A biblical approach to secular music

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The devil was a worship-angel (read verse below). He therefore knows exactly how strong influence music has and can therefore affect people’s music. He wants to soil the music – it was meant to worship God with it and so. He wants to use it for his evil plans. We understand that pride / haughtiness is probably the devil’s greatest attribute? Since it was pride that caused him to fall and get thrown out. Most secular music is marked by pride. Some artists/groups may even want to be worshipped in one way or another. One thing’s for sure, that the devil gets worshipped in a way – by pride and people seeking fame and fortune by people. It is an abomination unto God, why would we go to such concerts, which is like an idolatry fest. There are many people who have artists and / or groups as Idols and posters etc of them. We as Christians should not have posters of groups and artists. We are not to have any idol either. God hates idolatry, so we should not have such posters etc. Idolatry goes against the First and Second Commandment.

“Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.” (Ezekiel 28:13).

Satan was thrown out from heaven. (Eze. 28:17, Isa. 14:12, Rev. 12). The Bible also says that he has wiles (Eph. 6:11) – He perverts and mimics much of God’s pure works, even the music, which is to be a tool for God’s glory to praise and worship Him. For example - Pharaoh’s magicians could turn their staffs into snakes, just as Aaron could (Exodus 7:11-13).

In 1 Samuel 10, Samuel said to Saul that he would meet with a group of prophets coming down from the high place with stringed instrument, a tambourine, a flute, and a harp before them, while they prophesy. “Then the Spirit of the Lord will come upon you, and you will prophesy with them and be turned into another man.“ (1 Samuel 10:6 NKJV).

When Saul was among those people/prophets who worshipped God and had God’s Spirit upon them, then there was a presence of God, and Saul was affected by that. He began to prophesy with them, and was transformed into ANOTHER person.

If worship has such a strong impact, how strong NEGATIVE impact doesn’t secular music have? Where the Spirit of God is not working with unbelievers – people of the world? Especially when the music is worship to Satan either indirectly or directly.

“in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,” (Ephesians 2:2 NKJV).“Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.” (1 Corinthians 2:12).

Thus, the person who plays music / sings affect people negatively through their music because it is carnal music, because those who are unbelievers and/or children of disobedience got the spirit of the world. Music has spiritual influence – as we can see above when Saul was affected so strongly through it. I will also give another example below. Carnal music appeals to the flesh and if we are born again and follow Jesus, we don’t have the spirit of the world, but the Spirit of God, and our spirit is born again, right. Therefore, we wouldn’t feel good when listening to such music, since the spirit of the world is active there. Although we might not feel any bad influence, it still affects us badly.

“And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.” (1 Samuel 16:23).

Just as the Holy Spirit worked through this music that David played, so can Satan work through music. Most famous artists etc are even dabbling in the occult in one way or another and thus they are tools used by Satan, whether they like/know it or not.

Marilyn Manson for example. He says “Music is the strongest form of magic.” Marilyn Manson also encourages suicide in a song. I've heard of someone who was called from across the country to help counsel a 13 year-old-girl who suddenly had veered into lesbianism and suicide attempts after becoming obsessed with Manson’s music. He said he would soon find that this was taking place in several households, as his (Manson's) poison was worked into the fabric of many families.[1]

It proves that music has a strong influence. People will not commit suicide just because someone is telling them to do it? Thus there are evil spirits that work through music and people. A lot of music encourages sex, drugs, partying and other immorality. Which has made people become drug addicts etc. We should not listen to such music as Christians.

If we are to be the LIGHT of the world like Jesus said, then we aren’t to have fellowship with darkness like that? “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” (2 Corinthians 6:14).

Thus, we should not associate with people in their evil deeds and evil contexts like concerts with worldly. If we are Christians we are / are to be the light of the world (Matthew 5:14). Many concerts are idolatry fests, which I talked about in the beginning. Christians have nothing to do there, except for evangelistic purposes.

God tells us to be holy, to live holy. It also means to be set apart for him, separated from the world etc. (1 Peter 1:15 NKJV) but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 because it is written,“Be holy, for I am holy.”

(Ephesians 5:8 NKJV) For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), 10 finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

So how does one find out what is acceptable to the Lord (v. 10)? Well obviously one simple method at least is by the fruit of it (see v. 9). Would you say that music where they exalt themselves and seek honor and fame is acceptable to the Lord? Or maybe where they sing about sex, drugs and money? No, that’s unfruitful works of darkness!

We should not have anything to do with such secular music about Partying, Sex, Immorality, violence and other things, and other sinful lifestyles. Music that can give rise to works of the flesh like Lust etc and to satisfy the carnal side of our nature. We are to live after the Spirit, seek to “feed” our “spiritual man.” As Romans 8 speaks of, that we are to live after the Spirit.

(Ephesians 4:29 NKJV) Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice.

Here in verse 30 above it says that we should not grieve the Holy Spirit of God. The context (verses 29 and 31), indicates that there are deeds that grieve him. Verse 29 talks about not letting corrupt words proceed out of our mouths. Well, most secular music has corrupt lyrics, and so it doesn’t impart grace to the hearers (v. 29), then what does it impart? Obviously curses. But it’s another thing if we are in a shop or something, and they have music playing. But if we deliberately feed us with that kind of music, then it can open up a door for Satan and so.

We grieve The Holy Spirit by deeds. IF we grieve the Holy Spirit we can open us up for Satan. Music with lyrics about Partying, Profanity, Sex and other wickedness etc. We aren’t to listen to such music. If we have the Spirit of God in us we are to stay away from secular music, so we do not grieve the Spirit of God or wake up the flesh. If you are not sure something is right, don’t do it AT ALL “…for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.” (Romans 14:23).

Music has strong spiritual influence, whether we notice it or not. “…Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.” (Romans 12:9).

“Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.“ (Philippians 4:8).

If that’s the things we are to think on, then obviously we aren’t to invite things into our minds that are contrary to these – profanity etc.

“Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;“ (2 Corinthians 10:5).

“Casting down imaginations” - Λογισμους· Reasonings or opinions. There’s a lot of these in music. Secular music has a lot of lyrics exalting itself against the knowledge of God, opposed to Christ. When one listens to secular music it can become strongholds, in several ways. For example, if one listens to a song in a shop, that melody can get stuck in one’s mind and become a stronghold. It can appeal to the weak flesh.

“that you may walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing Him, being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God;” (Colossians 1:10 NKJV).

(Colossians 3:1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

“Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.“ (James 4:4 NKJV) “Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.“ (James 4:8 NKJV).

Greed is called Idolatry in Col. 3:5. Greedy desire for more of the world. We aren’t to seek that which is on earth – pleasures and so on. It is enmity against God, to be carnally minded is DEATH and Enmity with God (Rom. 8:6-7). We can’t halt between God and the World, it’s to be double-minded. Our hearts must be clean before God – we must seek him and not things that are of the world.

[1] -- SOURCE for the story about the teenager: http://www.goodfight.org/a_m_manson_marilyn.html (If everything on that site is correct, I don't know).
 
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The devil was a worship-angel (read verse below). He therefore knows exactly how strong influence music has and can therefore affect people’s music. He wants to soil the music – it was meant to worship God with it and so. He wants to use it for his evil plans. We understand that pride / haughtiness is probably the devil’s greatest attribute? Since it was pride that caused him to fall and get thrown out. Most secular music is marked by pride. Some artists/groups may even want to be worshipped in one way or another. One thing’s for sure, that the devil gets worshipped in a way – by pride and people seeking fame and fortune by people. It is an abomination unto God, why would we go to such concerts, which is like an idolatry fest. There are many people who have artists and / or groups as Idols and posters etc of them. We as Christians should not have posters of groups and artists. We are not to have any idol either. God hates idolatry, so we should not have such posters etc. Idolatry goes against the First and Second Commandment.



Satan was thrown out from heaven. (Eze. 28:17, Isa. 14:12, Rev. 12). The Bible also says that he has wiles (Eph. 6:11) – He perverts and mimics much of God’s pure works, even the music, which is to be a tool for God’s glory to praise and worship Him. For example - Pharaoh’s magicians could turn their staffs into snakes, just as Aaron could (Exodus 7:11-13).

In 1 Samuel 10, Samuel said to Saul that he would meet with a group of prophets coming down from the high place with stringed instrument, a tambourine, a flute, and a harp before them, while they prophesy. “Then the Spirit of the Lord will come upon you, and you will prophesy with them and be turned into another man.“ (1 Samuel 10:6 NKJV).

When Saul was among those people/prophets who worshipped God and had God’s Spirit upon them, then there was a presence of God, and Saul was affected by that. He began to prophesy with them, and was transformed into ANOTHER person.

If worship has such a strong impact, how strong NEGATIVE impact doesn’t secular music have? Where the Spirit of God is not working with unbelievers – people of the world? Especially when the music is worship to Satan either indirectly or directly.



Thus, the person who plays music / sings affect people negatively through their music because it is carnal music, because those who are unbelievers and/or children of disobedience got the spirit of the world. Music has spiritual influence – as we can see above when Saul was affected so strongly through it. I will also give another example below. Carnal music appeals to the flesh and if we are born again and follow Jesus, we don’t have the spirit of the world, but the Spirit of God, and our spirit is born again, right. Therefore, we wouldn’t feel good when listening to such music, since the spirit of the world is active there. Although we might not feel any bad influence, it still affects us badly.



Just as the Holy Spirit worked through this music that David played, so can Satan work through music. Most famous artists etc are even dabbling in the occult in one way or another and thus they are tools used by Satan, whether they like/know it or not.

Marilyn Manson for example. He says “Music is the strongest form of magic.” He began to burn Bibles in his concerts, and give invitations for people to receive Satan, by encouraging kids to reject Jesus Christ and accept Satan into their hearts and minds. There are some who shot schoolchildren (called Columbine massacre or something). I have read that those who did it followed Marilyn Manson – who openly encourages murder in his music, like his song “KILL, KILL, KILL.” He also sells T-shirts with the text “Murder your parents.” Marilyn Manson also encourages suicide. Many have taken suicide when they listened to his music.

It proves that music has a strong influence. People will not commit suicide just because someone is telling them to do it? Thus there are evil spirits that work through music and people. A lot of music encourages sex, drugs, partying and other immorality. Which has made people become drug addicts etc. We should not listen to such music as Christians.

If we are to be the LIGHT of the world like Jesus said, then we aren’t to have fellowship with darkness like that? “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” (2 Corinthians 6:14).

Thus, we should not associate with people in their evil deeds and evil contexts like concerts with worldly. If we are Christians we are / are to be the light of the world (Matthew 5:14). Many concerts are idolatry fests, which I talked about in the beginning. Christians have nothing to do there, except for evangelistic purposes.

God tells us to be holy, to live holy. It also means to be set apart for him, separated from the world etc. (1 Peter 1:15 NKJV) but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 because it is written,“Be holy, for I am holy.”



So how does one find out what is acceptable to the Lord (v. 10)? Well obviously one simple method at least is by the fruit of it (see v. 9). Would you say that music where they exalt themselves and seek honor and fame is acceptable to the Lord? Or maybe where they sing about sex, drugs and money? No, that’s unfruitful works of darkness!

We should not have anything to do with such secular music about Partying, Sex, Immorality, violence and other things, and other sinful lifestyles. Music that can give rise to works of the flesh like Lust etc and to satisfy the carnal side of our nature. We are to live after the Spirit, seek to “feed” our “spiritual man.” As Romans 8 speaks of, that we are to live after the Spirit.



Here in verse 30 above it says that we should not grieve the Holy Spirit of God. The context (verses 29 and 31), indicates that there are deeds that grieve him. Verse 29 talks about not letting corrupt words proceed out of our mouths. Well, most secular music has corrupt lyrics, and so it doesn’t impart grace to the hearers (v. 29), then what does it impart? Obviously curses. But it’s another thing if we are in a shop or something, and they have music playing. But if we deliberately feed us with that kind of music, then it can open up a door for Satan and so.

We grieve The Holy Spirit by deeds. IF we grieve the Holy Spirit we can open us up for Satan. Music with lyrics about Partying, Profanity, Sex and other wickedness etc. We aren’t to listen to such music. If we have the Spirit of God in us we are to stay away from secular music, so we do not grieve the Spirit of God or wake up the flesh. If you are not sure something is right, don’t do it AT ALL “…for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.” (Romans 14:23).

Music has strong spiritual influence, whether we notice it or not. “…Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.” (Romans 12:9).



If that’s the things we are to think on, then obviously we aren’t to invite things into our minds that are contrary to these – profanity etc.



“Casting down imaginations” - Λογισμους· Reasonings or opinions. There’s a lot of these in music. Secular music has a lot of lyrics exalting itself against the knowledge of God, opposed to Christ. When one listens to secular music it can become strongholds, in several ways. For example, if one listens to a song in a shop, that melody can get stuck in one’s mind and become a stronghold. It can appeal to the weak flesh.



“Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.“ (James 4:4 NKJV) “Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.“ (James 4:8 NKJV).

Greed is called Idolatry in Col. 3:5. Greedy desire for more of the world. We aren’t to seek that which is on earth – pleasures and so on. It is enmity against God, to be carnally minded is DEATH and Enmity with God (Rom. 8:6-7). We can’t halt between God and the World, it’s to be double-minded. Our hearts must be clean before God – we must seek him and not things that are of the world.

Can you please explain how posters are evil? Yeah a justin beiber poster deserves to burn in Hell (lol), but seriously? Churches use posters for concerts and/or artists so they must obviously be sinners practicing idolatry right?

I also made a thread about this issue

http://www.christianforums.com/t7718720/

Also read the comments below.
 
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Can you please explain how posters are evil? Yeah a justin beiber poster deserves to burn in Hell (lol), but seriously? Churches use posters for concerts and/or artists so they must obviously be sinners practicing idolatry right?

I also made a thread about this issue

http://www.christianforums.com/t7718720/

Also read the comments below.

I meant posters people have of favorite artists etc, which are like Idols to them or to other people. Since they are idols to other people, we aren't to have those posters.
 
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I meant posters people have of favorite artists etc, which are like Idols to them or to other people. Since they are idols to other people, we aren't to have those posters.


Why? Christians have posters of Yeshua or (Jesus.) Is that a sin to imagine Him in our own likeness?
 
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Why? Christians have posters of Yeshua or (Jesus.) Is that a sin to imagine Him in our own likeness?

Those posters aren't pictures of Jesus? Don't you believe he's too Holy to let people make a picture of him? Many alleged pictures of Jesus are pictures of other people, for example sons of Roman emperors or something like that that have been made into "pictures of Jesus"
 
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Those posters aren't pictures of Jesus? Don't you believe he's too Holy to let people make a picture of him? Many alleged pictures of Jesus are pictures of other people, for example sons of Roman emperors or something like that that have been made into "pictures of Jesus"

So I have heard such generalizations.
 
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This is such a sad post to me. So many Christians who are supposed to be sons of the all mighty king and filled with the fullness of God and have the same spirit that raised Jesus from the dead, are living out of a place of fear. This is such a fear based post and gives so much power to satan. Why do we humor the efforts of an already defeated creature. Jesus said "it is finished." All principalities are disarmed. He is king and seated in heaven and we are there with him. We are not to be afraid of the devil. I eat the devil for breakfast and poop him out. NOTHING can touch me when I am in Christ and I just happen to be seated in heavenly places in Him according to my bible. I am not being naive and I am not boasting at all in myself, but I am pointing it all to Christ and boasting in Him and His word.

This is not a biblical approach to secular music at all. This is a fear based old covenant approach and these kinds of mindsets are really ruining the body of Christ. All things are from God. These "secular" artist are actually lost sons and daughters. Do you think Satan gave them these melodies and musical abilities? Do you think satan created these people for his evil plan? Absolutely not. God created them for his pleasure and for His plan but they are just being tricked by the deceiver. Then "christians" like this, still holding on to the ministry of condemnation instead of the new ministry of reconciliation like we are suppose to have according to Paul, are making it worse and saying these people are evil and blah blah blah. You cannot call God's kids evil. It is not ok. They are just lost and want to find love and we are supposed to be that love and show it to them. I think secular music a lot of the time has more of God in it than most Christian music.

We need to stop being sin/fear conscious and start being Jesus/Love conscious
 
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'These "secular" artist are actually lost sons and daughters.................................... You cannot call God's kids evil. It is not ok. They are just lost and want to find love and we are supposed to be that love and show it to them. I think secular music a lot of the time has more of God in it than most Christian music. '

Agreed that these are lost and mistaken. But they ain't 'God's kids' till they receive Him as Lord. See John 1 v 12,13. What needs to be condemned is the garbage they produce. You think the father of the prodigal son appreciated HIS ACTIONS. No, he did'nt. We need to win them in love. But the issue here is their influence on youth both in the Lord and outside. That needs to be addresed. Should we [who are in the LORD] go in the reverse gear back to the world's vomit.
 
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WELL SAID gwin7!! Even my youth pastor when I was a teenage said my "Heavy Metal" was OK. He said, be sure you know what they are saying and don't blindly sing along. Basically, be aware, aware enough to know that what they are saying is sometimes wrong.
 
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WELL SAID gwin7!! Even my youth pastor when I was a teenage said my "Heavy Metal" was OK. He said, be sure you know what they are saying and don't blindly sing along. Basically, be aware, aware enough to know that what they are saying is sometimes wrong.

Just because the lyrics might not be really bad, doesn't change the fact that it doesn't glorify God in many ways, and that the group aren't glorifying him. We ought to fear God - abstain from evil, and be jealous for him, like he's for us. Which means we are to be so jealous, zealous for him that we want him only, to receive all glory.
 
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Just because the lyrics might not be really bad, doesn't change the fact that it doesn't glorify God in many ways, and that the group aren't glorifying him. We ought to fear God - abstain from evil, and be jealous for him, like he's for us. Which means we are to be so jealous, zealous for him that we want him only, to receive all glory.

Tell me, is glorifying Him by playing simple chords and out-tuned pianos by like 100 octaves honorable? Or is it honorable when a musician plays his best? I don't see CCM doing that. Very few bands. Now that is a disgrace.
 
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Just because the lyrics might not be really bad, doesn't change the fact that it doesn't glorify God in many ways, and that the group aren't glorifying him. We ought to fear God - abstain from evil, and be jealous for him, like he's for us. Which means we are to be so jealous, zealous for him that we want him only, to receive all glory.
You are WRONG, Jonathan95, very wrong. You can love and glorify God and stil partake in "secular" things. Obsessive behavior is obsessive behavior. Just because it does not glorify god does not mean it is bad.
Tell me, Jonathan95, Does picking your nose glorify God? Don't even try to tell me you don't pick your nose. Does sitting on the couch watching TV or surfing the net always glorify God? Does going to see a "Secular" movie glorify God? Does talking to a stranger at the bus stop about you favorite donut glorify God?? I could go on.
I am a Christian, I am not in a cult.
 
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Tell me, is glorifying Him by playing simple chords and out-tuned pianos by like 100 octaves honorable? Or is it honorable when a musician plays his best? I don't see CCM doing that. Very few bands. Now that is a disgrace.

Amen! That's one of the main reasons I don't listen to CCM. Just so stale.

You are WRONG, Jonathan95, very wrong. You can love and glorify God and stil partake in "secular" things. Obsessive behavior is obsessive behavior. Just because it does not glorify god does not mean it is bad.
Tell me, Jonathan95, Does picking your nose glorify God? Don't even try to tell me you don't pick your nose. Does sitting on the couch watching TV or surfing the net always glorify God? Does going to see a "Secular" movie glorify God? Does talking to a stranger at the bus stop about you favorite donut glorify God?? I could go on.
I am a Christian, I am not in a cult.

Agreed. And what about stuff like petting your dog/cat/ferret/dragon/pet of choice? Or playing your favorite sport? We all do things and have passions that are fairly 'secular'. And what about instrumental music? No lyrics.

We glorify God through our actions as well. We can engage in secular things and glorify God. It's about our mindset. I can eat a sandwich and glorify God through that. I can play basketball and glorify God through that. When you start taking it to extremes like the OP suggests, that's when it starts to get legalistic.
 
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The devil was a worship-angel (read verse below). He therefore knows exactly how strong influence music has and can therefore affect people’s music. He wants to soil the music – it was meant to worship God with it and so. He wants to use it for his evil plans. We understand that pride / haughtiness is probably the devil’s greatest attribute? Since it was pride that caused him to fall and get thrown out. Most secular music is marked by pride. Some artists/groups may even want to be worshipped in one way or another. One thing’s for sure, that the devil gets worshipped in a way – by pride and people seeking fame and fortune by people. It is an abomination unto God, why would we go to such concerts, which is like an idolatry fest. There are many people who have artists and / or groups as Idols and posters etc of them. We as Christians should not have posters of groups and artists. We are not to have any idol either. God hates idolatry, so we should not have such posters etc. Idolatry goes against the First and Second Commandment.



Satan was thrown out from heaven. (Eze. 28:17, Isa. 14:12, Rev. 12). The Bible also says that he has wiles (Eph. 6:11) – He perverts and mimics much of God’s pure works, even the music, which is to be a tool for God’s glory to praise and worship Him. For example - Pharaoh’s magicians could turn their staffs into snakes, just as Aaron could (Exodus 7:11-13).

In 1 Samuel 10, Samuel said to Saul that he would meet with a group of prophets coming down from the high place with stringed instrument, a tambourine, a flute, and a harp before them, while they prophesy. “Then the Spirit of the Lord will come upon you, and you will prophesy with them and be turned into another man.“ (1 Samuel 10:6 NKJV).

When Saul was among those people/prophets who worshipped God and had God’s Spirit upon them, then there was a presence of God, and Saul was affected by that. He began to prophesy with them, and was transformed into ANOTHER person.

If worship has such a strong impact, how strong NEGATIVE impact doesn’t secular music have? Where the Spirit of God is not working with unbelievers – people of the world? Especially when the music is worship to Satan either indirectly or directly.



Thus, the person who plays music / sings affect people negatively through their music because it is carnal music, because those who are unbelievers and/or children of disobedience got the spirit of the world. Music has spiritual influence – as we can see above when Saul was affected so strongly through it. I will also give another example below. Carnal music appeals to the flesh and if we are born again and follow Jesus, we don’t have the spirit of the world, but the Spirit of God, and our spirit is born again, right. Therefore, we wouldn’t feel good when listening to such music, since the spirit of the world is active there. Although we might not feel any bad influence, it still affects us badly.



Just as the Holy Spirit worked through this music that David played, so can Satan work through music. Most famous artists etc are even dabbling in the occult in one way or another and thus they are tools used by Satan, whether they like/know it or not.

Marilyn Manson for example. He says “Music is the strongest form of magic.” He began to burn Bibles in his concerts, and give invitations for people to receive Satan, by encouraging kids to reject Jesus Christ and accept Satan into their hearts and minds. There are some who shot schoolchildren (called Columbine massacre or something). I have read that those who did it followed Marilyn Manson – who openly encourages murder in his music, like his song “KILL, KILL, KILL.” He also sells T-shirts with the text “Murder your parents.” Marilyn Manson also encourages suicide. Many have taken suicide when they listened to his music.

It proves that music has a strong influence. People will not commit suicide just because someone is telling them to do it? Thus there are evil spirits that work through music and people. A lot of music encourages sex, drugs, partying and other immorality. Which has made people become drug addicts etc. We should not listen to such music as Christians.

If we are to be the LIGHT of the world like Jesus said, then we aren’t to have fellowship with darkness like that? “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” (2 Corinthians 6:14).

Thus, we should not associate with people in their evil deeds and evil contexts like concerts with worldly. If we are Christians we are / are to be the light of the world (Matthew 5:14). Many concerts are idolatry fests, which I talked about in the beginning. Christians have nothing to do there, except for evangelistic purposes.

God tells us to be holy, to live holy. It also means to be set apart for him, separated from the world etc. (1 Peter 1:15 NKJV) but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 because it is written,“Be holy, for I am holy.”



So how does one find out what is acceptable to the Lord (v. 10)? Well obviously one simple method at least is by the fruit of it (see v. 9). Would you say that music where they exalt themselves and seek honor and fame is acceptable to the Lord? Or maybe where they sing about sex, drugs and money? No, that’s unfruitful works of darkness!

We should not have anything to do with such secular music about Partying, Sex, Immorality, violence and other things, and other sinful lifestyles. Music that can give rise to works of the flesh like Lust etc and to satisfy the carnal side of our nature. We are to live after the Spirit, seek to “feed” our “spiritual man.” As Romans 8 speaks of, that we are to live after the Spirit.



Here in verse 30 above it says that we should not grieve the Holy Spirit of God. The context (verses 29 and 31), indicates that there are deeds that grieve him. Verse 29 talks about not letting corrupt words proceed out of our mouths. Well, most secular music has corrupt lyrics, and so it doesn’t impart grace to the hearers (v. 29), then what does it impart? Obviously curses. But it’s another thing if we are in a shop or something, and they have music playing. But if we deliberately feed us with that kind of music, then it can open up a door for Satan and so.

We grieve The Holy Spirit by deeds. IF we grieve the Holy Spirit we can open us up for Satan. Music with lyrics about Partying, Profanity, Sex and other wickedness etc. We aren’t to listen to such music. If we have the Spirit of God in us we are to stay away from secular music, so we do not grieve the Spirit of God or wake up the flesh. If you are not sure something is right, don’t do it AT ALL “…for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.” (Romans 14:23).

Music has strong spiritual influence, whether we notice it or not. “…Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.” (Romans 12:9).



If that’s the things we are to think on, then obviously we aren’t to invite things into our minds that are contrary to these – profanity etc.



“Casting down imaginations” - Λογισμους· Reasonings or opinions. There’s a lot of these in music. Secular music has a lot of lyrics exalting itself against the knowledge of God, opposed to Christ. When one listens to secular music it can become strongholds, in several ways. For example, if one listens to a song in a shop, that melody can get stuck in one’s mind and become a stronghold. It can appeal to the weak flesh.



“Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.“ (James 4:4 NKJV) “Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.“ (James 4:8 NKJV).

Greed is called Idolatry in Col. 3:5. Greedy desire for more of the world. We aren’t to seek that which is on earth – pleasures and so on. It is enmity against God, to be carnally minded is DEATH and Enmity with God (Rom. 8:6-7). We can’t halt between God and the World, it’s to be double-minded. Our hearts must be clean before God – we must seek him and not things that are of the world.

You seem to have a far greater issue with music than the Bible does.

Instead of wrapping myself up in your rules, I'll just go with my conscience which I find a lot more liberating.

God bless.
 
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You are WRONG, Jonathan95, very wrong. You can love and glorify God and stil partake in "secular" things. Obsessive behavior is obsessive behavior. Just because it does not glorify god does not mean it is bad.
Tell me, Jonathan95, Does picking your nose glorify God? Don't even try to tell me you don't pick your nose. Does sitting on the couch watching TV or surfing the net always glorify God? Does going to see a "Secular" movie glorify God? Does talking to a stranger at the bus stop about you favorite donut glorify God?? I could go on.
I am a Christian, I am not in a cult.

There are stuff that are obviously not glorifying God, in this case secular music, which I have proven by the Bible.

To bring up stuff like "picking your nose" can't be compared with secular music and such. Does picking one's nose DISHONOR God? No, at least not if it's done with right motives.

You said: "I am a Christian, I am not in a cult."

I'm not in a cult either. Does one have to be in a cult to believe secular music is sinful?

There's a reason why theaters and bars were shut down in revival times, like in The Great Second Awakening.

I can play basketball and glorify God through that. When you start taking it to extremes like the OP suggests, that's when it starts to get legalistic.

Extremes? Why is it extreme, when it's based upon the Bible?
 
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There are stuff that are obviously not glorifying God, in this case secular music, which I have proven by the Bible.

No, you're being a bully and you need to stop.

You're inventing stupid rules and trying to put them on us, because you're trying to take out on us some issues you have by getting legalistic about something you love: music.
 
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No, you're being a bully and you need to stop.

You're inventing stupid rules and trying to put them on us, because you're trying to take out on us some issues you have by getting legalistic about something you love: music.

I'm not inventing "rules" I'm telling what the Bible says. To obey God is not legalism. I don't love all kinds of music, I only love Christian music (not all kinds of though). I'm jealous/zealous for God, like he is for me - only he is worthy of all our love and he is to have the glory, not some artist.
 
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