claims they are department chairs/faculty at such schools. I don't know about you but this seems mutually exclusive.Anyway, list away my Creationist brethren, list away.

Do any of these creationists qualify I wonder?

Listed below is a partial list of men and women with PhD’s and M.D.’s who trust the Bible to be literal in its description of Creation. For a more complete list please call me i.e. Bill Morgan at (714) 898-8331 or e-mail me at BillyJack321@hotmail.com.

http://www.fishdontwalk.com/aviewer.asp?i=17

Larry Butler Ph.D. Biochemistry UCLA
Duane Gish Ph.D. Biochemistry Cal Berkeley
Dmitri Kouznetzov Ph.D. Biochemistry & Molecular Biology & Medicine Moscow Univ
Linn Carothers Ph.D. Biology USC
Kenneth Cumming Ph.D. Biology Harvard
Bolton Davidheiser Ph.D. Biology Johns Hopkins
Wayne Frair Ph.D. Biology Rutgers
George Howe Ph.D. Biology Ohio State
Stephen Koepp Ph.D. Biology North Texas St
Robert Littlejohn Ph.D. Biology Washington
David Menton Ph.D. Biology Brown
Jean Morton Ph.D. Biology George Wash. U
Chris Osborne Ph.D. Biology Loma Linda
Gary Parker Ed.D Biology Ball State
Richard Peterson Ph.D. Biology Wisconsin
Terry Phipps Ph.D. Biology Ohio State
Paul Sattler Ph.D. Biology Texas Tech
E Norbert Smith Ph.D. Biology Texas Tech
Ronald T. Spohr Ph.D. Biology Texas Tech
Bruce Triplehorn Ph.D. Biology Ohio State
Alexander Varkey Ph.D. Biology Louisiana State
John Silvius Ph.D. Biology West Virginia
Dennis Englin Ed.D. Cell & Molecular Biology USC
Ben Aaron M.D. Medicine Texas
Raymond Damidian M.D. Medicine Albert Einstein
College of Med.

Robert Eckel M.D. Medicine Cincinnati
Robert Franks M.D. Medicine UCLA
Michael Girouard M.D. Medicine Louisiana State
Isaac Manley MD Medicine Harvard
Ralph Pacini MD Medicine Illinois
Gailen Marshall MD & Ph.D. Medicine and Immunology Texas

 

[KerrMetric]

Larry Butler Ph.D. Biochemistry UCLA
Duane Gish Ph.D. Biochemistry Cal Berkeley
Dmitri Kouznetzov Ph.D. Biochemistry & Molecular Biology & Medicine Moscow Univ
Linn Carothers Ph.D. Biology USC
Kenneth Cumming Ph.D. Biology Harvard
Bolton Davidheiser Ph.D. Biology Johns Hopkins
Wayne Frair Ph.D. Biology Rutgers
George Howe Ph.D. Biology Ohio State
Stephen Koepp Ph.D. Biology North Texas St
Robert Littlejohn Ph.D. Biology Washington
David Menton Ph.D. Biology Brown
Jean Morton Ph.D. Biology George Wash. U
Chris Osborne Ph.D. Biology Loma Linda
Gary Parker Ed.D Biology Ball State
Richard Peterson Ph.D. Biology Wisconsin
Terry Phipps Ph.D. Biology Ohio State
Paul Sattler Ph.D. Biology Texas Tech
E Norbert Smith Ph.D. Biology Texas Tech
Ronald T. Spohr Ph.D. Biology Texas Tech
Bruce Triplehorn Ph.D. Biology Ohio State
Alexander Varkey Ph.D. Biology Louisiana State
John Silvius Ph.D. Biology West Virginia
Dennis Englin Ed.D. Cell & Molecular Biology USC
Ben Aaron M.D. Medicine Texas
Raymond Damidian M.D. Medicine Albert Einstein
College of Med.

Robert Eckel M.D. Medicine Cincinnati
Robert Franks M.D. Medicine UCLA
Michael Girouard M.D. Medicine Louisiana State
Isaac Manley MD Medicine Harvard
Ralph Pacini MD Medicine Illinois
Gailen Marshall MD & Ph.D. Medicine and Immunology Texas

Do any of these creationists qualify I wonder?

Mark read what I said.

I said where are the department chairs and faculty of biolgy/geology/physics and astronomy departments of those schools. You know, people actually doing research in those areas. You saw my other thread, people like Gish were listed and I told the facts - excellent eduation but hasn't researched for decades. MD's don't count and you know that - that isn't a science education.

Why will you guys not admit the truth. Why do people lie and say there are department chairs of major schools or researching faculty at major schools who are Creationists? Why lie?

 

[KerrMetric]

I just picked two of those at random. Paul Sattler is at Liberty U. teaching anatomy (LOL) and David Menton was an anatomist at a medical school.

Where are the people working in hard sciences at major schools? I don;t want the list of people who got an education in biology and then quit after grad school.

Again - physics/biology/astronomy or geology department chairs at major schools or faculty of those departments please??????????


Edit

Another - John Silvius is at Cedarville Bible school in Cedarville Ohio. Do you really think research is going on there at a Harvard level? Heck, I doubt he has done any research since grad school.

 

[KerrMetric]

LOL this gets funnier by the minute.

Stephen Koepp is at ICR. That's not even a school.
Varkey is at Liberty U. Jerry Fallwells school.

These people are all at Bible schools it seems.

Again, where are the faculty/department chairs of Harvard or Texas or UCLA or Cambridge etc etc.

 

[KerrMetric]

Ha ha ha. Dennis Englin doctorate is in Education not Cell Biology. AIG calls him a geophysicist based on his Masters. What a joke. They can't even get the qualifications right.

I searched NASA Geophysics abstracts and his name has ZERO papers yet AIG call him a professor of geophysics.

Where at - Clown College?

 

[Ethan_Fetch]

Because as we know, only department chairs are important...

A mere doctorate will not suffice.

 

[Ethan_Fetch]

But then, this is what you do, Kerr...you deny that creationists can be real scientists, and then when provided a list of fairly prestigious scientists, you make clown jokes.

How can anyone take you seriously?

 

[Dannager]

Because as we know, only department chairs are important...

A mere doctorate will not suffice.

He didn't ask for just department chairs. Did you read the post? Any faculty in one of the cited departments at a major research university fits his criteria. You did read the post, right?

 

[Dannager]

But then, this is what you do, Kerr...you deny that creationists can be real scientists, and then when provided a list of fairly prestigious scientists, you make clown jokes.

How can anyone take you seriously?

None of the scientists provided have, upon closer inspection, fit the criteria requested above. Please read the OP if you are at all confused - the requirements are quite straightforward.

 

[Ethan_Fetch]

Then this is a closed discussion which Kerr ought to have taken to nolidad in PM...

But you are probably right, I oughtn't to have said anything and I withdraw my comments.

 

[Dannager]

Then this is a closed discussion which Kerr ought to have taken to nolidad in PM...

Why? I think the forum is well-served by having this discussion take place in public.