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10 Evolution Is A Lie: Theory of Evolution Implies Death And Evil Are Good

Discussion in 'Physical & Life Sciences' started by speakout, Oct 15, 2008.

  1. Matthewj1985

    Matthewj1985 New Member

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    Some dogs would and others wouldn't. I don't see a pack of 120-150 pound wolves welcoming a Chihuahua into their ranks. Also you would have issues of pack structure with wolves.

    Pigs would be great survivors. Hitchens has a great section about pigs in "God is not Great". He talks about how if you let domestic pigs "roam" they create family structures very simaler to humans and act "civilized". Here is the southern US we have feral pigs that are the result of cross breading of domestic pigs and Javelinas. They breed like CRAZY and you can hunt them whenever, wherever and however (stupid rednecks actually get a pack of dogs to attack the pig and hold it, then start stabbing it till it bleeds out) you want. Also if they are charging head on their skull has such a slope to it that it has been known to deflect high caliber rifle rounds.
     
  2. Split Rock

    Split Rock Conflation of Blathers

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    Domesticated dogs form pack-like groups without any problems. While its true that some particular domestic breeds are not condusive to a wild existance, they can still interbreed with others as well as wolves. As a species, the domestic dog would survive, though it would likely be a hybrid wolf-dog species. That was my point.


    Well, if you're from the South, I didn't need to tell you about feral pigs! LOL! Interesting, about the rifle rounds being deflected off their heads... kind of like sloped armor on a tank. I read that an angle of 60 degrees doubles the effective strength of steel armor on a tank.
     
  3. Matthewj1985

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    I think within 4-5 generations you would have a good hybridization and the domestic dog species would simply be "out competed" for food. I mean the only 2 niches for wild dogs in the United States would be hunting and killing larger prey (cattle, deer, moose...) or scavenging and killing small prey. Without humans the grey wolf would easily reclaim its original range (most of North America) and would be competing with the other 2 big predators of the continent, bear and cougars. Coyotes fill the niche of scavenger pretty well and without human population control their numbers would skyrocket.

    Also larger, passive breeds of dogs like labs would be great food for bears and cougars. I have a 110 pound lab and I really do think that her hunting ability has been bread out of her over the generations. She is fairly protective of food but she wouldn't make it long without someone pouring it into a bowl every day.

    A big threat from pigs around here is that sometimes the pigs will charge and they have learned to go between and man's legs. This way the tusks line up perfectly with the femoral arteries on both legs. If you cut both of them you would litterly bleed out in the woods in a matter of minutes.
     
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    Over here the squirrels we've got eat baby birds.

    Which is fortunate because sometimes you'll see a squirrel get too close to a birds nest then get chased off by an angry mommy or daddy.

    The mocking birds here in texas are particularly good about that.
     
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    Or see one in your pecan tree, pull off a pecan... take a few bites... drop it... get another...take a few bites...drop it....

    I have no problem with them eating my pecans, it's the waste that's irritating.
     
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    One might make the sam eguess abotu my alpha male dog, even after watching for a couple of days. But he survived for 5 years or so with no human help. But wait for a lizard or squirrel and see what happens. Her in Southern California there is nothing aside from humans, rattlesnakes and the very rare bear that would be even the slightest problem for my pair. Direct competition would be no problem if they packed up with a few more. But the other side is water would be a big problem very fast. Lots of everything here, domestic or not, plant or animal would die in a few years. But that is individuals, not species or breeds.
     
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    parts of Australia have a feral pig problem...interesting aside...pigs physiology is so close to humans that they can act as resevoirs for nasty human viruses.

    Anyway, they are called "razorbacks" here, not sure if that is uniquely Australian slang or not. And I heartily recommend the movie "razorback" if anyone wants to see a horror movie with a pig as the main villian.

    Remember the scene in Jaws where the man just slides down the shark's throat? Same thing happens in razorback.

    It's one big pig.
     
  8. Matthewj1985

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    Nope, we have a variety of pig here we call razorbacks. You really should read the part in Hitchens book about pigs, it explains the religious phobias about pigs pretty well.
     
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    Same reason for religious phobias about shellfish.

    If one eats poorly cured bacon or shellfish in a pre-refrigerated, desert environment, one will only do so briefly.
     
  10. Split Rock

    Split Rock Conflation of Blathers

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    I think you are underestimating the breeding population of domesticated dogs in the US vs. the breeding population of wolves. It would take more than a few generations to breed them out. For a long time, the hybids would be more "dog" than wolf. Also, wolves are quite restricted in their range today. I agree that this would change over time (if humans disappear), but not as rapidly as you think. I also think the domestic dog will become a better competitor in a few generations in the wild than you give it credit for.

    I give you the Dingo, as an example of what the domestic dog can become in a wild environment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo
     
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    Putting aside the question of where one sources shellfish in one's desert environment, and why fish are ok but shellfish are not, I have to say that shellfish

    ARE THE WORK OF THE DEVIL

    Actually, I extend that to any marine filter feeder. Anything that can concentrate a human virus from sea water is clear evidence of malign intelligent design
     
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    If one's desert environment is coastal, like, say, Israel, Arabia and Egypt... procurement of shellfish should not be difficult. And you ask a good question "why are fish OK, but shellfish aren't". Curing fish is much easier than curing shellfish. You can filet, dry, salt or smoke fish, but lobster, not so much.
     
  14. Matthewj1985

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    Actually trichinosis occurs just as much in cooler climates.
     
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    Sure but why then did you have many other non-Jewish settlements who did just fine eating pork and shellfish? Also why would anyone continue not eating them today?
     
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    Mockingbirds are particularly good at chasing off anything, regardless of size, that get near their nests. They're some fiesty birds.
     
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    Tribal laws aren't universal. However, I'd be prepared to put money on it that any nomadic society in a similar environment to that of the ancient Israelites has similar dietry restrictions, either as custom or law.
    Because once somethiong goes from being common sense, or law, to being "scripture", some people turn off the analytical part of their brain. To someone logically evaluating whether or not to eat pork when they get a refrigerator, its a no brainer. "Hey, I can store this meat safely now, I might try some next time I go to the shops". But if theres a rule about it in the Bible, suddenly "its from God", and to do anything contrary is sinful. Stuff actually trying to think it through or try to understand it, THE BIBLE SEZ! and thats all the understanding or contemplation I'm prepared to do on the subject. There a reams and reams of things as a society we STILL consider "immoral" for no better reason than "the Bible SEZ!" and for a great many people, actually thinking about the WHY behind Biblical or social custom is just too confronting, so they conform to it without ever thinking about it, and villify and demonise those who go against it without really understanding why.
     
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    Psudopod Godspeed, Spacebat

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    This thread is so much more interesting than it was originally intended.
     
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    I know I'm probably wasting my time here. The reason people didn't feel the need to respond to you is because the arguments you have presented have all been stated before, time and time again.
     
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    Blackrend - why does it look like Hillary is wearing a neck brace?
     
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