20K troops stationed in US by 2011

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The problem was they were slow to get there. Of course, there was also a shortage of them since many were deployed overseas.
And why were they slow to get there? I submitt because the state authorities expected the Feds to handle everything, while the Feds (FEMA) sat and waited because they thought their job was to assist in the states efforts, not take them over. Add the fact the they all, the state authorities, Fema, and the president had their heads up their you know what's.
 
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I agree. Let's hope everybody learned from their mistakes. (I'm not holding my breath)
Well that's just the thing, they did learn their lessons by evidence of disasters afterwards, especially how smoothly it all went with what happend in New Orleans this last August and in Houston.

There is no need for US Army troops to take over what the National Guard is already capable of doing.

Don't you realise that what we would have is a Gestopo, state police?
 
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Well that's just the thing, they did learn their lessons by evidence of disasters afterwards, especially how smoothly it all went with what happend in New Orleans this last August and in Houston.

There is no need for US Army troops to take over what the National Guard is already capable of doing.

Don't you realise that what we would have is a Gestopo, state police?


I guess I'm not that cynical. I remember reading John Birch society letters claiming the UN had camps in the US and they were preparing to put US citizens in them in the 90s.

I guess I'm saying, let's not jump to hasty conclusions.
 
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I guess I'm not that cynical. I remember reading John Birch society letters claiming the UN had camps in the US and they were preparing to put US citizens in them in the 90s.

I guess I'm saying, let's not jump to hasty conclusions.
Very true but John Birch was just shooting from the hip, he had no real evidence.

That's a good message Alpine, lets not jump to hasty conclusions, but I haven't come to any conclusions, I'm just not afraid to view the evidence and make excuses. After all, aren't excuses nothing but hasty conclusions also? :p
 
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zugzwang,
i must admit you have irked me to a degree, so staying out of the flesh ruled emotions is somewhat of a challenge here.

so, it is alright for the finest young men &women, & their leaders to be deployed thousnands of miles from home & their loved ones, & to fight with courage & bravery for your butt, some at the ultimate cost of their lives, others being horribly wounded for the rest of their lives, & others battling psychological trauma from the horrors of war, but yet you cry foul , when they may assist here at home in your safety, how dare you.

may i remind you, that the military never acts apart from YOUR electd civilain leaders. the military is not an independent , self governing force, nor are they some radical group oppsed to the united states constitution, they never declare war, they never go to war, NEVER, except by the command of a civilian .

i was a state law enforcement officer for years, & there were many times that having an agency as large as the military, with the resources & the skilled personnel , would have been a tremendous aide. you, have watched one to many goofy hollywood films, get a grip.

i now work for the united states army, working with the unit that trains the 187th. military police corps, & these young men & women bring tears to my eyes, & make my heart swell with pride at the steady resolve they have in being willing to lay down their life for you, you owe them an apology for your post.

the military is not going to take over the country, there is not a secret plot to have a military state, they may just be used in times of crisis to help take rapid care & restore things to normal.

oh, & by the way, i have never been for the war in iraq, never, it has been wrong from the very start, but guess who is responsible for it, an elected civilian leader, not a military officer or agency.

the next time, & there have many so far during this engagement, when the streets here at ft. leanord wood are lined with soldiers as they salute the flag draped casket of a fallen hero as they are slowly driven past us, i will thank them for you, & ask them to forgive you, as you obviously don't know what your doing.
 
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Scary time to be American. I like what Glenn Beck had to say:
GLENN: You know, I was going to talk a little bit about India and Pakistan but I want to change because there's a breaking headline now on Drudge. While the rest of the world is going to pay attention today to Barack Obama and Senator Hillary Clinton and they are going to make this the big story, the big story today, at least for those people that are following the world, should be Pentagon to deploy 20,000 troops inside the U.S. for domestic security.
I told you this story two months ago? Was it two months ago, Joe, when I first found this story. And I said on the air this cannot be true. It can't be true. The only source I could find on that day was in Stars and Stripes and I knew that Stars and Stripes wasn't going to print something about the troops that wasn't true, and I brought that story to you. Now, these guys are being deployed for security for chemical, biological, terrorist activity, natural disaster. But this is what the National Guard is for. The reason why our founding fathers said there would be no standing army is because the federal government has no place in your town. The power to order troops, the power to be able to have people with weapons in your neighborhood must not ever be in the hands of the President or the congress. It must be in the hand of the individual governors. Our founders knew this. 20,000 -- this is a battalion. This is something entirely new.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/18737/
 
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yeki:

based on reading your previous posts i have a feeling that if it ever did go south, and we were in the same area when it happened, we'd both be shooting in the same direction, not in opposition.

alpine & neph: you guys forget though, that sean penn got there in less than a day, after saying on ET or some place like that that he was gonna do just that. i remember the video, he was carrying a baseball bat or something, right?

also please don't compare this to katrina, that was so inept that its bound to make ppl fall asleep in the most comfortable way, and as funny as the notion is, i'm actually serious bout this one.

ewk: i'll be as polite to you as you were to me; back off.

I took the oath too, to protect this country, against ALL enemies, both foreign AND domestic, tyvm. My MOS was 31 Nov. I did my basic at Ft. Jackson, and my ait at Ft. Gordon, the rest is my business. now as to your points.
so, it is alright for the finest young men &women, & their leaders to be deployed thousnands of miles from home & their loved ones, & to fight with courage & bravery for your butt, some at the ultimate cost of their lives, others being horribly wounded for the rest of their lives, & others battling psychological trauma from the horrors of war, but yet you cry foul , when they may assist here at home in your safety, how dare you.
yes, how dare i actually expect the constituition be upheld by my government. this kind of thing is SUPPOSSED to be handled by the states, not the feds. and last time i checked, the guard and the cops are here to "protect and serve" last time i checked the milatary's function is still to kill ppl and break things. difference? yeah.

may i remind you, that the military never acts apart from YOUR electd civilain leaders. the military is not an independent , self governing force, nor are they some radical group oppsed to the united states constitution, they never declare war, they never go to war, NEVER, except by the command of a civilian .
my civilian leaders are held in the lowest contempt in the HISTORY of this country! congress has what, a 13% approval rating? that's lower than bush! and don't even start me on that whole "not oppossed to the constituition" trip. we haven't declared war LEGALLY since ww2, but that didn't stop them from going now did it? our armed forces are governed by MEN, more importantly, men in a sinful state, which, last time i checked MY bible, makes them under the control of whom? thats right, the god of this world.

i was a state law enforcement officer for years, & there were many times that having an agency as large as the military, with the resources & the skilled personnel , would have been a tremendous aide. you, have watched one to many goofy hollywood films, get a grip.
i see the patriot act, i see the suspension of habeus corpus, i see the president have the legal authority to declare anyone an "enemy combatant, and dissapear without a trial. i see illegal wiretaping, with no warrant, i see TSA agents making 80 year old women take off their shoes, cause "they might be terrorists", yet not have the common sense (due to political correctness) not to do any profiling. i see us citizens being put on a "watch list". i saw the way the police handled protestors at the RNC & DNC this summer. (yes there were some protestors, but i also saw a number of ppl from the press get arrested. you don't suppress the press! and you're telling me that i need to get a grip? PFFFFFFFFFTTTTTT.

i now work for the united states army, working with the unit that trains the 187th. military police corps, & these young men & women bring tears to my eyes, & make my heart swell with pride at the steady resolve they have in being willing to lay down their life for you, you owe them an apology for your post.
no, actually you owe me an apology for your post, because i have nothing against my country's soldiers, save one thing: the government doesn't let them do their job properly, they (feds) always tie their hands. we could've been out of iraq in 2 weeks had they let them take the gloves off. (if anyone doubts me, look what Gen. Blackjack Pershing did in the philipines with islamic terrorists in the 1880's, and see what happened.) we could, and should have done that.

but more importantly, i find it very insidious, that instead of "helping" it's citizens, this force may very well be ordered to fire upon its own citizens. don't you question the timing of all this? they come over here amidst a recession, the story itself was BURIED, because of hillary and obama, and you think they're over here to help WHY? because that's what the press release said?!

do you often believe everything you read?

the next time, & there have many so far during this engagement, when the streets here at ft. leanord wood are lined with soldiers as they salute the flag draped casket of a fallen hero as they are slowly driven past us, i will thank them for you, & ask them to forgive you, as you obviously don't know what your doing.
i have already done that, MANY times. My grandfather was shot down in korea, behind enemy lines, and my old man was a ranger. and unlike you, i don't believe everything my government tells me.

one last thing, it would do you well to remember exactly how this country was founded. it wasn't done by sheeple being good lil boys and girls, obeying everything their government told them to do now was it? funny how the definition for the word "patriot" has changed in 200 years now huh?

good day.
 
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I believe a lot of people here are missing the point. I am very scared of of Obama's plan to build a civilian army and increase domestic troop levels, not because I don't trust the troops, but because I don't trust HIM. I am very scared of his plans to make civil service and community service mandatory for middle school and high school students and for ages 18-25 years old because I believe they will provide the catalyst for indoctrination. Under a president whom I trust, I would not worry about such things. However, in the hands of a man with communist and socialist ties and philosophies, I believe these plans will turn sinister and will cause us to lose many freedoms, or at least have them curtailed dramatically. If you don't believe that Obama intends to indoctrinate our youth with his brand of "patriotism", then just research what went on during the Annenburg Challenge back in Chicago. This man is dangerous and we only need to look at history throughout the world to see how these civil armies have really worked. I pray that the Church in this nation is stronger than that and will wake up and see what is happening and will pray. People please, don't be lulled into thinking these are all harmless, or even beneficial plans. Be vigilant and pray.
 
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Very true but John Birch was just shooting from the hip, he had no real evidence.

That's a good message Alpine, lets not jump to hasty conclusions, but I haven't come to any conclusions, I'm just not afraid to view the evidence and make excuses. After all, aren't excuses nothing but hasty conclusions also? :p



augh! You just made me go cross eyed!
 
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I took the oath too, to protect this country, against ALL enemies, both foreign AND domestic, tyvm. My MOS was 31 Nov. I did my basic at Ft. Jackson, and my ait at Ft. Gordon, the rest is my business. now as to your points.

Mine was 97B. Did basic at Ft. Jackson and AIT at Ft. Huachuca. I remember at Huachuca being ready and even a little anxious to go to Afganistan and get in on the fight and then we heard down through the pipe line about us possibly going into IRAQ. My first reaction (like many others I imagine) was "what the heck does Iraq have to do with anything?" I left the Army about a month before we went into Iraq. I have been opposed to the decision of us going into Iraq from day one and have gotten into some heated arguments and cold shoulders from more than a few evangelical friends who were strong bush supporters.

It took John McCain in the primaries saying that Bush made mistakes before many evangelicals would admit that Bush was not the knight in shining Christian armour that they had wished he would be.



Yes, how dare I actually expect the constituition be upheld by my government.
I don't understand how civilian leaders can swear an oath to uphold and defend the U.S. Constitution and then blatantly ignore it...then again maybe I can...maybe they just don't really care.


Quote from http://www.gnn.tv/

“I don’t give a g**d***,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.”

“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a g**d***** piece of paper!”
 
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i remember the talk in the starships at jackson was we're gonna go to panama. it didn't make any sense to us, but it didn't pan out anyway.

for alot of us, most of us had fathers in vietnam, so even in '89 we talked about it. quite a few of us said (quite vocally) that before we went anywhere else, we should go back to nam and get our guys back. today that would be tinfoil speak, but back then we knew better.

as for the constituition we shoulda revolted decades ago. i remember reading that the founders had a problem paying 10% tax b/c that was the amount that god got. whats it now, 35-40%? they'd call us crazy for even putting up with that.

but, "its the economy stupid." we're fat, lazy, and comfortable, and with that comes apathy and ignorance. i was a republican till '06 when the dems ran on this promise: bring them home, bring them home, bring them home. COULD the dems have cut funding for the troops, therefore FORCING them to come home? yes. would it have been political suicide to do so even though that was the campaign they ran? yes. after '06 i became an independant. anyone believing either side is good for this country needs either haladol or thorazine.

MOST of our so-called "leaders", if you wanna get technical, should be charged with either sedition or treason. pelosi, bush, rove, and cheney for sure. and pelosi said impeachment was off the table?!? how'd that happen? geesh.

if the soldiers in iraq did a public display of dipping their catridges in pigs blood in downtown iraq, (make a show of it) you KNOW this would've been over with years ago. can't have your virgins if you're "defiled". but its not pc, so we won't do it.

i said it before, and will again. (and again, and again probably) the only SANE ppl in this country, imo, (worldwise) are the ones living off the grid, and possibly the militias out west. (and no i aint talking about those aryan white power types either.)

i need a tylenol. lol.
 
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Quote from http://www.gnn.tv/

“I don’t give a g**d***,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.”

“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a g**d***** piece of paper!”



Uhhhh....you got a better source then a far leftist website that supports 9-1-1 truthers?

No credible news source has run with that internet rumor.
 
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zugzwang,

i offer my apology to you, i must admit, that without knowing your history, i assumed that perhaps this was just the wailing of a faint hearted liberal. but, i was indeed wrong, & my speculation was one of error. i apologize, you have paid your dues, you have served your country, & i as a fellow veteran of the united states army, must stand in respect of you as you voice your opinion.

as a side note, you stated that you took your a.i.t. at ft. gordon. my son, after serving in iraq, & then at gitmo bay, cuba, is now an a.i.t. instructor at ft. gordon.

done properly, i believe that the armed forces provide tremendous assistance to the u.s. citizens, provided that the civilian leaders do not violate the law of the united states, as the current administration has so arrogantly been guilty of.

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Uhhhh....you got a better source then a far leftist website that supports 9-1-1 truthers?

No credible news source has run with that internet rumor.
I agree! That was all made up.
 
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