666 is Nero Caesar!! Partial Preterist View..

ffinder

Burned but alive!!
Dec 7, 2003
142
8
58
Europe
Visit site
✟363.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
"Partial preterism believes that most of the book was fulfilled
in the first-century, not all of the book."

Partial preterist interpretation of the Revelation, by chapter - Page 3

Revelation 13 identifies the beast's name
as being equated to the number 666
(or 616, your footnote may tell you).
John explicitly tells his readership
that they can identify the name behind 666
if they have wisdom. John places no other conditions
on how to "decipher" the number, which plainly means that
John's contemporaries could use wisdom
to determine the identity of who 666

(or 616) refers to. If the number 666 (or 616) refers to
a man in our future,
this task would be absolutely impossible

for every Christian from the first-century up to
whenever that man finally arrives on the scene.
John must have in mind a first-century man
if he honestly expects his contemporary Christians
to identify him using only wisdom

and not, say, the New York Times.
In extension, the identity of this first-century man
would be accessible to Christians of all times.

John tells his readers that the "mark of the beast"
is the beast's name or the number of that name,
being the number of a man. Hence,
the number is a man's name.
The practice of "codifying" a person's name into a number
was a very widespread practice
in first-century Hebrew, Greek, and Roman cultures,
whereas nowadays it is virtually non-existent.
As a matter of fact, there are two historically verified
Hebrew spellings of the name Nero Caesar.
In this practice of number-names,
the first spelling equates to 666,
the second spelling equates to 616.
The simple fact that man who began
the first official, legal persecution of Christians
bears a name that equates to both 666 and 616 is astounding.

The Beast (Revelation) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

..Nero, the emperor at the time John was writing the book, is the sixth king "who is". Suetonius' and Josephus' enumeration of the emperors was: Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius (the five kings who have fallen at the time that John is writing), Nero (one "who is"), and Galba - one who "has not yet come, but when he does come, he must remain for a little while" - six months (Rev. 17:10). Moreover, Rome was known in antiquity as the city of seven hills (Rev. 13:1, Rev. 17:9) and Revelation was a warning about events that were "shortly" to take place (Rev. 1:1).

In Rev. 13:5-8, the Beast was given a mouth speaking in blasphemies against God and His Name. Inscriptions have been found in Ephesus in which Nero is called "Almighty God" and "Savior".[12] In verse 4, the Beast is worshipped by the world alongside the Dragon that gave it Authority. Nero and Caligula "abandoned all reserve" in promoting emperor worship – they were the only two who demanded divine honors while still alive. Nero claimed to be the sun-god Apollo.

Finally, the readers of Revelation were told to "calculate the number of the Beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six" (Rev. 13:18). Since the Book of Revelation was written to a first-century audience, sometime in late 64 AD, John did not expect that his readers "who had understanding" to have any difficulty identifying the beast, since they could simply calculate the meaning of this cryptogram. "Neron Kaisar" (the Greek rendering, documented by archaeological finds), when transliterated into Hebrew נרון קסר (Nrwn Qsr) had a number of 666. The variant number 616 found in some manuscripts of the Greek text of Revelation may represent the alternative Hebrew spelling נרו קסר (Nrw Qsr) based on the Latin form "Nero Caesar". The variant probably existed to keep consistent the meaning of Nero as the Beast.[13]

Christians should be expecting Christ not the Anti-Christ..

This Anti-Christ with the 666 has already come.
Babylon has already fallen, so the next event in Revelation
is Jesus coming back on a a white horse.
Things can only get better!!

ff
 
  • Winner
Reactions: Lost4words

ffinder

Burned but alive!!
Dec 7, 2003
142
8
58
Europe
Visit site
✟363.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
I'm done with this dispensational - futurist view..
it's all DOOM - GLOOM
and i cannot any longer agree with it.

Verses like:
For the earth will be filled With the knowledge of the glory of the LORD,
As the waters cover the sea..
There will be no end to the INCREASE of His government or of peace
But if I cast out demons by the finger of God,
then the kingdom of God HAS COME upon you
(not that it will come some day in the millennium)
And the most famous prayer that Jesus taught
"Your Kingdom come" here on this earth.. now!!
which is our duty..

I can only conclude that things can only get better
because we Christians are here
and we have God the creator of the Universe
right now.. inside of us..

ff
 
  • Winner
Reactions: Lost4words
Upvote 0
Feb 22, 2010
355
37
✟8,672.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Irenaeus Against Heresies

Chap. XXX. — Although Certain as to the Number of the Name of Antichrist, Yet We Should Come to No Rash Conclusions as to the Name Itself, Because This Number Is Capable of Being Fitted to Many Names. Reasons for This Point Being Reserved by the Holy Spirit. Antichrist’s Reign and Death.

1. Such, then, being the state of the case, and this number being found in all the most approved and ancient copies46 [of the Apocalypse], and those men who saw John face to face bearing their testimony [to it]; while reason also leads us to conclude that the number of the name of the beast, [if reckoned] according to the Greek mode of calculation by the [value of] the letters contained in it, will amount to six hundred and sixty and six; that is, the number of tens shall be equal to that of the hundreds, and the number of hundreds equal to that of the units (for that number which [expresses] the digit six being adhered to throughout, indicates the recapitulations of that apostasy, taken in its full extent, which occurred at the beginning, during the intermediate periods, and which shall take place at the end), — I do not know how it is that some have erred following the ordinary mode of speech, and have vitiated the middle number in the name, deducting the amount of fifty from it, so that instead of six decads they will have it that there is but one. [I am inclined to think that this occurred through the fault of the copyists, as is wont to happen, since numbers also are expressed by letters; so that the Greek letter which expresses the number sixty was easily expanded into the letter Iota of the Greeks.]47 Others then received this reading without examination; some in their simplicity, and upon their own responsibility, making use of this number expressing one decad; while some, in their inexperience, have ventured to seek out a name which should contain the erroneous and spurious number. Now, as regards those who have done this in simplicity, and without evil intent, we are at liberty to assume that pardon will be granted them by God. But as for those who, for the sake of vainglory, lay it down for certain that names containing the spurious number are to be accepted, and affirm that this name, hit upon by themselves, is that of him who is to come; such persons shall not come forth without loss, because they have led into error both themselves and those who confided in them. Now, in the first place, it is loss to wander from the truth, and to imagine that as being the case which is not; then again, as there shall be no light punishment [inflicted] upon him who either adds or subtracts anything from the Scripture, (Rev_22:19) under that such a person must necessarily fall. Moreover, another danger, by no means trifling, shall overtake those who falsely presume that they know the name of Antichrist. For if these men assume one [number], when this [Antichrist] shall come having another, they will be easily led away by him, as supposing him not to be the expected one, who must be guarded against.
 
Upvote 0

Gnarwhal

☩ Broman Catholic ☩
Oct 31, 2008
20,393
12,081
37
N/A
✟433,756.00
Country
United States
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Libertarian
Not being a Dispy has really made life a lot more enjoyable, plus I spend a lot less on ammo now ;).

Haha... were you ever into Steve Quayle or Alex Jones? I used to be when I bought into the futurist stuff and I was always looking for ways to "prepare".
 
Upvote 0

precepts

Newbie
Aug 20, 2008
3,094
135
55
United States Virgin Islands
✟24,096.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
"Partial preterism believes that most of the book was fulfilled
in the first-century, not all of the book."

Partial preterist interpretation of the Revelation, by chapter - Page 3

Revelation 13 identifies the beast's name
as being equated to the number 666
(or 616, your footnote may tell you).
The exact phrase is the number of his name, not his name equals the number. The old testament book "Numbers" holds the key:


Num 1:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of the congregation, on the first [day] of the second month, in the second year after they were come out of the land of Egypt, saying,

Num 1:2 Take ye the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel, after their families, by the house of their fathers, with the number of [their] names, every male by their polls;


Compared with the 4 Euphrates river angels:
Rev 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Rev 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen [were] two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
- Each "angel" is a host of 50,000,000 entities. The 4 angels number 200,000,000 horsemen. :preach:






John tells his readers that the "mark of the beast"
is the beast's name or the number of that name,
being the number of a man. Hence,
the number is a man's name.
"Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name". :liturgy:







..Nero, the emperor at the time John was writing the book, is the sixth king "who is". Suetonius' and Josephus' enumeration of the emperors was: Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius (the five kings who have fallen at the time that John is writing), Nero (one "who is"), and Galba - one who "has not yet come, but when he does come, he must remain for a little while" - six months (Rev. 17:10). Moreover, Rome was known in antiquity as the city of seven hills (Rev. 13:1, Rev. 17:9) and Revelation was a warning about events that were "shortly" to take place (Rev. 1:1).
Regardless of Nero's name adding up to 666, Nero is the historical 5th Roman Emperor. It was during the "Year of the Four Emperors" (68-69 a.d.) that Revelation was written.

This Josephus you're citing adopted the name "Flavius" from the historical 9th (biblical 8th) Roman Emperor Vespasianus who ended the Julio-Claudian dynasty and started the Flavian dynasty with his two sons, the historical 10th and 11th Roman Emperors. It was this emperor that destroyed Jerusalem fulfilling Christ's prophecy of rumours of wars (post the "Year of the Four" emperors).

Nerva, the historical 12th (biblical 11th) Roman emperor/horn plucked up the Flavian dynasty while instituting the worship of Flavian and began the "Five Good Emperors" reign in Rome, fulfilling the "5th beast" in Daniel and the "2nd beast' in Revelation when he gave the title of "Caesar" to the emperors to be, making the last ruling Caesar in Roman history his predecessor. :priest:





In Rev. 13:5-8, the Beast was given a mouth speaking in blasphemies against God and His Name. Inscriptions have been found in Ephesus in which Nero is called "Almighty God" and "Savior".[12] In verse 4, the Beast is worshipped by the world alongside the Dragon that gave it Authority. Nero and Caligula "abandoned all reserve" in promoting emperor worship – they were the only two who demanded divine honors while still alive. Nero claimed to be the sun-god Apollo.
And who's the "false prophet?" If Nero is the 6th, who"s the 8th and 11th? :crossrc:







Christians should be expecting Christ not the Anti-Christ..

This Anti-Christ with the 666 has already come.
Babylon has already fallen, so the next event in Revelation
is Jesus coming back on a a white horse.
Things can only get better!!
There are 3 resurrections. The 1st is Revelations account of the great multitude and the "144,000" that I interpret to be the whole nation of righteous Israel (Ezekiel's vision of the dry bones). The 2nd (after the 1,000 yr reign) which is the resurrection of all the dead up to that time prophesied in Daniel 12, andthe 3rd is the "Wheat and Tares" harvest of the physical world into the New Jerusalem (barn)/lake of fire. :prayer:
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

LittleLambofJesus

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!
Site Supporter
May 19, 2015
125,492
28,588
73
GOD's country of Texas
Visit site
✟1,237,270.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Libertarian
"Partial preterism believes that most of the book was fulfilled
in the first-century, not all of the book."

Partial preterist interpretation of the Revelation, by chapter - Page 3
I'm done with this dispensational - futurist view..
it's all DOOM - GLOOM and i cannot any longer agree with it.
ff
:amen: :oldthumbsup:.

https://www.preteristarchive.com/category/significance-of-ad70/

Transition Text Theory Study Archive


Did Jesus divide His Olivet Discourses between two subjects and separate their fulfillment by thousands of years? If so, how or when? Continue reading “Transition Text Theory Study Archive”

Titus Flavius Vespasianus Study Archive

God co-operates with us. — Their miseries, by your valor and God’s assistance, are multiplied. Their factions, famine, siege, and the falling of their walls without a battery, do they not manifest that God is angry with them, and assists us? – Titus Continue reading “Titus Flavius Vespasianus Study Archive”

R.C. Sproul: The Last Days According to Jesus (1998)

The radical character of John’s baptism is also seen in this light. He called Jewish people to undergo this cleansing rite because their King is about to appear and they are defiled and unready to meet him. Consequently John calls the people to repent and be baptized. “The kingdom of heaven is at hand”. Continue reading “R.C. Sproul: The Last Days According to Jesus (1998)”

John Denton: Prophetic Day or Year – Jerusalem’s Destruction and the Seventy Weeks (1998)

Everything that God had given this nation had been stripped away. The model of God’s Kingdom project had now been destroyed. The real thing was now under construction its foundations already laid. Continue reading “John Denton: Prophetic Day or Year – Jerusalem’s Destruction and the Seventy Weeks (1998)”

Colin Green, How could a historical Jesus predict that the Temple would be destroyed? (2015)
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,777
3,419
Non-dispensationalist
✟359,569.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
..Nero, the emperor at the time John was writing the book, is the sixth king "who is". Suetonius' and Josephus' enumeration of the emperors was: Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius (the five kings who have fallen at the time that John is writing), Nero (one "who is"), and Galba - one who "has not yet come, but when he does come, he must remain for a little while" - six months (Rev. 17:10).
So how are you getting Nero to be the eighth king?

I agree that the first six are...

"Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius (the five kings who have fallen at the time that John is writing), Nero (one "who is")"
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

LittleLambofJesus

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!
Site Supporter
May 19, 2015
125,492
28,588
73
GOD's country of Texas
Visit site
✟1,237,270.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Libertarian
There is another place that mentions the number 666 concerning King Solomon:

Significance of Solomon's 666 talents of gold?

1 Kings 10:14 says, "the weight of gold which Solomon received every year was 666 talents of gold, besides what came from tradesmen, from the traffic of the merchants, and from all the kings of Arabia and the governors of the regions." (Jewish Study Bible).

Is there any significance of this number, or any commentaries about it?
=========================================
3 Answers

I don't think it's too much of a coincidence.

If we look back at the law for kings in Deuteronomy 17, It prohibits the king from multiplying horses and chariots, wives, and wealth. This is exactly what Solomon is doing in 1 Kings 10-11. Chapter ten begins by commending his great wisdom, but then steps through his decline - that is, he begins violating the rules for kings by multiplying gold (666 talents a year), multiplying horses and chariots, and finally multiplying wives who turn his heart away from following Yahweh. He sets up centers of false worship for all the foreign gods of his wives. So, the number 666 is associated with Solomon in his fall, his abuse of power, and his turning away from true worship of Yahweh.

In Revelation, Jesus sets up worship interactions under the symbol of business transactions - buying and selling.

I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may see.

This is picked up in chapter 13 with reference to worship in the false temple - the image set up by the beast which must be worshiped on pain of death. Everyone must worship the image, but no one may do so without the mark. The buying and selling referred to here is of the same kind established by Jesus in chapter 3. It is worship - spiritual transactions.

This kind of forced worship of an image set up also has ties back to Nebuchadnezzar.

King Nebuchadnezzar made an image of gold, whose height was sixty cubits and its breadth six cubits... And the herald proclaimed aloud, “You are commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages, that when you hear the sound of the horn, pipe, lyre, trigon, harp, bagpipe, and every kind of music, you are to fall down and worship the golden image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up. And whoever does not fall down and worship shall immediately be cast into a burning fiery furnace.”

Nebuchadnezzar is acting as a beast (and later, even more so) and sets up an image to be worshiped. Again, we have six and sixty associated with worship of a false image on pain of death.

All of this comes together in the name and number of the man - 666. This sums up man in his fallen state. The number carries with it the fallen glory of Solomon, his degraded wisdom, his failure to follow the word of God, his abuse of power, and his allowing himself to be turned aside to the worship of impotent gods.

Don't be afraid of symbolism; it's good for you :)
 
Upvote 0

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,777
3,419
Non-dispensationalist
✟359,569.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
To those who believe the
DOOM - GLOOM
dispensational - futurist view

here's an unrelated video
that shows that
things ARE getting better:

ff

The Poor Will NOT ALWAYS Be With Us - YouTube
The futurist view is the blessed hope of Jesus's coming, and return, and the Kingdom of God becoming the ruling kingdom over the nations, with Jesus ruling the nations with a rod of iron.

Gloom and doom is the world continuing as is.
 
Upvote 0

Lost4words

Jesus I Trust In You
Site Supporter
May 19, 2018
10,998
11,744
Neath, Wales, UK
✟1,011,749.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Single
"Partial preterism believes that most of the book was fulfilled
in the first-century, not all of the book."

Partial preterist interpretation of the Revelation, by chapter - Page 3

Revelation 13 identifies the beast's name
as being equated to the number 666
(or 616, your footnote may tell you).
John explicitly tells his readership
that they can identify the name behind 666
if they have wisdom. John places no other conditions
on how to "decipher" the number, which plainly means that
John's contemporaries could use wisdom
to determine the identity of who 666

(or 616) refers to. If the number 666 (or 616) refers to
a man in our future,
this task would be absolutely impossible

for every Christian from the first-century up to
whenever that man finally arrives on the scene.
John must have in mind a first-century man
if he honestly expects his contemporary Christians
to identify him using only wisdom

and not, say, the New York Times.
In extension, the identity of this first-century man
would be accessible to Christians of all times.

John tells his readers that the "mark of the beast"
is the beast's name or the number of that name,
being the number of a man. Hence,
the number is a man's name.
The practice of "codifying" a person's name into a number
was a very widespread practice
in first-century Hebrew, Greek, and Roman cultures,
whereas nowadays it is virtually non-existent.
As a matter of fact, there are two historically verified
Hebrew spellings of the name Nero Caesar.
In this practice of number-names,
the first spelling equates to 666,
the second spelling equates to 616.
The simple fact that man who began
the first official, legal persecution of Christians
bears a name that equates to both 666 and 616 is astounding.

The Beast (Revelation) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

..Nero, the emperor at the time John was writing the book, is the sixth king "who is". Suetonius' and Josephus' enumeration of the emperors was: Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius (the five kings who have fallen at the time that John is writing), Nero (one "who is"), and Galba - one who "has not yet come, but when he does come, he must remain for a little while" - six months (Rev. 17:10). Moreover, Rome was known in antiquity as the city of seven hills (Rev. 13:1, Rev. 17:9) and Revelation was a warning about events that were "shortly" to take place (Rev. 1:1).

In Rev. 13:5-8, the Beast was given a mouth speaking in blasphemies against God and His Name. Inscriptions have been found in Ephesus in which Nero is called "Almighty God" and "Savior".[12] In verse 4, the Beast is worshipped by the world alongside the Dragon that gave it Authority. Nero and Caligula "abandoned all reserve" in promoting emperor worship – they were the only two who demanded divine honors while still alive. Nero claimed to be the sun-god Apollo.

Finally, the readers of Revelation were told to "calculate the number of the Beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six" (Rev. 13:18). Since the Book of Revelation was written to a first-century audience, sometime in late 64 AD, John did not expect that his readers "who had understanding" to have any difficulty identifying the beast, since they could simply calculate the meaning of this cryptogram. "Neron Kaisar" (the Greek rendering, documented by archaeological finds), when transliterated into Hebrew נרון קסר (Nrwn Qsr) had a number of 666. The variant number 616 found in some manuscripts of the Greek text of Revelation may represent the alternative Hebrew spelling נרו קסר (Nrw Qsr) based on the Latin form "Nero Caesar". The variant probably existed to keep consistent the meaning of Nero as the Beast.[13]

Christians should be expecting Christ not the Anti-Christ..

This Anti-Christ with the 666 has already come.
Babylon has already fallen, so the next event in Revelation
is Jesus coming back on a a white horse.
Things can only get better!!

ff

100% agree. Well said and very factual and true.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

LittleLambofJesus

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!
Site Supporter
May 19, 2015
125,492
28,588
73
GOD's country of Texas
Visit site
✟1,237,270.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Libertarian
ffinder said:
"Partial preterism believes that most of the book was fulfilled
in the first-century, not all of the book."

Partial preterist interpretation of the Revelation, by chapter - Page 3
100% agree. Well said and very factual and true.
Yes.
Most partial preterists view most but not all of the Olivet Discourse and Revelation as fulfilled, and like futurists, not all agree with each other.

Here is an interesting post on a thread that spells it out rather well:
There are varied amill views out there. This is a huge mistake that futurist make in thinking all preterist are in agreement.

I have:

*Kim Riddlebarger's exposition of Matthew 24

*D A Carson does a great exposition on Matthew 24

I heard them on the site monergism.com, it's a great website to have as a resource: Monergism.com :: Classic Articles and Resources of the Historic Christian Faith


Books
*R C Sproul has a great book "The Last Days According to Jesus"

*Hank Hannegraf's book "The Apocalypse Code" is quite good too.


Here are some free books available in .pdf format:

*Kenneth Gentry - "Before Jerusalem Fell" - 1989 (The dating of Revelation).

*Phillip Mauro - "The Seventy Weeks and the Great Tribulation A Study of the Last Two Visions of Daniel, and of the Olivet Discourse of the Lord Jesus Christ - 1944

*Stuart Russell - "The Parousia" - 1878

When it comes to amill, I don't like the term, it suggest there's no millennium when the fact is I believe the millennial reign started when Christ was raised, and it continues until He returns in judgment of the world. I view the 1000 years are symbolic of that time period.
 
Upvote 0

Berean Tim

Well-Known Member
Mar 19, 2017
577
207
67
Houston TX
✟146,731.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
"Partial preterism believes that most of the book was fulfilled
in the first-century, not all of the book."

Partial preterist interpretation of the Revelation, by chapter - Page 3

Revelation 13 identifies the beast's name
as being equated to the number 666
(or 616, your footnote may tell you).
John explicitly tells his readership
that they can identify the name behind 666
if they have wisdom. John places no other conditions
on how to "decipher" the number, which plainly means that
John's contemporaries could use wisdom
to determine the identity of who 666

(or 616) refers to. If the number 666 (or 616) refers to
a man in our future,
this task would be absolutely impossible

for every Christian from the first-century up to
whenever that man finally arrives on the scene.
John must have in mind a first-century man
if he honestly expects his contemporary Christians
to identify him using only wisdom

and not, say, the New York Times.
In extension, the identity of this first-century man
would be accessible to Christians of all times.

John tells his readers that the "mark of the beast"
is the beast's name or the number of that name,
being the number of a man. Hence,
the number is a man's name.
The practice of "codifying" a person's name into a number
was a very widespread practice
in first-century Hebrew, Greek, and Roman cultures,
whereas nowadays it is virtually non-existent.
As a matter of fact, there are two historically verified
Hebrew spellings of the name Nero Caesar.
In this practice of number-names,
the first spelling equates to 666,
the second spelling equates to 616.
The simple fact that man who began
the first official, legal persecution of Christians
bears a name that equates to both 666 and 616 is astounding.

The Beast (Revelation) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

..Nero, the emperor at the time John was writing the book, is the sixth king "who is". Suetonius' and Josephus' enumeration of the emperors was: Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius (the five kings who have fallen at the time that John is writing), Nero (one "who is"), and Galba - one who "has not yet come, but when he does come, he must remain for a little while" - six months (Rev. 17:10). Moreover, Rome was known in antiquity as the city of seven hills (Rev. 13:1, Rev. 17:9) and Revelation was a warning about events that were "shortly" to take place (Rev. 1:1).

In Rev. 13:5-8, the Beast was given a mouth speaking in blasphemies against God and His Name. Inscriptions have been found in Ephesus in which Nero is called "Almighty God" and "Savior".[12] In verse 4, the Beast is worshipped by the world alongside the Dragon that gave it Authority. Nero and Caligula "abandoned all reserve" in promoting emperor worship – they were the only two who demanded divine honors while still alive. Nero claimed to be the sun-god Apollo.

Finally, the readers of Revelation were told to "calculate the number of the Beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six" (Rev. 13:18). Since the Book of Revelation was written to a first-century audience, sometime in late 64 AD, John did not expect that his readers "who had understanding" to have any difficulty identifying the beast, since they could simply calculate the meaning of this cryptogram. "Neron Kaisar" (the Greek rendering, documented by archaeological finds), when transliterated into Hebrew נרון קסר (Nrwn Qsr) had a number of 666. The variant number 616 found in some manuscripts of the Greek text of Revelation may represent the alternative Hebrew spelling נרו קסר (Nrw Qsr) based on the Latin form "Nero Caesar". The variant probably existed to keep consistent the meaning of Nero as the Beast.[13]

Christians should be expecting Christ not the Anti-Christ..

This Anti-Christ with the 666 has already come.
Babylon has already fallen, so the next event in Revelation
is Jesus coming back on a a white horse.
Things can only get better!!

ff
Nero was not the Antichrist. For one you must use grammatical gymnastics to get to 666. Nero Caesar equals 616. One must add a N to Nero to get Neron Caesar to get to 666. However , the normal Hebrew is spelled qysr which adds 10 to equal 676. This theory didn't come about until the 1830's the same era as the pre-trib rapture.
The above is from "Debunking Preterism" by Brock Hollett.

Further more , Nero never went the Jerusalem and sat in the temple proclaiming to be god.( 2nd Thess)
Nero didn't have "a fatal head wound that was healed" (Rev 13)

Finally , Nero committed suicide in 68 AD. Revelation 19 has the Beast and False Prophet captured and thrown alive in the Lake of Fire.

He certainly was a tyrant that persecuted the church. But he does not match all the descriptions in scripture
 
  • Like
Reactions: Billy UK
Upvote 0

grafted branch

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Feb 21, 2019
1,526
246
47
Washington
✟260,525.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
I haven’t seen this view of the number 666 here yet so I would like to share it with everyone.

We are told to count the number of the beast in Revelation 13:18. The truncated decimal form of 1/3 is .333 and 2/3 is .666. In Isaiah 19:23-25 it states that Israel will be the 1/3 along with Assyria and Egypt and Israel is the Lord’s inheritance. In Revelation 11:8 the 2 witness’s bodies are in the street of the great city spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. If the understanding of the number 666 is 2/3 then it is Israel that is in view when we see 1/3 and Gentile nations are in view otherwise, which are called by 2 other names such as Sodom and Egypt or Assyria and Egypt.

Romans 9:6 states that they are not all Israel, which are of Israel. I don’t necessarily think the 1/3 is always speaking of nation Israel but could be 1/3 are believers and 2/3 are unbelievers. In Revelation 16:19 the great city is divided into 3 parts and then the cities of the nation’s fall and Babylon comes into remembrance before God. I think this passage should be viewed along with Revelation 18:4 where it states come out of her my people that ye be not partakers of her sins and that ye receive not of her plagues.

In Revelation 8 when the 7 trumpets are sounded it states that 1/3 of the trees are burnt up, 1/3 part of the sea became blood, 1/3 of the ships were destroyed … and so on. I think this 1/3 is speaking of Israel, so when the second trumpet is sounded a great mountain burning with fire is cast into the sea and it kills 1/3 of the creatures in the sea that had life. If the mountain is mount Sinai and is referring to the 10 commandments then it is the law that can’t be kept that kills 1/3 of the creatures that had life. In Matthew 21:21 after the disciples saw Jesus speak to the fig tree and it withered away, Jesus says if ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye say unto this mountain, be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. This verse seems to indicate that the mountain or the law is removed for those who believe but the rest of mankind or the sea of mankind still has this plague.
 
Upvote 0

parousia70

Livin' in yesterday's tomorrow
Site Supporter
Feb 24, 2002
15,534
4,827
57
Oregon
✟799,154.00
Country
United States
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Nero was not the Antichrist. For one you must use grammatical gymnastics to get to 666.
Not as much Gymnastics as one must use to claim the Bible teaches 666 = antichrist.

Nero Caesar equals 616.
And Papyrus 115 has it as such.

Further more , Nero never went the Jerusalem and sat in the temple proclaiming to be god.( 2nd Thess)

Again, neither antichrist nor the Beast were prophesied to do that.

You have fabricated, or are perpetuating a fabrication, that the Scriptural Beast, Antichrist, & Man of Sin are the Same Individual.

Scripture teaches no such thing.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Berean Tim

Well-Known Member
Mar 19, 2017
577
207
67
Houston TX
✟146,731.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Not as much Gymnastics as one must use to claim the Bible teaches 666 = antichrist.


And Papyrus 115 has it as such.



Again, neither antichrist nor the Beast were prophesied to do that.

You have fabricated, or are perpetuating a fabrication, that the Scriptural Beast, Antichrist, & Man of Sin are the Same Individual.

Scripture teaches no such thing.
You have fabricated, or are perpetuating a fabrication, that the Scriptural Beast, Antichrist, & Man of Sin are the Same Individual.

Preterist have to separate these to fit their theory. Most others agreed the "man" in Daniel , 2nd Thessalonians and Revelation 13 are speaking of the same person.

Again, Nero had no "fatal head wound that was healed" as the Beast of Revelation does. Nor did the False Prophet build an image of him that speaks.

Who is the False Prophet in Preterism ?
 
Upvote 0